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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/06/16/why-do-i-avoid-pvp-again/comment-page-1/#comment-7096</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 20:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AV is my fav and it can be a good honor sink.  However you need to figure out if your side wins or loses.  On one server, (both of them i play alliance), we always win, and the other, we always lose (9-1 and 1-9 respectively).  Its best if both sides zerg all the time, even if its boring, because the honor gains if you lose even, are pretty nice (ie 300 honor for 15 minutes).  If you win its typically 500-600.  Try to be the one to cap towers and hold them.  As a druid you can stealth and cap the towers near the general fairly well, since nobody ever guards them (well usually).  

However, if the other side is skilled, you wont get a single point of honor.  They will retake your tower caps and leave you with nothing but pain.  Then they will farm honor for 15 min or so.  At this point, avoid the BG for a while.  You are better off doing anything else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AV is my fav and it can be a good honor sink.  However you need to figure out if your side wins or loses.  On one server, (both of them i play alliance), we always win, and the other, we always lose (9-1 and 1-9 respectively).  Its best if both sides zerg all the time, even if its boring, because the honor gains if you lose even, are pretty nice (ie 300 honor for 15 minutes).  If you win its typically 500-600.  Try to be the one to cap towers and hold them.  As a druid you can stealth and cap the towers near the general fairly well, since nobody ever guards them (well usually).  </p>
<p>However, if the other side is skilled, you wont get a single point of honor.  They will retake your tower caps and leave you with nothing but pain.  Then they will farm honor for 15 min or so.  At this point, avoid the BG for a while.  You are better off doing anything else.</p>
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		<title>By: Boojah</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/06/16/why-do-i-avoid-pvp-again/comment-page-1/#comment-7092</link>
		<dc:creator>Boojah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 18:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I play Horde and enjoy AV, but I honestly wonder every time, how we possibly win. If our side had that long bridge with archers that could shoot away from basically the bridge all the way to van, I just can&#039;t see how we&#039;d lose. 

And then the ally back the heck up off the bridge, and allow us into the towers to kill the archers.. like every single time! Woot!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I play Horde and enjoy AV, but I honestly wonder every time, how we possibly win. If our side had that long bridge with archers that could shoot away from basically the bridge all the way to van, I just can&#8217;t see how we&#8217;d lose. </p>
<p>And then the ally back the heck up off the bridge, and allow us into the towers to kill the archers.. like every single time! Woot!</p>
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		<title>By: Earendil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Earendil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 12:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, this is interesting to read, because I only play Horde. In fact, I love to play BG&#039;s with my Rogue. Rogues are not the best choice in some bg&#039;s like WSG or EotS, but we still can compete with the rest. Plus stealth is a major plus.

It is just pure fun in epic battles in AV. Normally you have something like a defined frontier and players tend to fall back on low health or mana. The perfect thing for a rogue.
1. select your target (the weak ones)
2. use shadow step
3. cheap shot
4. dps
5. kidney shot
6. final dps
7. vanish
8. repeat

Although there are only few hordes in this blog, I must cry a little bit. Allies have an easier game in AV. 
a) your bridge is something we cannot avoid, but you can sneak by our two towers on the way up to the base; 
b) our NPCs standing somewhere not in the way to pass by, your&#039;s are normally good adds to help defend the base; 
c) it is very difficult for us to take your bunkers because the archers see us almost always, this is truly not the case with our towers. although you get hit by them, once you are inside you can easily take them
But there are some interesting aspects, too. Before the last change to AV, many players on alliance side complained that the horde is starting to far in the north, i.e. they could reach sh bunker before the allies. Now Blizzard has changed this and we start way more south. However, this forces us to defend more the before, because we normally face the first allies on IB tower level. And since defense wins AV&#039;s we tend to win a lot of games. Very funny!

But besides this I can only agree with previous comments. Do the daily quest and you&#039;ll be fine on a long term basis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, this is interesting to read, because I only play Horde. In fact, I love to play BG&#8217;s with my Rogue. Rogues are not the best choice in some bg&#8217;s like WSG or EotS, but we still can compete with the rest. Plus stealth is a major plus.</p>
<p>It is just pure fun in epic battles in AV. Normally you have something like a defined frontier and players tend to fall back on low health or mana. The perfect thing for a rogue.<br />
1. select your target (the weak ones)<br />
2. use shadow step<br />
3. cheap shot<br />
4. dps<br />
5. kidney shot<br />
6. final dps<br />
7. vanish<br />
8. repeat</p>
<p>Although there are only few hordes in this blog, I must cry a little bit. Allies have an easier game in AV.<br />
a) your bridge is something we cannot avoid, but you can sneak by our two towers on the way up to the base;<br />
b) our NPCs standing somewhere not in the way to pass by, your&#8217;s are normally good adds to help defend the base;<br />
c) it is very difficult for us to take your bunkers because the archers see us almost always, this is truly not the case with our towers. although you get hit by them, once you are inside you can easily take them<br />
But there are some interesting aspects, too. Before the last change to AV, many players on alliance side complained that the horde is starting to far in the north, i.e. they could reach sh bunker before the allies. Now Blizzard has changed this and we start way more south. However, this forces us to defend more the before, because we normally face the first allies on IB tower level. And since defense wins AV&#8217;s we tend to win a lot of games. Very funny!</p>
<p>But besides this I can only agree with previous comments. Do the daily quest and you&#8217;ll be fine on a long term basis.</p>
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		<title>By: Chalaar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chalaar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 09:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The last sentence of my previous comment should read &quot;.....the flag or tower (Arathi or EotS)....&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The last sentence of my previous comment should read &#8220;&#8230;..the flag or tower (Arathi or EotS)&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Chalaar</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/06/16/why-do-i-avoid-pvp-again/comment-page-1/#comment-7083</link>
		<dc:creator>Chalaar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 09:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel with you. I also do not like playing the battlegrounds. First, my reaction times are far too slow to be able to compete with those that are 20+ years younger than me. Second, the lack of strategy and common sense can be frustrating. Third, the battleground chat is often a nuisance.

Still, despite my reservations I am sitting at 60,000 honour points. I only do the daily battleground which gives an additional 400 honour points or so if you win it (which is a lot). If I loose then I try once again and if I loose again, I just leave it for the day. This strategy results in 500 to 900 honour points per day depending on the battleground. I have acquired the 60,000 honour points in little over two months but it did not feel like I was doing PVP much. Just a little every day.

I realize that you want your honour faster but for future seasons this is a fairly painless way to accumulate honour.

About not being well geared for battlegrounds - I have always found that a badly geared player who simply stands at the flag (Arathi or EotS) and calls out incoming attacks makes a more valuable contribution than many S3-geared players that zerg in the centre.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel with you. I also do not like playing the battlegrounds. First, my reaction times are far too slow to be able to compete with those that are 20+ years younger than me. Second, the lack of strategy and common sense can be frustrating. Third, the battleground chat is often a nuisance.</p>
<p>Still, despite my reservations I am sitting at 60,000 honour points. I only do the daily battleground which gives an additional 400 honour points or so if you win it (which is a lot). If I loose then I try once again and if I loose again, I just leave it for the day. This strategy results in 500 to 900 honour points per day depending on the battleground. I have acquired the 60,000 honour points in little over two months but it did not feel like I was doing PVP much. Just a little every day.</p>
<p>I realize that you want your honour faster but for future seasons this is a fairly painless way to accumulate honour.</p>
<p>About not being well geared for battlegrounds &#8211; I have always found that a badly geared player who simply stands at the flag (Arathi or EotS) and calls out incoming attacks makes a more valuable contribution than many S3-geared players that zerg in the centre.</p>
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		<title>By: Diz</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/06/16/why-do-i-avoid-pvp-again/comment-page-1/#comment-7082</link>
		<dc:creator>Diz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 06:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EoTS is pretty good for us, AV is usually bad unless it&#039;s late, WSG is useless (long matches, low honor), AB is usually decent honor. Good to know you&#039;re getting into bg&#039;s, it&#039;s a good way to fix holes in feral gear:)  If only prot paladins could do the same;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EoTS is pretty good for us, AV is usually bad unless it&#8217;s late, WSG is useless (long matches, low honor), AB is usually decent honor. Good to know you&#8217;re getting into bg&#8217;s, it&#8217;s a good way to fix holes in feral gear:)  If only prot paladins could do the same;)</p>
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		<title>By: Higs</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/06/16/why-do-i-avoid-pvp-again/comment-page-1/#comment-7081</link>
		<dc:creator>Higs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 23:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoa, you&#039;re on Kael&#039;Thas? I got really excited...then remembered you&#039;re Alliance :P

Anyway I&#039;ll keep my eye out for you... my main&#039;s a druid named Fearghas.


In response to Qzz above, imo WSG pvp as any druid is fun. Can&#039;t beat travel form. Either you have a ton of health since you&#039;re feral, or (hopefully) a decent amount of health and a lot of +healing if you&#039;re resto.  If you&#039;re boomkin... well I can&#039;t help you there...haven&#039;t rolled boom since level 30 :)

Being the bear able to tank at the end of AV is sweet too. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoa, you&#8217;re on Kael&#8217;Thas? I got really excited&#8230;then remembered you&#8217;re Alliance :P</p>
<p>Anyway I&#8217;ll keep my eye out for you&#8230; my main&#8217;s a druid named Fearghas.</p>
<p>In response to Qzz above, imo WSG pvp as any druid is fun. Can&#8217;t beat travel form. Either you have a ton of health since you&#8217;re feral, or (hopefully) a decent amount of health and a lot of +healing if you&#8217;re resto.  If you&#8217;re boomkin&#8230; well I can&#8217;t help you there&#8230;haven&#8217;t rolled boom since level 30 :)</p>
<p>Being the bear able to tank at the end of AV is sweet too. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Qzz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Qzz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 21:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PVP as a Feral Druid is a blast (BARE iz for fun!) I go in the tanking set and just run interferance while others DPS or capture flags/GY&#039;s. For some reason we are hard to kill. Something about a health pool the size of 3 clothies tons of armor and Frenzied Regeneration. Get a healer to follow you and you will grab a flag in WSG sit down in the middle of the BG and just get mad that the fire mages keep burning your playing cards while you play solitaire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PVP as a Feral Druid is a blast (BARE iz for fun!) I go in the tanking set and just run interferance while others DPS or capture flags/GY&#8217;s. For some reason we are hard to kill. Something about a health pool the size of 3 clothies tons of armor and Frenzied Regeneration. Get a healer to follow you and you will grab a flag in WSG sit down in the middle of the BG and just get mad that the fire mages keep burning your playing cards while you play solitaire.</p>
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		<title>By: Itok</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/06/16/why-do-i-avoid-pvp-again/comment-page-1/#comment-7075</link>
		<dc:creator>Itok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 20:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For whatever reason I can’t peel myself away from Hybrid type of Characters.  Itok (Feral Druid) was my first to 70.  Now that I have Sonofitok  (Shaman) at 70 too I have been partaking in many a battle ground.  Unfortunately I have already obtained two chunks of the healing set that will be replaced with the Season 2 gear when it becomes available.

I have a secret that helps me out quite a bit.  I don’t try to farm honor in AB, EOS or WSG I save that for AV.  I usually park myself by a node and wait to fight as its only tokens that I am after.  However more importantly, I make a separate chat window that will only display Guild and Whispers.  This way I am free of the main reason why I don’t like BG’s the “Asshats”.  The ones who only have one strategy “All in or we lose”.  I also tend to avoid the weekend BG unless its AV, well that is until I am free of the greens and blues.

Itok</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For whatever reason I can’t peel myself away from Hybrid type of Characters.  Itok (Feral Druid) was my first to 70.  Now that I have Sonofitok  (Shaman) at 70 too I have been partaking in many a battle ground.  Unfortunately I have already obtained two chunks of the healing set that will be replaced with the Season 2 gear when it becomes available.</p>
<p>I have a secret that helps me out quite a bit.  I don’t try to farm honor in AB, EOS or WSG I save that for AV.  I usually park myself by a node and wait to fight as its only tokens that I am after.  However more importantly, I make a separate chat window that will only display Guild and Whispers.  This way I am free of the main reason why I don’t like BG’s the “Asshats”.  The ones who only have one strategy “All in or we lose”.  I also tend to avoid the weekend BG unless its AV, well that is until I am free of the greens and blues.</p>
<p>Itok</p>
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		<title>By: bigbearbutt</title>
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		<dc:creator>bigbearbutt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 20:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, lot&#039;s fo great suggestions! Thanks guys... I don&#039;t mind dying as long as I feel I&#039;m hurting some other schmoes and I&#039;d say I was doing some good damage out there. 

I totally think I&#039;m gonna spend more time in AV on my Druid once my priest gets the knife. I think having fun team-ganking someone with Cassie would be sweet...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, lot&#8217;s fo great suggestions! Thanks guys&#8230; I don&#8217;t mind dying as long as I feel I&#8217;m hurting some other schmoes and I&#8217;d say I was doing some good damage out there. </p>
<p>I totally think I&#8217;m gonna spend more time in AV on my Druid once my priest gets the knife. I think having fun team-ganking someone with Cassie would be sweet&#8230;</p>
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