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		<title>By: Aug</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/05/24/tales-from-the-dark-side/comment-page-1/#comment-6725</link>
		<dc:creator>Aug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 19:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anna&#039;s right - it may be fairly common practice for groups to use more CC early in their Kara progression, and more AOE later as their gear lets them survive it.  If you had been with a group that was new to Kara, I bet you would have had lots of CC duty.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anna&#8217;s right &#8211; it may be fairly common practice for groups to use more CC early in their Kara progression, and more AOE later as their gear lets them survive it.  If you had been with a group that was new to Kara, I bet you would have had lots of CC duty.</p>
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		<title>By: Rastabooty</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/05/24/tales-from-the-dark-side/comment-page-1/#comment-6530</link>
		<dc:creator>Rastabooty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 15:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just did my first Kara run this weekend (Feral Druid) I was the OT for the run and we had a pally MT.  He held aggro like a true champion.  The problem I found was that if I didn&#039;t shout at the X mark to get his attention, I would have to fight the whole pull with very little rage.  I need someone to hit me to build rage and this pally was so good at holding aggro, that the only way I could seem to pull aggro off of him was to use a growl early on so I would have enough rage to mangle and lacerate my X.  On a side note, I think I was extremely lucky on drops, got the staff off of illhoof (i just love the graphics) and also the kitty treads from a trash mob.  First run, big fun, super hectic, a little overwhelming, but i cant wait for next Sunday.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just did my first Kara run this weekend (Feral Druid) I was the OT for the run and we had a pally MT.  He held aggro like a true champion.  The problem I found was that if I didn&#8217;t shout at the X mark to get his attention, I would have to fight the whole pull with very little rage.  I need someone to hit me to build rage and this pally was so good at holding aggro, that the only way I could seem to pull aggro off of him was to use a growl early on so I would have enough rage to mangle and lacerate my X.  On a side note, I think I was extremely lucky on drops, got the staff off of illhoof (i just love the graphics) and also the kitty treads from a trash mob.  First run, big fun, super hectic, a little overwhelming, but i cant wait for next Sunday.</p>
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		<title>By: Irv</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/05/24/tales-from-the-dark-side/comment-page-1/#comment-6497</link>
		<dc:creator>Irv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 19:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey wind tell that hunter to do some arena and get the 1000 point ( should take about a month if the team is sub 1500) http://www.wowhead.com/?item=34014]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey wind tell that hunter to do some arena and get the 1000 point ( should take about a month if the team is sub 1500) <a href="http://www.wowhead.com/?item=34014" rel="nofollow">http://www.wowhead.com/?item=34014</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/05/24/tales-from-the-dark-side/comment-page-1/#comment-6496</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 19:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a dpser, I ran kara until twice exalted with a paly MT.  Super easy mode (except the very long time between pulls).  Then I joined my &#039;serious&#039; raiding guild and ran it with a warrior.  Huge difference!  I was pulling aggro left and right.  It was a bad night.  I did get better though, pretty quickly.  Pretty much the only issue is that to make sure you have omen and the warning bell setup.  (also make sure you have the FD resist bell).  Wait a few seconds before threat generation (dps).  That&#039;s it.  I think playing with a warrior makes you much more careful in the raid and more focused on everything.  As opposed to paly MTing, where if there&#039;s a oh shit moment, the paly will just pick those 2 or 3 or 10 more adds.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a dpser, I ran kara until twice exalted with a paly MT.  Super easy mode (except the very long time between pulls).  Then I joined my &#8216;serious&#8217; raiding guild and ran it with a warrior.  Huge difference!  I was pulling aggro left and right.  It was a bad night.  I did get better though, pretty quickly.  Pretty much the only issue is that to make sure you have omen and the warning bell setup.  (also make sure you have the FD resist bell).  Wait a few seconds before threat generation (dps).  That&#8217;s it.  I think playing with a warrior makes you much more careful in the raid and more focused on everything.  As opposed to paly MTing, where if there&#8217;s a oh shit moment, the paly will just pick those 2 or 3 or 10 more adds.</p>
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		<title>By: Kikidas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kikidas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 14:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Our guild recently went back into Kara after a guild explosion. The guild explosion happened after a &#039;setback&#039; in Karazhan, where they were clearing relatively regularly to Prince in two or three days, to suddenly wiping on Curator or Shade every time. 

Lots of people left, it was like the Exodus. So in terms of what you ask above? Can it cause issues where people feel frustrated with a setback? Oh heck yes. It&#039;s why if we have a bad week in Karazhan, we actually have a place on our guild forums where everyone posts what went wrong and what to fix it. We don&#039;t keep silent about it to save people&#039;s feelings, since saving one person&#039;s feelings on what they did wrong winds up hurting 9 other people. 

However, what it (guild blowup) did was let us rework our Karazhan runs and get some people in who deserved to be in there versus those who were going as body-spots. (Ooh, ooh, need a spot to fill up. Let&#039;s grab Newb-70! They don&#039;t need the key anymore!)

So, with few exceptions, our two tanks for Karazhan have been usually one of these rotations (given that we have only four tanks in our guild) 
Paladin Warrior
Paladin Druid
(The warrior druid combo isn&#039;t run often (actually, never that I can recall) due to my guild being one of the only guilds in existence that is SHORT on DPS consistently and our warrior doubles as a warlock. And I obviously double as a druid tank or a warlock (or a healer), so if both of us were tanking, suddenly we&#039;d be without a lot of DPS and the ability to do Illhoof.)

And since our change up and a change of tanks, we&#039;ve been doing Attumen to Prince in about 3.5 hours. This includes Illhoof but is minus the dragons. 

We do still use shackle on some of the big pulls up to Attumen and on the Ushers and the one four pull on the way to Maiden, but otherwise we&#039;re really shackle free except for the Moroes fight. 

So saying, having a paladin tank, IMHO, is almost a must for Karazhan! Have him be top on Moroes and put sacrifice on the second tank and he&#039;ll never stay blinded. 

Have him bring healing gear to Maiden and he can do cleanse duty for Holy Fire and keep the tank up during Repentence (if you don&#039;t already have a paladin healer!) 

Some of those four ghosty invisible pulls on the way up are cake if you have a good paladin tank just hold all four and have the OT and DPS single shot them off one by one. 

And if you have a warrior for your other tank, the paladin can again slap on his healing gear and heal during Curator (good hateful bolt soaker healer!) and Prince (good phase 3 healer for the group and overall health topper upper!).

I&#039;m surprised your paladin didn&#039;t use exorcism to pull though, given that it&#039;s a whole raid instance full of undead? 

To sum up my long rambling unnecessary comment.. I&#039;ve fallen in love with hybrid tanks that can tank one fight where a tank is necessary and become a third healer or extra DPS when a second tank isn&#039;t necessary. Oh my God, the versatility makes me drool. *slobber*]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our guild recently went back into Kara after a guild explosion. The guild explosion happened after a &#8216;setback&#8217; in Karazhan, where they were clearing relatively regularly to Prince in two or three days, to suddenly wiping on Curator or Shade every time. </p>
<p>Lots of people left, it was like the Exodus. So in terms of what you ask above? Can it cause issues where people feel frustrated with a setback? Oh heck yes. It&#8217;s why if we have a bad week in Karazhan, we actually have a place on our guild forums where everyone posts what went wrong and what to fix it. We don&#8217;t keep silent about it to save people&#8217;s feelings, since saving one person&#8217;s feelings on what they did wrong winds up hurting 9 other people. </p>
<p>However, what it (guild blowup) did was let us rework our Karazhan runs and get some people in who deserved to be in there versus those who were going as body-spots. (Ooh, ooh, need a spot to fill up. Let&#8217;s grab Newb-70! They don&#8217;t need the key anymore!)</p>
<p>So, with few exceptions, our two tanks for Karazhan have been usually one of these rotations (given that we have only four tanks in our guild)<br />
Paladin Warrior<br />
Paladin Druid<br />
(The warrior druid combo isn&#8217;t run often (actually, never that I can recall) due to my guild being one of the only guilds in existence that is SHORT on DPS consistently and our warrior doubles as a warlock. And I obviously double as a druid tank or a warlock (or a healer), so if both of us were tanking, suddenly we&#8217;d be without a lot of DPS and the ability to do Illhoof.)</p>
<p>And since our change up and a change of tanks, we&#8217;ve been doing Attumen to Prince in about 3.5 hours. This includes Illhoof but is minus the dragons. </p>
<p>We do still use shackle on some of the big pulls up to Attumen and on the Ushers and the one four pull on the way to Maiden, but otherwise we&#8217;re really shackle free except for the Moroes fight. </p>
<p>So saying, having a paladin tank, IMHO, is almost a must for Karazhan! Have him be top on Moroes and put sacrifice on the second tank and he&#8217;ll never stay blinded. </p>
<p>Have him bring healing gear to Maiden and he can do cleanse duty for Holy Fire and keep the tank up during Repentence (if you don&#8217;t already have a paladin healer!) </p>
<p>Some of those four ghosty invisible pulls on the way up are cake if you have a good paladin tank just hold all four and have the OT and DPS single shot them off one by one. </p>
<p>And if you have a warrior for your other tank, the paladin can again slap on his healing gear and heal during Curator (good hateful bolt soaker healer!) and Prince (good phase 3 healer for the group and overall health topper upper!).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m surprised your paladin didn&#8217;t use exorcism to pull though, given that it&#8217;s a whole raid instance full of undead? </p>
<p>To sum up my long rambling unnecessary comment.. I&#8217;ve fallen in love with hybrid tanks that can tank one fight where a tank is necessary and become a third healer or extra DPS when a second tank isn&#8217;t necessary. Oh my God, the versatility makes me drool. *slobber*</p>
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		<title>By: Mukau</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mukau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 14:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Try Kara runs with two Pally tanks chain pulling mobs. It&#039;s a blast and very fast. We run through in about 2.5 hours for 22 badges. Very fun! Oh, take a Pally tank with you to heroic Bot too...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Try Kara runs with two Pally tanks chain pulling mobs. It&#8217;s a blast and very fast. We run through in about 2.5 hours for 22 badges. Very fun! Oh, take a Pally tank with you to heroic Bot too&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Minos</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/05/24/tales-from-the-dark-side/comment-page-1/#comment-6447</link>
		<dc:creator>Minos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 06:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For extra fun, the hunter needs to try explaining to the QQers how his pet gets extra AP when he uses his cat or bear pets.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For extra fun, the hunter needs to try explaining to the QQers how his pet gets extra AP when he uses his cat or bear pets.</p>
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		<title>By: Truthseeker</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/05/24/tales-from-the-dark-side/comment-page-1/#comment-6445</link>
		<dc:creator>Truthseeker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 04:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you are looking for a good addon to assist with your rotation you should try out Darkness. It&#039;s an Ace2 addon and its fabulous. It prompts your next spell so you don&#039;t have to worry about watching dot timers and your cooldowns for MB and SWD.

Our guild uses pally tanks and you&#039;re right they are awesome for the majority of Kara. I wouldn&#039;t worry about newer guilds not learning the fine art of CC with pally tanks though, a new pally tank wouldn&#039;t have the damage mitigation to stay up in some of the large trash pulls.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you are looking for a good addon to assist with your rotation you should try out Darkness. It&#8217;s an Ace2 addon and its fabulous. It prompts your next spell so you don&#8217;t have to worry about watching dot timers and your cooldowns for MB and SWD.</p>
<p>Our guild uses pally tanks and you&#8217;re right they are awesome for the majority of Kara. I wouldn&#8217;t worry about newer guilds not learning the fine art of CC with pally tanks though, a new pally tank wouldn&#8217;t have the damage mitigation to stay up in some of the large trash pulls.</p>
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		<title>By: Citabria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Citabria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 15:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I use this as a holy priest, but it would work also for shadow.

Mind Vision your rogue if he&#039;s sneaking in and marking.  (Our rogue is our Main Assist).  Then, when he gives you your shackling assignment, click on the mob, then /focus in the chat box.  Now, your focus is set.

Then click on what you want to attack (in your case) or the MT to heal (in my case).

When the pull starts, I can already be tossing out a PoM or Renew on the tank as my shackling target is running towards the fight.  Hit the macro without dropping your current target.  &#039;tis glorious.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use this as a holy priest, but it would work also for shadow.</p>
<p>Mind Vision your rogue if he&#8217;s sneaking in and marking.  (Our rogue is our Main Assist).  Then, when he gives you your shackling assignment, click on the mob, then /focus in the chat box.  Now, your focus is set.</p>
<p>Then click on what you want to attack (in your case) or the MT to heal (in my case).</p>
<p>When the pull starts, I can already be tossing out a PoM or Renew on the tank as my shackling target is running towards the fight.  Hit the macro without dropping your current target.  &#8217;tis glorious.</p>
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		<title>By: Valthan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Valthan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 13:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[damn! I have run that damn Kara so many times, and have never seen that staff drop. It only has 2 more chances, as after that the Forest Lord is mine, and illhoof&#039;s will be a void crystal]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>damn! I have run that damn Kara so many times, and have never seen that staff drop. It only has 2 more chances, as after that the Forest Lord is mine, and illhoof&#8217;s will be a void crystal</p>
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