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	<title>Comments on: Fresh cheese &#8211; Stinkywind, my new Warlock alt</title>
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		<title>By: Chula</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/06/04/fresh-cheese-stinkywind-my-new-warlock-alt/comment-page-1/#comment-7342</link>
		<dc:creator>Chula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 10:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Playing a WL is FUN, leveling a WL is easier than leveling an hunter. (done both, Feral is main)

Preferred specc is (what i&#039;ve read, but only partly used^^) afflic til 60, demon til 70, afflic till mid-Kara (itemwise), demon till halfway through SSC/TK, then specc destro an love your dps^^. WL&#039;s destro specc is what makes RL say Damage dealer or mage wanted^^. 

Like hunter, WL is easy to play but hard to master, I&#039;m still learning, after more and more switching from feral to wl &#039;cause tanking in PUGs is like having shadow vulnerability and spitting into the bowle at Ann. Nationwide Affliction WLs meeting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Playing a WL is FUN, leveling a WL is easier than leveling an hunter. (done both, Feral is main)</p>
<p>Preferred specc is (what i&#8217;ve read, but only partly used^^) afflic til 60, demon til 70, afflic till mid-Kara (itemwise), demon till halfway through SSC/TK, then specc destro an love your dps^^. WL&#8217;s destro specc is what makes RL say Damage dealer or mage wanted^^. </p>
<p>Like hunter, WL is easy to play but hard to master, I&#8217;m still learning, after more and more switching from feral to wl &#8217;cause tanking in PUGs is like having shadow vulnerability and spitting into the bowle at Ann. Nationwide Affliction WLs meeting.</p>
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		<title>By: Malsorian</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/06/04/fresh-cheese-stinkywind-my-new-warlock-alt/comment-page-1/#comment-6978</link>
		<dc:creator>Malsorian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 12:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Make sure you download and install necrosis.  Although the total functionality isn&#039;t working, it counts shards for you, gives you a nice interface to summon demons, create soulstones, and healthstones.  AND, it comes with cool macros that make your toon say cool stuff.  Something like, &quot;I call forth a steed of nightmare!&quot; when you summon your mount.  Very cool.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Make sure you download and install necrosis.  Although the total functionality isn&#8217;t working, it counts shards for you, gives you a nice interface to summon demons, create soulstones, and healthstones.  AND, it comes with cool macros that make your toon say cool stuff.  Something like, &#8220;I call forth a steed of nightmare!&#8221; when you summon your mount.  Very cool.</p>
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		<title>By: Kinzlayer</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/06/04/fresh-cheese-stinkywind-my-new-warlock-alt/comment-page-1/#comment-6782</link>
		<dc:creator>Kinzlayer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 19:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Seduce macro that I use is pretty simple, I believe you can easily google and find a generic one. 

-if the target is not already focus will make the target my focus
-tell the succy to /follow which will break off any actions she was doing prior to me hitting this macro, and easily that previous action could be seducing
-seduce target

and if you really fancy a /party &quot;seducing %target, lay off&quot; but it gets really old really fast after the tenth seduce that one run and how many runs will you be running as a CC.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Seduce macro that I use is pretty simple, I believe you can easily google and find a generic one. </p>
<p>-if the target is not already focus will make the target my focus<br />
-tell the succy to /follow which will break off any actions she was doing prior to me hitting this macro, and easily that previous action could be seducing<br />
-seduce target</p>
<p>and if you really fancy a /party &#8220;seducing %target, lay off&#8221; but it gets really old really fast after the tenth seduce that one run and how many runs will you be running as a CC.</p>
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		<title>By: Valyre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Valyre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 14:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I deleted my level 14 lock.  I couldn&#039;t face playing with a blueberry named &quot;Mezzthang&quot;.  I&#039;m all for drag queens, don&#039;t get me wrong.  It just wasn&#039;t exactly the character image I was going for.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I deleted my level 14 lock.  I couldn&#8217;t face playing with a blueberry named &#8220;Mezzthang&#8221;.  I&#8217;m all for drag queens, don&#8217;t get me wrong.  It just wasn&#8217;t exactly the character image I was going for.</p>
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		<title>By: BoatsUK</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/06/04/fresh-cheese-stinkywind-my-new-warlock-alt/comment-page-1/#comment-6755</link>
		<dc:creator>BoatsUK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 10:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Main: druid tank (the reason I read this blog. hehe)
Main alt (yeh, I have a few more): Affliction/Ruin Lock

I love my lock.

Some more tips:
* Farming primals? Send VW. Dot Dot Dot. Damage another one (tag) and banish. Fear a 3rd one Dot DoT Dot. By the time one dies, the banished one will come back). You can kill non stop and get those primals quite fast. Note: I only recommend using the banish for fun or if competing against not very polite ppl. You might get reported with your guild master if you behave like a d*ck where ppl are trying to do the SMV quests.

* AoE Fear == bad 99% of the time. Probably the best use is when you&#039;re trying to get out of an instance during a wipe and the mobs are about to squash you. hit the fear button and you&#039;ll buy a few more secs to get the hell out of there.

* Banish druids in tree form. kind of heretic with my main being a druid, but lock are the most evil class. And if you time it properly, you can even rebanish them before they can shift out of tree form. muehehehehe

* If you get to group with a shadowpriest, you&#039;ll want to buy one. Not only you&#039;ll get even more mana, your (and his/her) damage will go to the roof.

* Amplified Curse of Doom during evocation on curator&#039;s fight == 20K damage (and that&#039;s with crappy gear). Try to beat that...

* Heroic Shattered Halls: Pally tank, 2 mages, pretty much any healer + you === LOTS of AoE fun and a very quick run.

* Use Curse of Shadow/Elements to the best benefit of the group. You&#039;ll love arcane mages if you&#039;re the only lock. But if you have to fire/frost mages use elements. your dps will be lower but the overall group DPS will be higher (asuming everyone&#039;s gear is similar).

* Affliction == loads of fun. CoE, DoT, kite. Morladin? Stiches? Soloed at lvl 32 Several times to avenge the times they ganked my druid and hunter :)

* In theory, you could take care of 4 mobs all by yourself: banish 1, fear the 2nd, enslave the 3rd and send it to tank/dps the 4th. 

* Doing the elite group quests in Nagrand? Just go and enslave one of the big bad elite demons to the west send him in and watch. Who needs a group!? (make sure you are far far away when they break loose)

* Always use CoS before enslave/fear. It&#039;ll reduce the chance of those spells breaking early.

* Illhoof == 2200DPS with just a few purples. But remember to keep an eye on your mana and use lifetap/dark pack frequently (every 2-3 SoC). SoC is a mana drain. If you wait till you&#039;re low or oom you&#039;ll get swamped with adds.

In general, I&#039;ve found the warlock to be an awesome class and very fun to play. Ideal to relax after a wiping session tanking new bosses in  SSC/TK :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Main: druid tank (the reason I read this blog. hehe)<br />
Main alt (yeh, I have a few more): Affliction/Ruin Lock</p>
<p>I love my lock.</p>
<p>Some more tips:<br />
* Farming primals? Send VW. Dot Dot Dot. Damage another one (tag) and banish. Fear a 3rd one Dot DoT Dot. By the time one dies, the banished one will come back). You can kill non stop and get those primals quite fast. Note: I only recommend using the banish for fun or if competing against not very polite ppl. You might get reported with your guild master if you behave like a d*ck where ppl are trying to do the SMV quests.</p>
<p>* AoE Fear == bad 99% of the time. Probably the best use is when you&#8217;re trying to get out of an instance during a wipe and the mobs are about to squash you. hit the fear button and you&#8217;ll buy a few more secs to get the hell out of there.</p>
<p>* Banish druids in tree form. kind of heretic with my main being a druid, but lock are the most evil class. And if you time it properly, you can even rebanish them before they can shift out of tree form. muehehehehe</p>
<p>* If you get to group with a shadowpriest, you&#8217;ll want to buy one. Not only you&#8217;ll get even more mana, your (and his/her) damage will go to the roof.</p>
<p>* Amplified Curse of Doom during evocation on curator&#8217;s fight == 20K damage (and that&#8217;s with crappy gear). Try to beat that&#8230;</p>
<p>* Heroic Shattered Halls: Pally tank, 2 mages, pretty much any healer + you === LOTS of AoE fun and a very quick run.</p>
<p>* Use Curse of Shadow/Elements to the best benefit of the group. You&#8217;ll love arcane mages if you&#8217;re the only lock. But if you have to fire/frost mages use elements. your dps will be lower but the overall group DPS will be higher (asuming everyone&#8217;s gear is similar).</p>
<p>* Affliction == loads of fun. CoE, DoT, kite. Morladin? Stiches? Soloed at lvl 32 Several times to avenge the times they ganked my druid and hunter :)</p>
<p>* In theory, you could take care of 4 mobs all by yourself: banish 1, fear the 2nd, enslave the 3rd and send it to tank/dps the 4th. </p>
<p>* Doing the elite group quests in Nagrand? Just go and enslave one of the big bad elite demons to the west send him in and watch. Who needs a group!? (make sure you are far far away when they break loose)</p>
<p>* Always use CoS before enslave/fear. It&#8217;ll reduce the chance of those spells breaking early.</p>
<p>* Illhoof == 2200DPS with just a few purples. But remember to keep an eye on your mana and use lifetap/dark pack frequently (every 2-3 SoC). SoC is a mana drain. If you wait till you&#8217;re low or oom you&#8217;ll get swamped with adds.</p>
<p>In general, I&#8217;ve found the warlock to be an awesome class and very fun to play. Ideal to relax after a wiping session tanking new bosses in  SSC/TK :)</p>
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		<title>By: Typhoonandrew</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/06/04/fresh-cheese-stinkywind-my-new-warlock-alt/comment-page-1/#comment-6752</link>
		<dc:creator>Typhoonandrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 07:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Like I said to a Hunter mate who plays around on a Druid and Mage - its the player, not  the class. You&#039;ll be a nasty piece of warlock hurt in no time BBB. I love my 70 warlock, he really has a huge range of things to offer beyond straight dps.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like I said to a Hunter mate who plays around on a Druid and Mage &#8211; its the player, not  the class. You&#8217;ll be a nasty piece of warlock hurt in no time BBB. I love my 70 warlock, he really has a huge range of things to offer beyond straight dps.</p>
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		<title>By: Jagoex</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/06/04/fresh-cheese-stinkywind-my-new-warlock-alt/comment-page-1/#comment-6747</link>
		<dc:creator>Jagoex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 05:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lol, BBB. Much love bro.

You&#039;ll get the Warlock thing down in no time. But be careful... you may find yourself willing to refocus your blog after playing one for a while! :)

Good luck with your &#039;locking ways. If you have any questions, drop me a line anytime.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lol, BBB. Much love bro.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ll get the Warlock thing down in no time. But be careful&#8230; you may find yourself willing to refocus your blog after playing one for a while! :)</p>
<p>Good luck with your &#8216;locking ways. If you have any questions, drop me a line anytime.</p>
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		<title>By: Kikidas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kikidas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 03:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Seduce is a channeled spell and you can have her &quot;recast&quot; it, but you need to make her stop casting first. Seriously.. if you&#039;re going to seduce and be any good at it.. a focus macro is just about the best way to go.

This way, you don&#039;t have to click around to find her target or your target again. 

And as was mentioned, if you do something to get aggro first, or the tank does something to get aggro first, before your first seduce goes off... your succy will most likely live since when the mob is up, it&#039;s going after you and not her. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seduce is a channeled spell and you can have her &#8220;recast&#8221; it, but you need to make her stop casting first. Seriously.. if you&#8217;re going to seduce and be any good at it.. a focus macro is just about the best way to go.</p>
<p>This way, you don&#8217;t have to click around to find her target or your target again. </p>
<p>And as was mentioned, if you do something to get aggro first, or the tank does something to get aggro first, before your first seduce goes off&#8230; your succy will most likely live since when the mob is up, it&#8217;s going after you and not her. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Saresa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saresa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 23:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Looks to me like everyone has covered most of what was going to be said, so I&#039;ll just throw in my little two cents worth.
1.  Sar was levelled Destro.  The WHOLE way. Big, huge, giant mistake!  Think the almighty powers of a mage...none of the escape abilities!  I always recommend demonology to friends as a levelling build, but also wax lyrical about the bennies of affliction.  I just say first and foremost - NOT DESTRUCTION DAMNIT!
2.  Favourite pet for me?  Felhunter.  I remember falling in love with Traathun when I was clearing out that nasty Kurzen&#039;s camp area in Stranglethorn, and he could essentially solo the casters, cutting my work in half.  Seeing him heal himself constantly made me smile SO hard.
3.  Unlike some of the above, I am a reluctant fearer.  Fear, however, is awesome-sauce for some situations:  MgT is one where I use fear alot, often we have cleared so much room behind us that we can just fear with no worries.  I also use fear occasionally if a person get&#039;s MCed for a significant period of time.  Brief fears like Death Coil work well here, and the little bit of health they lose isn&#039;t a great worry to your healer when they pop back out of it.
4.  Seduce.  Just the thought makes me shudder.  Back in the day (before I became a lazy assed mana biscuit munching raider) I was pretty darn good at seducing, if I do say so myself.  I can&#039;t say I have ever tried the macro above though.  Plenty of timer mods out there (Necrosis also has inbuilt timers, not sure if they apply to seduce as well - like I said, it&#039;s been a while!), but my technique is pretty simple.  Since I use X-Perl, my pet&#039;s cast bar is shown.  I just click on her when it&#039;s nearly up, hit assist, and recast.
There are some issues with seduce though.  It does take her a little to recast it.  You can&#039;t recast until the first one is done (at least in my experience, I could be wrong here!), and if you are seducing a caster, you can have the fun experience I had the other day of them magically getting a cast off in the exact same amount of time it takes for her to recast, hitting her WHILE she is seducing and breaking it.  /dodge tank abuse!  If something happens to go wrong like that as well, its pretty much game over man, game over.  She dies too fast to really be of much more use.

Hmm, what else could there be that hasn&#039;t been covered?  Always keep your shard bag full my friend!  The funny ol&#039; warlock is one of the best classes out there (not biased at all!).  CC?  Check!  AoE?  Check!  Leet DPS?  Check!  Oh, and as for the pet names, you grow to love them!  Curiously though, I think Felguards as a rule consistently have the worst names.  A major reason I never stuck with demon!  Honestly, when you have a succubus with the oddly appropriate &#039;Domxia&#039; as a handle, how can you not smile?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks to me like everyone has covered most of what was going to be said, so I&#8217;ll just throw in my little two cents worth.<br />
1.  Sar was levelled Destro.  The WHOLE way. Big, huge, giant mistake!  Think the almighty powers of a mage&#8230;none of the escape abilities!  I always recommend demonology to friends as a levelling build, but also wax lyrical about the bennies of affliction.  I just say first and foremost &#8211; NOT DESTRUCTION DAMNIT!<br />
2.  Favourite pet for me?  Felhunter.  I remember falling in love with Traathun when I was clearing out that nasty Kurzen&#8217;s camp area in Stranglethorn, and he could essentially solo the casters, cutting my work in half.  Seeing him heal himself constantly made me smile SO hard.<br />
3.  Unlike some of the above, I am a reluctant fearer.  Fear, however, is awesome-sauce for some situations:  MgT is one where I use fear alot, often we have cleared so much room behind us that we can just fear with no worries.  I also use fear occasionally if a person get&#8217;s MCed for a significant period of time.  Brief fears like Death Coil work well here, and the little bit of health they lose isn&#8217;t a great worry to your healer when they pop back out of it.<br />
4.  Seduce.  Just the thought makes me shudder.  Back in the day (before I became a lazy assed mana biscuit munching raider) I was pretty darn good at seducing, if I do say so myself.  I can&#8217;t say I have ever tried the macro above though.  Plenty of timer mods out there (Necrosis also has inbuilt timers, not sure if they apply to seduce as well &#8211; like I said, it&#8217;s been a while!), but my technique is pretty simple.  Since I use X-Perl, my pet&#8217;s cast bar is shown.  I just click on her when it&#8217;s nearly up, hit assist, and recast.<br />
There are some issues with seduce though.  It does take her a little to recast it.  You can&#8217;t recast until the first one is done (at least in my experience, I could be wrong here!), and if you are seducing a caster, you can have the fun experience I had the other day of them magically getting a cast off in the exact same amount of time it takes for her to recast, hitting her WHILE she is seducing and breaking it.  /dodge tank abuse!  If something happens to go wrong like that as well, its pretty much game over man, game over.  She dies too fast to really be of much more use.</p>
<p>Hmm, what else could there be that hasn&#8217;t been covered?  Always keep your shard bag full my friend!  The funny ol&#8217; warlock is one of the best classes out there (not biased at all!).  CC?  Check!  AoE?  Check!  Leet DPS?  Check!  Oh, and as for the pet names, you grow to love them!  Curiously though, I think Felguards as a rule consistently have the worst names.  A major reason I never stuck with demon!  Honestly, when you have a succubus with the oddly appropriate &#8216;Domxia&#8217; as a handle, how can you not smile?</p>
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		<title>By: Blacknimbus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blacknimbus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 22:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Doomguard was never useful...I&#039;m convinced that they put him in just as a gimmick.  If he could be enslaved reliably, his Cripple could be very useful in certain instances...but enslave just doesn&#039;t work that way.  How many times have you seen the Ritual of Doom performed?  

The Infernal has really one use...dropping on flags in BGs.  

I played a Gnome Warlock up to 60 and did a little endgame raiding before BC.  Before DC, they were the weakest class available.  It&#039;s funny how things change.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Doomguard was never useful&#8230;I&#8217;m convinced that they put him in just as a gimmick.  If he could be enslaved reliably, his Cripple could be very useful in certain instances&#8230;but enslave just doesn&#8217;t work that way.  How many times have you seen the Ritual of Doom performed?  </p>
<p>The Infernal has really one use&#8230;dropping on flags in BGs.  </p>
<p>I played a Gnome Warlock up to 60 and did a little endgame raiding before BC.  Before DC, they were the weakest class available.  It&#8217;s funny how things change.</p>
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