Comments on: There’s no crying in Kara!

By: Kattrinsaa

Kattrinsaa — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:38:57 +0000

This is soooo true. I was invited by a friend to a pug gruul run. (mistake 1) we actually got enough people, and started on time. (only miracle of the night) it took us an hour and a half before we made the first pull against HKM because it was an unexperienced group (and raid leader) that did not know the fight and there was much arguing back and forth about what strategy to use, who was tanking what, who was healing what. we got in 3 attempts at HKM and on the third one as soon as the wipe started people started bailing out of the group. not even a “sorry this won’t work gotta go” just a “… has left the raid group.”

By: Mukkejee

Mukkejee — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:35:12 +0000

Even better is when one guy begged to come to the ZA raid …. and then says in TS while we are going for a bear run that he needs to leave (after the gongs have started)

By: Raffa

Raffa — Fri, 01 Aug 2008 08:32:53 +0000

See I found the problem with new people going into old groups is the fact that the old groups will not progress. My guild was NOTORIOUS for doing such; they ran Kara, and I KID YOU NOT, FOR OVER A YEAR. You want to know why? There were never two Kara groups. They always had to ‘help out the little guy’. That’s great and all but when ‘the little guy’ takes all the time away from the guys who are trying to progress, (not to mention not good enough gear and group dynamics always new = wipe wipe wipe!) then the newcomer takes the loot, and jams, then no progression is really made whatsoever, except for said little guy. And the rest of us are left paying a HUGE repair bill and being told to ‘come back next week.’ It gets old. Especially after a year.
Understandably, it should be noted beforehand that group one is for the seasoned players and two is for the newcomers. I don’t know if you did that, but if you did, then there really should have been no reason for that guy to pull his stuff.
And in reply to Selix… a lot of us seasoned players show up on time, but if we get dragged behind by newer players, then very little progression happens for anyone. You don’t want to be stuck in Kara for over a year. Believe me.

Thankfully, I have since returned to my old guild and they ARE FINALLY progressing. They have two kara groups going and both are progressing nicely. They finally got into gruul’s and have almost cleared ZA. Me and my boyfriend were wondering if that was ever going to happen…

By: thothamon

thothamon — Thu, 29 May 2008 21:12:46 +0000

Raiding = misanthropy… I just don’t see any way around it. Dealing with other people who fail to act responsibly and reasonably is the nature of the game I suppose. If you have a good group, raid consistently, and have a good time, consider yourself blessed with the very Light of Elune. For the rest of us, we will continue to have hit and miss nights of random pugs and latecomers. Happy hunting and raid on, the loots are as epic as the fails!

By: Selix

Selix — Thu, 15 May 2008 22:44:12 +0000

Amusing and informative post — thanks!

I just joined my first raiding guild and I’m already frustrated by the late start times. I may be a newbie, but when I sign up for a raid time, I log on at least 15 minutes before the scheduled start time. I have even left IRL plans to make raids on time, because I said I would. So while I understand that even in the best groups, real life happens, I still feel pretty resentful that I’m sitting in my office chair doing no more than listening to people shoot the shit over vent, while the party I just left is still raging.

Does this make me feel somewhat entitled when the lock loot drops? It sure does. I do understand your commenters’ perspectives on, why should a newbie run away with the good loot while the dedicated guildie has to run the same instance for months. On the other hand, I might not be super-geared yet, but I’m on-time, I’m prepared, and I take the raid seriously. So yeah, I probably wouldn’t have wanted to run the Kara Group 2 either.

By: Zetlanna

Zetlanna — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:21:38 +0000

OMG

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!

Having just joined a new guild and working with a new group of ppl with little to know experience in raiding, I cannot tell you how perfectly your just said all of this. I am now going to make this a must read for anyone who wants to raid in my group. 1 if the guild doesnt like it I’m going to gquit and 2 if the person doesnt do it im gonna raidkick!!

Many thanks from the lady in the fat suit,

Zet/Kat

By: MooPew

MooPew — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 12:42:59 +0000

Man, are you in my guild?! We’re having all sorts of drama. We’ve got a very loose and sloppy structure. Start time is 8? Sure it is. Try 8:40 on a good night. I recently started leading some runs, and I explicitly state the start time and expect people to adhere. Anyway, we start ON time with the people who were there and ready to go. The run is going flawlessly. We’re a pull away from dropping the second boss on our schedule and the fun begins. Asshat logs in, bitches and says “why do I bother signing up for Kara?!” I just had to ROFL about that.

By: Gibbiex

Gibbiex — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 19:29:00 +0000

DKP guys. When you run kara for months and finally your POS bow drops, and you have 4 hunters, you need the points. Or when there are nonguildies and you, and you really want that loot, but the non-guildie-never-seen-em-before-in-my-live gets the loot, and you dont, that hurts. DKP in all 10+ man raids is the way to go. Its not that hard.
Yes, most of us are adults, but when it gets down to 2 or more people wanting the thing, you dont want to waste months on end trying to get that piece of loot you should have gotten two months ago. This happened to me twice. Those others guys? Long, long gone. Got their loot and ran. I was stuck with one kara drop out of 8 runs (or more, I can’t recall). You never know how fast your ‘tight-knit hardcore’ group will dissolve once a person gets their loot drop.

By: Macciatto and Catsmeow

Macciatto and Catsmeow — Mon, 31 Dec 2007 15:56:00 +0000

And one final bit of advice… please, please, please get your gear enchanted. If you think your gear is good enough to go into Kara with, then you should think it’s good enough for enchanting.

I am sick to death of people that turn 70, get the guild to powerlevel them through the Kara attunement, and then think that they have done their part, so when’s the raid? Huh guys? When’s the raid?

—I soooo agree! I was recently called a loot ninja (I rolled on this gear mind you) because the other person in the Kara run who also rolled on T4 gloves was rolling in half gear gear, gloves included, and thought because he still had green gear was entitled to the gloves. They weren’t enchanted, either. What you said, BBB, regarding that really struck a cord with me and it is all I can do to not post something on our guild forumm regarding this issue. Because being called a loot ninja stung, albeit far from the truth, but their sense of entitlement by just showing up and running Kara with a mostly epic geared group… the whole thing just sticks in my craw. It’s all I can do to not ream this person up one side and down the other for this and for wearing gear not really meant for his class but “because the stats are better”. What does that say about this person? They are putting absolutely no effort into playing their class well and are relying on others to get them their gear.

Tell me, is there a proper way to broach the topic within the guild or is it better to “suck it up, Sally, it isn’t affecting you”..?

Since this person doesn’t likely read these blogs, I’ll post mah name, lol.

By: HugATree

HugATree — Sat, 29 Dec 2007 20:44:00 +0000

I agree with everything above. I’d like to add one more….

Some back info… My guild has about 15 regular raiders. We have “Team A.” The other five are people who are less able to commit to regular raiding. Every once in a while we hold runs for these Team B people who are far less hard core than Team A but want to raid.

And so, I’d like to add to this list people who take a raid slot and then leave 45 minutes later. “the wifey needs me” or “I have to go pick up my bros” or “afk 20 minutes must go get my kid from his friend’s house.” The rest of the raid then stands there - and as I and the other GM start frantically looking for a fill in, we see in guild all the possible fill ins who were turned away for slots now all in heroics or have logged.

Flash forward a week to the next non-Group A run and this person is flipping his pancakes over not being brought on the run…