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	<title>Comments on: Team Sneaky downs Heroic Underbog!</title>
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		<title>By: Akkila</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/04/30/team-sneaky-downs-heroic-underbog/comment-page-1/#comment-6226</link>
		<dc:creator>Akkila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 15:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I ussualy do daylie heroic marathons each day or so (ez ones: mech,ub,sp,durn,bm,sethek,ramps,bf,bot and magisters) these instances are pretty easy and you can get alot of good badges from them. For heroic beginners i say sp,mech and ramps are yer choices. It is possible to stealth run through all those, but whats the fun in that? :P
@Kerrak it is possible to one man ony(for a druid), ye just have to have maxxed out Fire resistance for the guardians and alot of pots for the ony fight, just be prepared to spend about half an hour in there</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I ussualy do daylie heroic marathons each day or so (ez ones: mech,ub,sp,durn,bm,sethek,ramps,bf,bot and magisters) these instances are pretty easy and you can get alot of good badges from them. For heroic beginners i say sp,mech and ramps are yer choices. It is possible to stealth run through all those, but whats the fun in that? :P<br />
@Kerrak it is possible to one man ony(for a druid), ye just have to have maxxed out Fire resistance for the guardians and alot of pots for the ony fight, just be prepared to spend about half an hour in there</p>
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		<title>By: Kerrak</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/04/30/team-sneaky-downs-heroic-underbog/comment-page-1/#comment-5834</link>
		<dc:creator>Kerrak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 16:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve done the heroic SP stealth run with 3 people up to the last boss. Myself a druid tank, tree, and a combat rogue. The tree was sitting on a about 1100+ healing and the rogue is in kara/badge/pvp epics. I&#039;m sitting on only badge loot and and pvp epics for tanking. We cleared the first boss with out and wipes and the second boss was downed after 1 wipe. It took us 3 tries for the final boss and we had to grab another rogue for some extra dps. I think we could have 3 manned it, but mana could have been and issue. 
Big tip on the last boss. Growl when he starts his acid/poison spit thing. Usually he targets someone other than the tank and starts in. If you taunt him on you he will turn around and you take the damage. You&#039;ll know when he&#039;s getting ready to do it because he will target another member. I was waiting until the said to taunt due to the fact i was hulled up inside my bear and couldn&#039;t see anything but the bosses feet. 
H. Ramps is also something you can stealth run if you use a rogue to distract groups. That is definatly 3-4 manned. 
As you said Sethikk is, along with UB if you play your cards right. 
Arc is set up so you could, But i wouldn&#039;t reccomend it. Boss fights there are way to reliant on moving around for you not to pull extra. 

As a side thing, a holy pally and I are going to try to 2 man Ony. The lowest amount of people i&#039;ve done it on was 8. I&#039;m not sure if were geared enough to 2 man it though. He&#039;s still in greens, but he&#039;s gotta be the most amazing healer.
I&#039;ll update you when we try though. Anyone else underman Ony successfully?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve done the heroic SP stealth run with 3 people up to the last boss. Myself a druid tank, tree, and a combat rogue. The tree was sitting on a about 1100+ healing and the rogue is in kara/badge/pvp epics. I&#8217;m sitting on only badge loot and and pvp epics for tanking. We cleared the first boss with out and wipes and the second boss was downed after 1 wipe. It took us 3 tries for the final boss and we had to grab another rogue for some extra dps. I think we could have 3 manned it, but mana could have been and issue.<br />
Big tip on the last boss. Growl when he starts his acid/poison spit thing. Usually he targets someone other than the tank and starts in. If you taunt him on you he will turn around and you take the damage. You&#8217;ll know when he&#8217;s getting ready to do it because he will target another member. I was waiting until the said to taunt due to the fact i was hulled up inside my bear and couldn&#8217;t see anything but the bosses feet.<br />
H. Ramps is also something you can stealth run if you use a rogue to distract groups. That is definatly 3-4 manned.<br />
As you said Sethikk is, along with UB if you play your cards right.<br />
Arc is set up so you could, But i wouldn&#8217;t reccomend it. Boss fights there are way to reliant on moving around for you not to pull extra. </p>
<p>As a side thing, a holy pally and I are going to try to 2 man Ony. The lowest amount of people i&#8217;ve done it on was 8. I&#8217;m not sure if were geared enough to 2 man it though. He&#8217;s still in greens, but he&#8217;s gotta be the most amazing healer.<br />
I&#8217;ll update you when we try though. Anyone else underman Ony successfully?</p>
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		<title>By: Clem</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/04/30/team-sneaky-downs-heroic-underbog/comment-page-1/#comment-5832</link>
		<dc:creator>Clem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 15:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish I was on your server. I&#039;d pitch in on a &quot;Sneaky Assult&quot; in a hearbeat.</description>
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		<title>By: Barona</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/04/30/team-sneaky-downs-heroic-underbog/comment-page-1/#comment-5819</link>
		<dc:creator>Barona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 13:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heroic Slave Pens with a Stealth Group is Epic Win! We have a guild group of druids/rogues which downs all the bosses with regularity in about 20 minutes (not saying to epeen... trying to be descriptive here!).

There is a video out there which shows how to do it (and behind a firewall so I cannot link it from work, sorry!), but an explaination is just as easy.

Stealth through the slaves and set up on the lakeside near the two Defenders (see through stealth) guarding the &quot;tunnel&quot; to the first boss. Pull both over to the lakeside and take them down there. You can pull the first boss back into the tunnel and fight him there if you are careful and not have to kill any more trash. 

Stealth up the ramps to the top. There is a method where you can jump down and avoid the patrolling Defenders, but we usually find it easier to just take out the patrol from the top of the ramp, keeping out of aggro range of the other mobs. Then jump down into the pool as usual.

Continue in stealth to the Huge Freaking Lobster and set up shop in the back of his little alcove. You can take him down there without any non-boss aggro issues.

Stealth up again and follow the left hand wall. There is a Defender Patrol here that has to be carefully snuck past, but it is do-able. And resist the temptation... DO NOT MINE THE RICH ADAMANTITE NODE! :-)

Head to the back of Quag&#039;s pool along the side shore and fight him there. This is really the only &quot;hard&quot; fight for a Tree since the Poison Spit means they (me) are Whack-A-Mole&#039;ing the entire time while keeping up Lifebloom/Rejuv/Swiftment on the tank. But if they can manage Anzu, they can manage this.

Slam, bam, thank you Jaina Proudmoore. 3 badges (5 with the quest) and phat lewt (Epic Leather dps pants drop off of Quag which pretty much everyone in a Stealth Group wants) with &quot;minimal&quot; effort. Sure new folks are not going to get their Earthwarden very quickly that way, but it is quite fun to leave all the trash mobs going &quot;where did all our bosses go?&quot;

Think of it as a quick way to incite a Slave Revolution!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heroic Slave Pens with a Stealth Group is Epic Win! We have a guild group of druids/rogues which downs all the bosses with regularity in about 20 minutes (not saying to epeen&#8230; trying to be descriptive here!).</p>
<p>There is a video out there which shows how to do it (and behind a firewall so I cannot link it from work, sorry!), but an explaination is just as easy.</p>
<p>Stealth through the slaves and set up on the lakeside near the two Defenders (see through stealth) guarding the &#8220;tunnel&#8221; to the first boss. Pull both over to the lakeside and take them down there. You can pull the first boss back into the tunnel and fight him there if you are careful and not have to kill any more trash. </p>
<p>Stealth up the ramps to the top. There is a method where you can jump down and avoid the patrolling Defenders, but we usually find it easier to just take out the patrol from the top of the ramp, keeping out of aggro range of the other mobs. Then jump down into the pool as usual.</p>
<p>Continue in stealth to the Huge Freaking Lobster and set up shop in the back of his little alcove. You can take him down there without any non-boss aggro issues.</p>
<p>Stealth up again and follow the left hand wall. There is a Defender Patrol here that has to be carefully snuck past, but it is do-able. And resist the temptation&#8230; DO NOT MINE THE RICH ADAMANTITE NODE! :-)</p>
<p>Head to the back of Quag&#8217;s pool along the side shore and fight him there. This is really the only &#8220;hard&#8221; fight for a Tree since the Poison Spit means they (me) are Whack-A-Mole&#8217;ing the entire time while keeping up Lifebloom/Rejuv/Swiftment on the tank. But if they can manage Anzu, they can manage this.</p>
<p>Slam, bam, thank you Jaina Proudmoore. 3 badges (5 with the quest) and phat lewt (Epic Leather dps pants drop off of Quag which pretty much everyone in a Stealth Group wants) with &#8220;minimal&#8221; effort. Sure new folks are not going to get their Earthwarden very quickly that way, but it is quite fun to leave all the trash mobs going &#8220;where did all our bosses go?&#8221;</p>
<p>Think of it as a quick way to incite a Slave Revolution!</p>
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		<title>By: Kheldar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kheldar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 09:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nice post BBB.

not personally done hUB yet but must give it a try as we are trying to gear ourselves up a bit with some badge rewards and have recently struggled with SV/Arca.

Not sure about heroics that can be stealthed.

we (that is a priest and I) run SP a lot as its a heroic we find reasonably straight forward. we avoid some mobs for a faster run. 

the main issue in SP is the Defenders iirc - they cannot be cc&#039;d in anyway ? so i end up tanking 2 which is not a problem. the bosses seem quite straightforward.

never run any with 3 druids...although we do run with 2 sometimes as my priest friend has a feral to and will bring it if some healer we know is online and wants to come along with us.  2 tanks does make for easier heroics at times....especially as cc in heroics seems a little less reliable...esp in our experience so far sapping ?  they seem to resist it more often ?  mage cc seems the best.

GL in SP.

we&#039;re also new to heroics and to date only have 3 we can do without an issue are SP / Ramp and Mech.

UB is our next and then i want to learn/do  SV or Arca (first boss here is a pain, at least so far for us!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nice post BBB.</p>
<p>not personally done hUB yet but must give it a try as we are trying to gear ourselves up a bit with some badge rewards and have recently struggled with SV/Arca.</p>
<p>Not sure about heroics that can be stealthed.</p>
<p>we (that is a priest and I) run SP a lot as its a heroic we find reasonably straight forward. we avoid some mobs for a faster run. </p>
<p>the main issue in SP is the Defenders iirc &#8211; they cannot be cc&#8217;d in anyway ? so i end up tanking 2 which is not a problem. the bosses seem quite straightforward.</p>
<p>never run any with 3 druids&#8230;although we do run with 2 sometimes as my priest friend has a feral to and will bring it if some healer we know is online and wants to come along with us.  2 tanks does make for easier heroics at times&#8230;.especially as cc in heroics seems a little less reliable&#8230;esp in our experience so far sapping ?  they seem to resist it more often ?  mage cc seems the best.</p>
<p>GL in SP.</p>
<p>we&#8217;re also new to heroics and to date only have 3 we can do without an issue are SP / Ramp and Mech.</p>
<p>UB is our next and then i want to learn/do  SV or Arca (first boss here is a pain, at least so far for us!)</p>
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		<title>By: Uzinvi</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/04/30/team-sneaky-downs-heroic-underbog/comment-page-1/#comment-5804</link>
		<dc:creator>Uzinvi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 22:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hehe, I saw you guys in there on my lowly mage and decided not to whisper to say hi.  Good thing I didn&#039;t interupt &quot;Team Sneaky&quot; :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hehe, I saw you guys in there on my lowly mage and decided not to whisper to say hi.  Good thing I didn&#8217;t interupt &#8220;Team Sneaky&#8221; :P</p>
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		<title>By: Adonik</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/04/30/team-sneaky-downs-heroic-underbog/comment-page-1/#comment-5780</link>
		<dc:creator>Adonik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Definitely looks like a Good Omen for the Devils in weeks to come!</description>
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		<title>By: eustashius</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/04/30/team-sneaky-downs-heroic-underbog/comment-page-1/#comment-5763</link>
		<dc:creator>eustashius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too fun!  Can&#039;t wait :-)...</description>
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		<title>By: Dionket</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dionket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My first Heroic, my first Badge of Justice, and my first run with new guild. Boy, did I make the right choice to transfer! :)</description>
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		<title>By: bigbearbutt</title>
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		<dc:creator>bigbearbutt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahhh, but you DID come up with it...

Dammerung logged into the game last night, asked how the run was going, and you replied &#039;Team Sneaky is doing well....&#039;

See? I pay attention to some of these things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahhh, but you DID come up with it&#8230;</p>
<p>Dammerung logged into the game last night, asked how the run was going, and you replied &#8216;Team Sneaky is doing well&#8230;.&#8217;</p>
<p>See? I pay attention to some of these things.</p>
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