After thinking about it, I guess the other hybrids could *technically* fill all four of those roles, if you account for a tanking Shammy or even a Pally who did nothing but Holy Shock. Far be it from me to exclude any innovative Shammies and Pallies out there. After all, Panzerkin tanking seems kinda cool in its own way.

But, druids are the only ones who are generally accepted in all four roles, even at high levels.

My husband and I were just discussing this last night. Druids are the only class that can fill all 4 traditional roles (tank, healer, melee DPS, ranged DPS), so it would definitely be cool to try. However, unless they were all WAY overgeared, I’m guessing there are some fights that just wouldn’t work. First one that came to mind was Maiden: no dispeller for Holy Fire. (Of course, she is optional…)

It would be so fun to be part of an all-druid Kara though, just to see how far it would get.

And Novo, I believe I have seen the erroneous 60 value somewhere in Elitist Jerks, but I do not have time just this second to go see if I can figure out where.

As you may nkow, Elitist Jerks are some of the best and brightest, and the general assumption is 100% of everything there is gold.

I think if I remember right, I saw that one adding error in one post there, made a mental note, double checked my calculations, said “Wow, I never expected to see that” and moved on.

I also know I’ve seen it correct over there, too.

‘d imagine whereever you saw the 60 posted was just someone that took what they saw there and didn’t check.

Or… hell, I’m guessing here. Go with the 59, though.

I’d like to apply to be part of the hardcore-druid-tank-circle. Where can I find that app? :-)

Has anyone ever done any full-druid-Kara raids? Hm.

Anyway: /happydance!

In Rawr, and from your calculations, I get that I’m 1 point under the Def. Cap, at 414 (401 def + 22 res).

Using the in-game macro that Karlenn posted, I get a negative number — ie. that I am fine as far as the Def. Cap goes.

From what I can tell, this difference comes from two different values being used for the DR:Res equivalences. I’ve seen it stated two ways — first being the 59:39.4 ratio that you give, and second being a 60:39.4 ratio which seems to mirror the in-game macro.

Any idea on where these different numbers come from, and which one is accurate? I suppose I could try it in a raid and see if I get any crits on me, but I’d rather not put my healers through that ;-)

You said you have to have 415 defense to be immune to critts. Ok, then the formula will look like:

415 = (x * 0.423) + 350; x is defense rating

x = z * 1.497; z is resilience rating

If you insert the second formula into the first one it looks like:

415 = (z * 1.497 x 0.423) + 350

Now, if you work on this a little you get:

z = … = 102.7

I.e. you need a resilience rating of 103 to be immune to critts.

Now, if you have a look at what is available on PvP gear that has not only resilience rating, but also some other nice stats, there should be a way to get the 103 Resilience without much of a loss on other stats.

This might be a good alternative to raiding and still get very good tanking gear.

However, as said before, I do not play a warrior nor a druid and therfore have no clue whether this is working or not…

As nice as that macro is, remember that it tests your currently equipped status. If you are unsure as to where you’re at, that is good to give you a flat yes/no, but it doesn’t give you results you can interpret as to HOW FAR over or under the cap you are.

Using Rawr, or using the raw math, you can plan in advance, and you can see how far over or under you are, and you can change things accordingly.

With the wealth of Defense Rating and Resilience on items and gems and enchants and Glyphs and such, we have a lot of options to mix and match. It pays to plan ahead :)

That said… everyone that tanks should read about Defense and understand how the combat system works.