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		<title>By: Hass</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2007/10/17/bear-tanking-strategies-for-multiple-mobs/comment-page-1/#comment-25453</link>
		<dc:creator>Hass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 15:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a wonderful post, but tanking in general has changed.  With the invention of the new LFG system, we have the lucky tasks of being grouped with the idiots of the game.  I&#039;ve trained and taught many guildies the &quot;right&quot; way to fight - stay on target, AOE only when necessary, MSD or TOTT to me, don&#039;t stun, etc, etc.

Unfortunately, we tanks now have a new tactic we have to work through.  As soon as a pull is done, the DPS immediately begins AOEing as much as possible.  It&#039;s all a DPS race to get to #1.  If they ain&#039;t #1, they ain&#039;t no good.  So many times, I&#039;ve had mages do a flamestrike on the ground and start a blizzard even BEFORE I pull the first mob.  Threat management?  Out the door.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a wonderful post, but tanking in general has changed.  With the invention of the new LFG system, we have the lucky tasks of being grouped with the idiots of the game.  I&#8217;ve trained and taught many guildies the &#8220;right&#8221; way to fight &#8211; stay on target, AOE only when necessary, MSD or TOTT to me, don&#8217;t stun, etc, etc.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, we tanks now have a new tactic we have to work through.  As soon as a pull is done, the DPS immediately begins AOEing as much as possible.  It&#8217;s all a DPS race to get to #1.  If they ain&#8217;t #1, they ain&#8217;t no good.  So many times, I&#8217;ve had mages do a flamestrike on the ground and start a blizzard even BEFORE I pull the first mob.  Threat management?  Out the door.</p>
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		<title>By: Rollo</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2007/10/17/bear-tanking-strategies-for-multiple-mobs/comment-page-1/#comment-10590</link>
		<dc:creator>Rollo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 08:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very good article, I found it interesting, even if I&#039;m not a tank.

&quot;If you really need healing, request that the healers either use Heal Over Time spells that will tick their Threat slowly instead of in one burst, or ask that they use understrength heals to keep you going until you can get those Lacerates in solid.&quot;

A HoT generates just as much threat as a direct heal, just a little later. On the other hand, so does the healing, so I suppose a delayed direct heal is just as good as a HoT in this situation.

If time is what you&#039;re after, maybe the easiest way to communicate it to the healer is asking them to keep your health at a minimum of 60% (or 50%, or 70%, whatever seems safe) rather than at 100% until threat has been established?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good article, I found it interesting, even if I&#8217;m not a tank.</p>
<p>&#8220;If you really need healing, request that the healers either use Heal Over Time spells that will tick their Threat slowly instead of in one burst, or ask that they use understrength heals to keep you going until you can get those Lacerates in solid.&#8221;</p>
<p>A HoT generates just as much threat as a direct heal, just a little later. On the other hand, so does the healing, so I suppose a delayed direct heal is just as good as a HoT in this situation.</p>
<p>If time is what you&#8217;re after, maybe the easiest way to communicate it to the healer is asking them to keep your health at a minimum of 60% (or 50%, or 70%, whatever seems safe) rather than at 100% until threat has been established?</p>
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		<title>By: DroodTank</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2007/10/17/bear-tanking-strategies-for-multiple-mobs/comment-page-1/#comment-10195</link>
		<dc:creator>DroodTank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Rawf - One tactic I like to use in Heroic Shattered Halls:
I bring a Feral druid along as one of the DPS and they are responsible for off-tanking the larger pulls, we generally only use 1 or no cc.  This tactic has gotten me through in the time limit multiple times.  This is taxing on the healer at times, but most healers have been able to keep up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Rawf &#8211; One tactic I like to use in Heroic Shattered Halls:<br />
I bring a Feral druid along as one of the DPS and they are responsible for off-tanking the larger pulls, we generally only use 1 or no cc.  This tactic has gotten me through in the time limit multiple times.  This is taxing on the healer at times, but most healers have been able to keep up.</p>
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		<title>By: Dector</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2007/10/17/bear-tanking-strategies-for-multiple-mobs/comment-page-1/#comment-9974</link>
		<dc:creator>Dector</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 04:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rawf... I used a variation of BBB&#039;s lacerate on mouseover macro, but adjusted for swipe every time I went through H. Shatt.Halls. It puts out just enough threat on every target and keeps you with pretty much infinite rage because of all the mobs hitting you. Also don&#039;t forget thorns (and fireshield if you bring a lock).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rawf&#8230; I used a variation of BBB&#8217;s lacerate on mouseover macro, but adjusted for swipe every time I went through H. Shatt.Halls. It puts out just enough threat on every target and keeps you with pretty much infinite rage because of all the mobs hitting you. Also don&#8217;t forget thorns (and fireshield if you bring a lock).</p>
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		<title>By: Rawf</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2007/10/17/bear-tanking-strategies-for-multiple-mobs/comment-page-1/#comment-8885</link>
		<dc:creator>Rawf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 06:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey nice work, but I was just wondering about, for example, Heroic Shattered Halls. That instance has 7-mob pulls and you can probably CC only 1 or 2 of them. So how would you deal with a 5 or 6-mob elite pull? Including at least 2 ranged mobs.. I tried it and we wiped constantly until we brought in a Prot Paladin which made it 100 times easier. Still didn&#039;t make it to the end under the time limit though, /sigh. Thoughts?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey nice work, but I was just wondering about, for example, Heroic Shattered Halls. That instance has 7-mob pulls and you can probably CC only 1 or 2 of them. So how would you deal with a 5 or 6-mob elite pull? Including at least 2 ranged mobs.. I tried it and we wiped constantly until we brought in a Prot Paladin which made it 100 times easier. Still didn&#8217;t make it to the end under the time limit though, /sigh. Thoughts?</p>
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		<title>By: Kimthayil</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2007/10/17/bear-tanking-strategies-for-multiple-mobs/comment-page-1/#comment-8277</link>
		<dc:creator>Kimthayil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 17:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just want to say thanks to BBBB for posts like this and the stuff on WoWInsider. I played mostly cat up to high 60s and the whole tanking thing is new to me. Knowing  how threat works, pull tactics, etc. has been a huge help (also, I have to admit to taking a certain comfort in knowing it really ISN&#039;T my fault when a PUG of self-proclaimed l33ts keeps wiping when they insist on sheeping one target before I do anything and/or not letting me build threat...).

Thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just want to say thanks to BBBB for posts like this and the stuff on WoWInsider. I played mostly cat up to high 60s and the whole tanking thing is new to me. Knowing  how threat works, pull tactics, etc. has been a huge help (also, I have to admit to taking a certain comfort in knowing it really ISN&#8217;T my fault when a PUG of self-proclaimed l33ts keeps wiping when they insist on sheeping one target before I do anything and/or not letting me build threat&#8230;).</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Patxiton</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2007/10/17/bear-tanking-strategies-for-multiple-mobs/comment-page-1/#comment-8125</link>
		<dc:creator>Patxiton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very nice read for a new druid like me. 

Oh, and having a resto shaman, I feel like you should mention earth shield also as a good healing spell... as the &quot;frisbees&quot;, it raises your threat, not the healer&#039;s ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very nice read for a new druid like me. </p>
<p>Oh, and having a resto shaman, I feel like you should mention earth shield also as a good healing spell&#8230; as the &#8220;frisbees&#8221;, it raises your threat, not the healer&#8217;s ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Sylva&#8217;s Links For Bear Druid Cubs &#187; rob&#8217;s cryptic life</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2007/10/17/bear-tanking-strategies-for-multiple-mobs/comment-page-1/#comment-6700</link>
		<dc:creator>Sylva&#8217;s Links For Bear Druid Cubs &#187; rob&#8217;s cryptic life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 01:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] like is the Big Bear Butt Blogger who has been writing about druids for quite a while. For example, this post on multiple pull tanking is recommended reading for everyone who is a bear tank or groups with one. (And yes, I admit [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] like is the Big Bear Butt Blogger who has been writing about druids for quite a while. For example, this post on multiple pull tanking is recommended reading for everyone who is a bear tank or groups with one. (And yes, I admit [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Raejax</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raejax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 04:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just incase heres my build so u can understand why i can maul and mangle immediatley

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=0ZEhGsfboezioVxcz

Intensity and Furor are great IMO]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just incase heres my build so u can understand why i can maul and mangle immediatley</p>
<p><a href="http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=0ZEhGsfboezioVxcz" rel="nofollow">http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=0ZEhGsfboezioVxcz</a></p>
<p>Intensity and Furor are great IMO</p>
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		<title>By: Raejax</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raejax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 04:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Firstly i mark up the targets skull = kill first, x = 2nd and the other 2 marks are usually different (but ill lable them as square  = 3rd and Star = 4th) all the time but i make sure to tell them the kill order. After that when the group is ready for the pull i cast a wrath at Star and a moonfire at Square, quickly turn to bear and hit enrage, target skull and click maul so when skull comes in contact with me the maul will go off, i immediatley mangle after and move to x quickly and put 1 - 2 lacerates and wait for the mangle cooldown and burn it on x. I then target skull and maul then start tab cycling and lacerating. usually u get the feeling when u have enough aggro on the multiple mobs but 1 -2 cycles are usually enough cause by the time u do a hird skull is off on another target or dead so u should turn ur attention to skull, use the demoralising roar when needed to reduce damge done to you because rage generation should be efficiant from then on. Always keep ur eye on the target being dpsed and if u get a feeling that it is going to be pulled from u get taunt ready. usually i dont have a problem with 1 on 1 tanking and there is usually cc somewere, but just my 2 cents.

P.S(sorry if spelling is not correct
P.S.S that macro would bea great help with this cause u can keep target on skull and just cycle through targets without tabbing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Firstly i mark up the targets skull = kill first, x = 2nd and the other 2 marks are usually different (but ill lable them as square  = 3rd and Star = 4th) all the time but i make sure to tell them the kill order. After that when the group is ready for the pull i cast a wrath at Star and a moonfire at Square, quickly turn to bear and hit enrage, target skull and click maul so when skull comes in contact with me the maul will go off, i immediatley mangle after and move to x quickly and put 1 &#8211; 2 lacerates and wait for the mangle cooldown and burn it on x. I then target skull and maul then start tab cycling and lacerating. usually u get the feeling when u have enough aggro on the multiple mobs but 1 -2 cycles are usually enough cause by the time u do a hird skull is off on another target or dead so u should turn ur attention to skull, use the demoralising roar when needed to reduce damge done to you because rage generation should be efficiant from then on. Always keep ur eye on the target being dpsed and if u get a feeling that it is going to be pulled from u get taunt ready. usually i dont have a problem with 1 on 1 tanking and there is usually cc somewere, but just my 2 cents.</p>
<p>P.S(sorry if spelling is not correct<br />
P.S.S that macro would bea great help with this cause u can keep target on skull and just cycle through targets without tabbing.</p>
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