It is a fairly common political practise to take someones’ statement, and focus all of your attention on one small apragraph or section, ignoring the existence of the rest of what was said, arguing on the basis of what was taken out of context. I know some of my fellow bloggers enjoy skewering that kind of debating technique. I just think it’s funny.

What most of my other commenters seem to understand is that the vast, major, overwhelming point of the entire situation and my unhappiness with it is that, LONG before either Jay OR I were in the guild, we had been friends, from his very first level when a mutual friend introduced us, all the way to 70 and beyond.

You have never acknowledged that I made that point in your comments, and you have never made any indication that you even accept that people can have other relationships in the game except on a professional, ’services rendered, services recieved’ basis. You have based all of your comments as interpreting my unhappiness on this basis, you have framed your defense of Jaybois’ actions as a strict business proposition, that he had provided certain services and been paid accordingly, and you have repeatedly judged my unhappiness with his actions towards me and the other long-time friends of his from before he joined the guild as being selfish and not having any place in a business model.

As your position has ignored so much of the foundation of my feelings on the issue, I have simply assumed that my post was completely unclear as to why I was so hurt. Ot that perhaps the way I presented the sequence of events, in as factual a timeline as possible considering my obvious bias, gave some things more weight than I had intended or felt.

If I have somehow given you the impressions that you have carried awqay, then that is my fault through my poor writing. I apologise for misrepresenting the situation.

I hope that this topic can finally die a quiet, peaceful death, and we can all go on to playing with friends and having fun.

can I hear an Amen?

Second, if he was a loot whore that is one thing, and would have shown hit self long before he left. However, I did not get that impression from BBB’s original post. (for clarity my definition of loot whore my definition of a loot whore is when someone wants every usable please of loot without putting in a resonable effort)After reading some of his later comments that I missed the first time I realize that that may be the case. However, that doesn’t sound like that is the cause of the problem. Judging from the OP thie issue is that he left with loot, not that he wanted all of it.

Finally, I don’t know why you are calling him a guild jumper. I didn’t get that impression from the OP, plus if you look at their guild website it looks like he was there for atleast three months. That is not bad in WoW terms. During that time he got 7 pieces of loot. Not bad for 3 months but hardly extrordinary. Also, if you look you will see that quite a few other people got loot during that time and I am sure that Jayboi was involved in quite a few of those runs.

Anyway, It is quite obvious that the people here don’t agree with me. So, will stop discussing it here and cluttering up BBB’s comments section.

Once again BBB, I did not mean to offend you, and I applogize if I did.

I get what ur saying. Actually reminds me of when the Dodgers left Brooklyn. lol

Not sure why Blizzard would have came up with “Guilds” if we are all merely club members.
I think the definition of guild does apply. As Alliance players we are all currently formed to protect mutual interests and maintain standards against the Horde.
Jayboi is like a ball hog. He doesnt care about the rest of the team. He only cares about himself. That is fine. I have some across many like him before. He is a habitual guild hopper. WHen his new guild doesnt provide what he needs he will move on to the next best thing.

Bottom line, he should stick with one team and advance with them. Then again, it’s his businees right? He does pay $15 mthly to play. Just makes me qustion the character of this person in real life.
He had better never join the military with his attitude. He is the type to leave his comrades for dead.

The analogy I used in my blog was a business but I think your team analogy works as well.

Take a baseball player that has played on a midmarket team that has done well but not had huge success. If he played well for those seasons isn’t that payment enought for the things he received from the team? Isn’t it ok for that player to want to join a bigger team so that he has a shot at a championship?

Some fans will call him a traitor but think he has paid his debt.

In my interpretation of BBB post, Jayboi contributed significantly to the guild while he was in it. In fact, BBB said that he earned all of his gear. I just don’t see the problem with him moving on to a guild that is more progressed if that is his goal. Some people are fine raiding Kara, ZA, and Gruul’s week after week. Other people like myself want to try and see all the encounters.

As to your definition of a guild, I don’t think it applies. That definition is for Unions and Trade associations, which wow guilds are not. Guilds are more like a clubs.

Club: a group of persons organized for a social, literary, athletic, political, or other purpose.

Judging from some of BBB more recent comments it look like his purpose for the guild is purely social, but it also doesn’t sound like that was explicitly stated before. So, it could have been argued that the purpose of the guilds was to run early instances like Kara. To me it seems like a big misundertanding and some peoples feelings where hurt because expectations where not met.

You dont see the betrayal b/c you havent experienced it first hand.

Maybe Jayboi payed his $15 dollars a mth..maybe he didnt. That is to be seen. ;)

Just b/c we pay money every mth to play a game it doesnt negate the fact that it’s all about TEAMWORK.
No one is solo’ing Kara, ZA, Bt and so on.

If Jayboi pays his $15 a mth, is so uber leet, and is geared with no help from anyone, then I wonder why he hasnt solo’d anything. I mean, why be in a guild/team.

I simply compare it to any TEAM.
sport.

Here is the definition of the word Guild – An association of persons of the same trade or pursuits, formed to protect mutual interests and maintain standards.

Jay most certainly, did NOT maintain.

After reviewing my post and your post I realize that parts of my post may have come off harsher than I intended. I apologize and want to say that I meant no insult and I do not have a negative opinion of you, your blog, or anyone involved (except for the ninja, that was just ridiculous).

I still don’t see the betrayal, but maybe there are other issues that are hard to understand unless you are involved.

It has brought up an interesting question for me though. What do we owe our guilds? At what point is it ok to leave?

I think we have very different answers to those questions, but I think I will take it up on my blog.

I apologize again for any insult or offence that was taken from my comments. It was unintentional.

If you really did read that whole long post, and you came away with that impression of me, and that was how you interpreted what I wrote, then there really is nothing I want to say to you.

Except thank you very much for sharing. I appreciate your comments, and your opinion. I hope you have a good week.