~ding0
*People with legitimate concerns that maybe our class/spec combo needs a slight buff.
**It is, trust me, I was there.

Leaving out Master Shapeshifter, that’s 17 Talent points of new Talents…

And there’s only 10 “new levels” – so 10 Talent points to spend…

What I see in those talents is a move towards dividing the Bears and Kitties a little more.

Some of them are directed purely towards “better Tanking” (Reinforced Hide, in particular), others are towards “more DPS” (Primal Aggression and Primal Precision), whilst others are more “Feral Utility” Talents…

I can’t get to any of the links to see what the trees look like, but it will be interesting to see where they end up in the Talent Tree (and if they have a split at the top end of the Feral Tree where only one of the “best” Talents can be taken). At the moment, we have the “41 point talents” – Mangle, Tree of Life, Force of Nature – I’d been assuming we end up with 3 new 51 point Talents in WotLK – but maybe there will be two paths in each Spec…

I’m assuming Beserk is the 51 point Feral Talent…

I’m currently Feral 0/47/14 (http://anachronos-eu.warcrafter.net/Stobnor) – Furor 5/5, Naturalist 5/5, Omen of Clarity 1/1 and Intensity 3/3 in the Resto Tree.

Interesting times…

yeah thats about my one main niggle atm doing a lot of dailies in cat form to – pulling a mob with FFF and then some else comes along and decided to nick it out from under me with a damage dealing pull. :(

Basically it is a rogues cripple + mind numbing poison in one. Which sounds fantastic – but for pve really isnt so. As a rogue player as well I have found that most elite mobs (especially bosses) are immune to mind numbing effects and so I am dubious as to its use in PvE. What poisons do rogue’s use in PvE – deadly and/or instant – and this is neither – it does no additional damage and hence for such a deep talent I feel it is worthless.

What were your thoughts on it?

If you play with the current iteration of the tree, I’m finding it difficult to get everything I feel is critical in Feral, AND get Master Shapeshifter.

Most other classes have had to accept trade offs to get an effective spec. Feral druids have had it fairly easy. As things stand, if you are weak in +Def and need to put full points in, that can be a pain. Which, as Mithral said, means choices.

And yes, I damn well agree. Having choices in MMOs, and goals to work towards, is a good thing.

This makes gearing a bear tank for entry-level raids much easier, as you would just need to get lots of Stam/Armor/Dodge, as opposed to needing to hit some ‘magic’ number of defense to stay uncrittable.

Also, if you do get +Def gear, you can pull some talent points OUT of SotF and use them someplace else. Having choices in MMOs is a good thing.

Player X: LFG channel “Need 1M dps for Heroic Daily, pst me”
Me: “I’ll dps for you”
Player X: “sorry was looking for CC”

The change i’m most excited about in WoTLK is:

“Entangling Roots can now be used indoors as well.”

That was on elitist jerks today, quoted from the Blizzcon thread.

I think cat druids just went from the last class anyone wanted for dps in a 5 man, to probably the first class people want for dps in a 5 man. Off-healing, Leader of the Pack, Improved Leader of the pack, Battle-Rez, Mangle for bleeds and now a truly viable form of CC. I pray that change makes it into WoTLK.

I can’t wait to hit the LFG channel in WoTLK if that happens.