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	<title>Comments on: Kara &#8211; it&#8217;s not just for 10 anymore</title>
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		<title>By: Big Bear Butt Blogger » Karazhan attunement to be removed</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/02/25/kara-its-not-just-for-10-anymore/comment-page-1/#comment-4336</link>
		<dc:creator>Big Bear Butt Blogger » Karazhan attunement to be removed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 21:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] that, in fact, are the hardest hit in terms of attunement are exactly the same folks that I have mentioned in a previous post this week&#8230; people that want to play the game the &#8217;straight&#8217; way, facing challenges [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] that, in fact, are the hardest hit in terms of attunement are exactly the same folks that I have mentioned in a previous post this week&#8230; people that want to play the game the &#8217;straight&#8217; way, facing challenges [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Vishero</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/02/25/kara-its-not-just-for-10-anymore/comment-page-1/#comment-4275</link>
		<dc:creator>Vishero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 02:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OMG...BBR FTW!!! This post rocks. I recently changed to resto druid before and had never, ever healed anything group thing, not even questing. I am at the point now where I can solo heal a solid 5 man ramps without wiping once, as a level 61. Give us a chance to get there and we can show you that we belong there!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG&#8230;BBR FTW!!! This post rocks. I recently changed to resto druid before and had never, ever healed anything group thing, not even questing. I am at the point now where I can solo heal a solid 5 man ramps without wiping once, as a level 61. Give us a chance to get there and we can show you that we belong there!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/02/25/kara-its-not-just-for-10-anymore/comment-page-1/#comment-4271</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 21:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah I faced that curator bug, pretty frustrating.  We decided to stop kara for the week, not realizing we could somehow defeat the bugged arcanes.  Our GL/RL/MT&#039;s attitude is that if we dont have 10 people of the right type/gear then we aren&#039;t doing kara.  Of course since we don&#039;t have a sign up it leads to chaos, usually on Tues we are overflowing with people and every other night we can&#039;t get a run together.  That&#039;s the main reason I quit the guild and moved to a highly organized guild who clears kara in four hours.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah I faced that curator bug, pretty frustrating.  We decided to stop kara for the week, not realizing we could somehow defeat the bugged arcanes.  Our GL/RL/MT&#8217;s attitude is that if we dont have 10 people of the right type/gear then we aren&#8217;t doing kara.  Of course since we don&#8217;t have a sign up it leads to chaos, usually on Tues we are overflowing with people and every other night we can&#8217;t get a run together.  That&#8217;s the main reason I quit the guild and moved to a highly organized guild who clears kara in four hours.</p>
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		<title>By: Asara</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/02/25/kara-its-not-just-for-10-anymore/comment-page-1/#comment-4259</link>
		<dc:creator>Asara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 11:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This reminds me of the time we tried TK with no mages.  It was an unmitigated disaster, but I was proud of my guild that we at least tried.  I believe that was the night we downed Mag for the first time, which was awesome for us as a rebound from multiple wipes on the first trash pull in TK.  We&#039;ve never tried Kara with less than 10 people before, but it&#039;s good to know that it can be done!  I will remember this in the future, to be sure.  Many kudos to you!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This reminds me of the time we tried TK with no mages.  It was an unmitigated disaster, but I was proud of my guild that we at least tried.  I believe that was the night we downed Mag for the first time, which was awesome for us as a rebound from multiple wipes on the first trash pull in TK.  We&#8217;ve never tried Kara with less than 10 people before, but it&#8217;s good to know that it can be done!  I will remember this in the future, to be sure.  Many kudos to you!</p>
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		<title>By: smallferret</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/02/25/kara-its-not-just-for-10-anymore/comment-page-1/#comment-4256</link>
		<dc:creator>smallferret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 04:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of the more insane things I&#039;ve ever done in wow was 13-manning 2 ZG bosses and the first in AQ20.  Actually we had 12 60s and a 58.  We were all fresh 60s and half in greens--mostly we weren&#039;t even in UBRS blues.  But everyone knew what they were doing, listened to the leaders, and got them down.
Gear, spec, and experience matter much less than skill and a willingness to listen.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the more insane things I&#8217;ve ever done in wow was 13-manning 2 ZG bosses and the first in AQ20.  Actually we had 12 60s and a 58.  We were all fresh 60s and half in greens&#8211;mostly we weren&#8217;t even in UBRS blues.  But everyone knew what they were doing, listened to the leaders, and got them down.<br />
Gear, spec, and experience matter much less than skill and a willingness to listen.</p>
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		<title>By: Kobay</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/02/25/kara-its-not-just-for-10-anymore/comment-page-1/#comment-4255</link>
		<dc:creator>Kobay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 03:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Couldn&#039;t agree more with your mini-rant, especially since I am in a similar boat. I&#039;m in a large guild which has 2 groups farming Kara. I&#039;ve been keyed for a month, but can&#039;t get my paw in the door.

I work from 4pm to 10pm or later, 6 nights a week. On top of that, my wife plays the game but doesn&#039;t raid, and a good chunk of my game time is spent helping her level her hunter. (and I do mean good, I love playing with her)

I&#039;ve tried to get a late night group going, but for the last two weeks by the time I come on our first team has already done their time and group two is in the middle of a run. Nobody left to play with me. :-(

On top of that, my GM has started putting groups for 25 mans together while I&#039;m at work.

Ok, now I got off on a rant. My point is, it&#039;s good to know I&#039;m not the only player whose progress is hampered by time rather than gear/skill.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couldn&#8217;t agree more with your mini-rant, especially since I am in a similar boat. I&#8217;m in a large guild which has 2 groups farming Kara. I&#8217;ve been keyed for a month, but can&#8217;t get my paw in the door.</p>
<p>I work from 4pm to 10pm or later, 6 nights a week. On top of that, my wife plays the game but doesn&#8217;t raid, and a good chunk of my game time is spent helping her level her hunter. (and I do mean good, I love playing with her)</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve tried to get a late night group going, but for the last two weeks by the time I come on our first team has already done their time and group two is in the middle of a run. Nobody left to play with me. :-(</p>
<p>On top of that, my GM has started putting groups for 25 mans together while I&#8217;m at work.</p>
<p>Ok, now I got off on a rant. My point is, it&#8217;s good to know I&#8217;m not the only player whose progress is hampered by time rather than gear/skill.</p>
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		<title>By: Ngita</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ngita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 01:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We had massive issues with that at the start.

Ok we have 25 people for kara but only 4 tanks and 3 are locked to 1 run and 5 healers and 4 of those are locked too the other run....

Wasnt really resolved till both groups could clear to prince in a single run plus kara capable alts.

If you know for a fact you wont kill before aran runs out of mana dont try. Kill the elementals and have everybody with a pot or healthstone ready]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We had massive issues with that at the start.</p>
<p>Ok we have 25 people for kara but only 4 tanks and 3 are locked to 1 run and 5 healers and 4 of those are locked too the other run&#8230;.</p>
<p>Wasnt really resolved till both groups could clear to prince in a single run plus kara capable alts.</p>
<p>If you know for a fact you wont kill before aran runs out of mana dont try. Kill the elementals and have everybody with a pot or healthstone ready</p>
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		<title>By: Pesce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pesce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great article and you are absolutely right; there is always a 1st time for everyone. Kara isn&#039;t all that difficult and if you explain the fights right to new folks it usually goes off well. You may wipe once, but after that the trick is obvious. This past weekend we Two Shot Curator and One Shot Shade with 5 players who have never done Kara before. I was worried about Shade, especially with the Flame Wreath, but the new folks listened well and pulled it off flawlessly. Kudos to you for barking, err growling, at idiots who look at others as inferrior.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article and you are absolutely right; there is always a 1st time for everyone. Kara isn&#8217;t all that difficult and if you explain the fights right to new folks it usually goes off well. You may wipe once, but after that the trick is obvious. This past weekend we Two Shot Curator and One Shot Shade with 5 players who have never done Kara before. I was worried about Shade, especially with the Flame Wreath, but the new folks listened well and pulled it off flawlessly. Kudos to you for barking, err growling, at idiots who look at others as inferrior.</p>
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		<title>By: Quincey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quincey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nice Vid ^.^

But i wanted to say how much i agree with your mini rant at the top of the page :) i have a story myself about a guild mate that performed better than anyone could have expected.

I am in a SSC / TK raiding guild, i consider myself to be a fairly decent raider, usually picking boss fights up within an attempt or 2. I play as an &quot;Elder&quot; in my guild, basicly meaning i look after the newer members, making sure they have a smooth transistion from thier old guilds style into our own, and answering any questions they may have.

I was recently assigned a new trial member, Avantis of Eonar EU, and i have to admit i was scared shitless when he told me that he had never evan done a 10 man before and we were pitting him against Leotharass the blind. However to my ABSOLUTE amasement he listened, asked in /w what he didnt understand, did what he was told and in the end was part of our very first guild kill, himself performing to a degree of exellence that i have only to expect of our most seasoned raiders and has continued to perform to a high standard from then on. An easy job for me that evening ^.^ and quite a little + next to my own name as an elder.

It just goes to show that you can never judge a raider by his experiance, and that evan the most seemingly unworthy may just suprise you a little ^.^

P.S - loving your new website B, might have to look into sorting myself out my own domain  :D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice Vid ^.^</p>
<p>But i wanted to say how much i agree with your mini rant at the top of the page :) i have a story myself about a guild mate that performed better than anyone could have expected.</p>
<p>I am in a SSC / TK raiding guild, i consider myself to be a fairly decent raider, usually picking boss fights up within an attempt or 2. I play as an &#8220;Elder&#8221; in my guild, basicly meaning i look after the newer members, making sure they have a smooth transistion from thier old guilds style into our own, and answering any questions they may have.</p>
<p>I was recently assigned a new trial member, Avantis of Eonar EU, and i have to admit i was scared shitless when he told me that he had never evan done a 10 man before and we were pitting him against Leotharass the blind. However to my ABSOLUTE amasement he listened, asked in /w what he didnt understand, did what he was told and in the end was part of our very first guild kill, himself performing to a degree of exellence that i have only to expect of our most seasoned raiders and has continued to perform to a high standard from then on. An easy job for me that evening ^.^ and quite a little + next to my own name as an elder.</p>
<p>It just goes to show that you can never judge a raider by his experiance, and that evan the most seemingly unworthy may just suprise you a little ^.^</p>
<p>P.S &#8211; loving your new website B, might have to look into sorting myself out my own domain  :D</p>
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		<title>By: Messyah</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/02/25/kara-its-not-just-for-10-anymore/comment-page-1/#comment-4241</link>
		<dc:creator>Messyah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah man, great job. There is a big difference between good geared players and good playing players. We had a warlock that was out on hiatus for a while who just recently had returned in greens abd blues and he raped some of our super-geared people on DPS.

Know your t00n!

Btw, I am now on a new server, in a new guild and we just downed Lurker and Tidewalker in SSC. It was awesome. We had 9 DPSers hitting past the 1200 mark on the Lurker fight. Plus, this guild respects me as a DPSer when I am not needed for tanking. I may not be hitting 1200, but I am at a steady 700+

BBB - In honor of Ferals everywhere, I topped our guild rogues in damage and kills in our Premade BGs all this week... though one of my old guildies transferred over and he beat me last night. (Which is what I expected since he is a certified BAD A$$!!!!) - This helped me ear respect as a viable DPSer... and when the patch comes out and undead and robots will bleed, watch out bitches! Muwahahahaaaaaaaaa!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah man, great job. There is a big difference between good geared players and good playing players. We had a warlock that was out on hiatus for a while who just recently had returned in greens abd blues and he raped some of our super-geared people on DPS.</p>
<p>Know your t00n!</p>
<p>Btw, I am now on a new server, in a new guild and we just downed Lurker and Tidewalker in SSC. It was awesome. We had 9 DPSers hitting past the 1200 mark on the Lurker fight. Plus, this guild respects me as a DPSer when I am not needed for tanking. I may not be hitting 1200, but I am at a steady 700+</p>
<p>BBB &#8211; In honor of Ferals everywhere, I topped our guild rogues in damage and kills in our Premade BGs all this week&#8230; though one of my old guildies transferred over and he beat me last night. (Which is what I expected since he is a certified BAD A$$!!!!) &#8211; This helped me ear respect as a viable DPSer&#8230; and when the patch comes out and undead and robots will bleed, watch out bitches! Muwahahahaaaaaaaaa!</p>
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