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		<title>By: Cassieann</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/07/01/my-thoughts-on-pvp-gear-in-general/comment-page-2/#comment-7539</link>
		<dc:creator>Cassieann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 02:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, BBB asked that we let this post and the personal attacks (not dialogue, but personal comments and emails of hatred and nastiness) stop and people are continuing. So rather than allow that to continue, the post will be locked now. And for the first time in the history of the blog.

There will be people who will see that as censorship or something to additionally complain about, but the bottom line is this is a blog about a game that is supposed to be fun and enjoyable. Maybe people are using sarcasm and are joking, but it’s not coming across that way and there’s only so much constant flood of nastiness that a person can take before they start to take it personally and not as a dialogue about a game. 50+ comments and people making their own blog posts to point out how wrong they think someone is and personal emails that are vicious and nasty aren’t fun and ruin the game for our family.

So it’s time to move on. Tomorrow will be PBEM story time and then hopefully we’ll return next week with other fun game play to report on. Thanks.

Cassieann</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, BBB asked that we let this post and the personal attacks (not dialogue, but personal comments and emails of hatred and nastiness) stop and people are continuing. So rather than allow that to continue, the post will be locked now. And for the first time in the history of the blog.</p>
<p>There will be people who will see that as censorship or something to additionally complain about, but the bottom line is this is a blog about a game that is supposed to be fun and enjoyable. Maybe people are using sarcasm and are joking, but it’s not coming across that way and there’s only so much constant flood of nastiness that a person can take before they start to take it personally and not as a dialogue about a game. 50+ comments and people making their own blog posts to point out how wrong they think someone is and personal emails that are vicious and nasty aren’t fun and ruin the game for our family.</p>
<p>So it’s time to move on. Tomorrow will be PBEM story time and then hopefully we’ll return next week with other fun game play to report on. Thanks.</p>
<p>Cassieann</p>
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		<title>By: bigbearbutt</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/07/01/my-thoughts-on-pvp-gear-in-general/comment-page-2/#comment-7537</link>
		<dc:creator>bigbearbutt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 01:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I seem set in my ways?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I seem set in my ways?</p>
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		<title>By: Stupid Mage</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/07/01/my-thoughts-on-pvp-gear-in-general/comment-page-2/#comment-7536</link>
		<dc:creator>Stupid Mage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 00:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>**Just an FYI: In WotLK, resilience will not work in an instance. Not that this matters hugely for most people, but it might help the pve/pvp issue somewhat.**

I think that is silly and solves nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>**Just an FYI: In WotLK, resilience will not work in an instance. Not that this matters hugely for most people, but it might help the pve/pvp issue somewhat.**</p>
<p>I think that is silly and solves nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Drotara</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/07/01/my-thoughts-on-pvp-gear-in-general/comment-page-2/#comment-7535</link>
		<dc:creator>Drotara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 00:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are so many reasons I disagree with this post. So many. But mainly . . . the fact that too many people can&#039;t grasp that not everyone can play the game like they do. I won&#039;t bother elaborating. You seem set in your ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are so many reasons I disagree with this post. So many. But mainly . . . the fact that too many people can&#8217;t grasp that not everyone can play the game like they do. I won&#8217;t bother elaborating. You seem set in your ways.</p>
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		<title>By: Bellwether</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/07/01/my-thoughts-on-pvp-gear-in-general/comment-page-2/#comment-7529</link>
		<dc:creator>Bellwether</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 22:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was gonna write a reply, but it got to be four pages long in Word, so. I posted it on my blog.

http://4haelz.blogspot.com/2008/07/rebuttal-for-bear.html

Enjoy :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was gonna write a reply, but it got to be four pages long in Word, so. I posted it on my blog.</p>
<p><a href="http://4haelz.blogspot.com/2008/07/rebuttal-for-bear.html" rel="nofollow">http://4haelz.blogspot.com/2008/07/rebuttal-for-bear.html</a></p>
<p>Enjoy :P</p>
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		<title>By: Rav</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/07/01/my-thoughts-on-pvp-gear-in-general/comment-page-2/#comment-7513</link>
		<dc:creator>Rav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 20:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People who play on PvE servers have a distinct advantage to those who play on PvP servers: you chose when you can be vulnerable, if ever. That&#039;s why the half-assed &quot;Arena-only gear&quot; solution won&#039;t work. Highly progressed guilds will have a huge advantage over actual PvPers on World PvP. Staying unflag on high turmoil zones is not an option on PvP servers. And World PvP is one of the funnest things to do.

If you want to do well enough on your area (be it PvE or PvP), you can (as of S3) bypass the other side&#039;s gear offer.

If you want to be great, you have to cross over as many pieces as you can. Most PvP healers will be drooling over the Pendant of the Lost Ages ( http://www.wowdb.com/item.aspx?id=30008 ) and many casters will be DKP-fighting for rings with armor. Mind you, there aren&#039;t many PvP items in Raids, but those that do exist have a medium to high impact on Arena.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People who play on PvE servers have a distinct advantage to those who play on PvP servers: you chose when you can be vulnerable, if ever. That&#8217;s why the half-assed &#8220;Arena-only gear&#8221; solution won&#8217;t work. Highly progressed guilds will have a huge advantage over actual PvPers on World PvP. Staying unflag on high turmoil zones is not an option on PvP servers. And World PvP is one of the funnest things to do.</p>
<p>If you want to do well enough on your area (be it PvE or PvP), you can (as of S3) bypass the other side&#8217;s gear offer.</p>
<p>If you want to be great, you have to cross over as many pieces as you can. Most PvP healers will be drooling over the Pendant of the Lost Ages ( <a href="http://www.wowdb.com/item.aspx?id=30008" rel="nofollow">http://www.wowdb.com/item.aspx?id=30008</a> ) and many casters will be DKP-fighting for rings with armor. Mind you, there aren&#8217;t many PvP items in Raids, but those that do exist have a medium to high impact on Arena.</p>
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		<title>By: Kal</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/07/01/my-thoughts-on-pvp-gear-in-general/comment-page-2/#comment-7507</link>
		<dc:creator>Kal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 18:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just an FYI: In WotLK, resilience will not work in an instance. Not that this matters hugely for most people, but it might help the pve/pvp issue somewhat.

As to having great gear being a mark of PvE-quality: there are a number of people on my server who are making a ton of money in exchange for giving them 3pT6. Not T5, T6. Mother, Council and Illidan. 10k for the whole thing. 10k gold sounds like a lot, but 3.3k gold per T6 piece is pretty easily done, and is on par in a time investment with the honor rewards assuming about 100g an hour (which is pretty easily done). 

Then there was Alex Ziebart on WoWinsider who was advocating buying your Hand of A&#039;dal title. 

Gear is not a measure of skill. Or at least most isn&#039;t. Getting that armored netherdrake might be, but that&#039;s about it. We have keyboard turner rogues who have dual warglaives on our BG. We have a T6-geared mage who does not know how to make food. That awesome gear your worked your ass off for someone else bought on eBay. That&#039;s just the way it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just an FYI: In WotLK, resilience will not work in an instance. Not that this matters hugely for most people, but it might help the pve/pvp issue somewhat.</p>
<p>As to having great gear being a mark of PvE-quality: there are a number of people on my server who are making a ton of money in exchange for giving them 3pT6. Not T5, T6. Mother, Council and Illidan. 10k for the whole thing. 10k gold sounds like a lot, but 3.3k gold per T6 piece is pretty easily done, and is on par in a time investment with the honor rewards assuming about 100g an hour (which is pretty easily done). </p>
<p>Then there was Alex Ziebart on WoWinsider who was advocating buying your Hand of A&#8217;dal title. </p>
<p>Gear is not a measure of skill. Or at least most isn&#8217;t. Getting that armored netherdrake might be, but that&#8217;s about it. We have keyboard turner rogues who have dual warglaives on our BG. We have a T6-geared mage who does not know how to make food. That awesome gear your worked your ass off for someone else bought on eBay. That&#8217;s just the way it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Stupid Mage</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/07/01/my-thoughts-on-pvp-gear-in-general/comment-page-2/#comment-7500</link>
		<dc:creator>Stupid Mage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 18:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Restricting PvP gear to BGs and Arena and/or PvE gear to Instances and Raids is stupid. It really is, so stop suggesting it.  It doesn&#039;t even come close to solving anything.

Which makes me ask, what&#039;s the problem?  Why do you have an issue with somebody sporting SX gear? You don&#039;t want that guy in your raid? Why? What if he knows his shit, know how to control his aggro, and is a great guy to hang with?  He shows up in Merc Gear and suddenly he&#039;s got cooties?

Yes, there are people in PvP gear that don&#039;t know jack about PvE.  Yes, there are people in awesome PvE gear that couldn&#039;t kill a lvl 50 toon.  Just don&#039;t invite those people into your raid or onto your arena team.  BUT give them a chance to prove themselves first.  Give them a shot to hang or shine on their skill, not their gear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Restricting PvP gear to BGs and Arena and/or PvE gear to Instances and Raids is stupid. It really is, so stop suggesting it.  It doesn&#8217;t even come close to solving anything.</p>
<p>Which makes me ask, what&#8217;s the problem?  Why do you have an issue with somebody sporting SX gear? You don&#8217;t want that guy in your raid? Why? What if he knows his shit, know how to control his aggro, and is a great guy to hang with?  He shows up in Merc Gear and suddenly he&#8217;s got cooties?</p>
<p>Yes, there are people in PvP gear that don&#8217;t know jack about PvE.  Yes, there are people in awesome PvE gear that couldn&#8217;t kill a lvl 50 toon.  Just don&#8217;t invite those people into your raid or onto your arena team.  BUT give them a chance to prove themselves first.  Give them a shot to hang or shine on their skill, not their gear.</p>
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		<title>By: Kestrel</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/07/01/my-thoughts-on-pvp-gear-in-general/comment-page-2/#comment-7495</link>
		<dc:creator>Kestrel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 16:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Siobahn makes an excellent point. As someone who did some BGs for gear because our tiny guild couldn&#039;t even put together a decent 5-man heroic group, I&#039;m not ashamed of my &quot;welfare epix&quot; (and lord how I hate that term!). However, I &lt;i&gt;did&lt;/i&gt; work for my gear: I &lt;i&gt;never&lt;/i&gt; gave up in any BG, no matter how badly we were getting beat. And at the time, it was the best gear I could get.

Now, I&#039;m one of the top healers in a T5-content raiding guild, and there are no PvP pieces on my Priest except the 8K trinket (why is there no badge equivalent, anyway??). My hunter, on the other hand--who once was my main and is now forced by raid needs to be an alt, still sports several pieces of &lt;i&gt;hard-earned&lt;/i&gt; PvP gear. And when he gets to go on a 5-man heroic, or *gasp* even into Kara (but generally can&#039;t roll until Mains &amp; Alt-Specs roll), he kicks ass because I know how to play.

But I agree with the point that one doesn&#039;t really have to do anything but move once in awhile in BGs to get gear with outstanding stats. I &lt;b&gt;DISAGREE&lt;/b&gt; with the point that one doesn&#039;t have to do much more to get badge gear. If you&#039;re only getting your badges by doing SSO dailies, you&#039;ll never amass enough to get much, if anything. 

The only other way to get badge gear is through HEROIC 5-mans and raiding. I&#039;ve yet to see the heroic instance that can be routinely 4-manned, which means everyone in the group has to contribute. And yes, Kara can be 9-manned, but it ain&#039;t easy--and I&#039;m pretty certain if someone&#039;s just &quot;along for the ride&quot; they won&#039;t be for long. So I guess I don&#039;t understand the pooh-poohing of badge gear. If you can&#039;t win the rolls or the bids for raid drops, badges are certainly an excellent alternative, and not one to be ashamed of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Siobahn makes an excellent point. As someone who did some BGs for gear because our tiny guild couldn&#8217;t even put together a decent 5-man heroic group, I&#8217;m not ashamed of my &#8220;welfare epix&#8221; (and lord how I hate that term!). However, I <i>did</i> work for my gear: I <i>never</i> gave up in any BG, no matter how badly we were getting beat. And at the time, it was the best gear I could get.</p>
<p>Now, I&#8217;m one of the top healers in a T5-content raiding guild, and there are no PvP pieces on my Priest except the 8K trinket (why is there no badge equivalent, anyway??). My hunter, on the other hand&#8211;who once was my main and is now forced by raid needs to be an alt, still sports several pieces of <i>hard-earned</i> PvP gear. And when he gets to go on a 5-man heroic, or *gasp* even into Kara (but generally can&#8217;t roll until Mains &amp; Alt-Specs roll), he kicks ass because I know how to play.</p>
<p>But I agree with the point that one doesn&#8217;t really have to do anything but move once in awhile in BGs to get gear with outstanding stats. I <b>DISAGREE</b> with the point that one doesn&#8217;t have to do much more to get badge gear. If you&#8217;re only getting your badges by doing SSO dailies, you&#8217;ll never amass enough to get much, if anything. </p>
<p>The only other way to get badge gear is through HEROIC 5-mans and raiding. I&#8217;ve yet to see the heroic instance that can be routinely 4-manned, which means everyone in the group has to contribute. And yes, Kara can be 9-manned, but it ain&#8217;t easy&#8211;and I&#8217;m pretty certain if someone&#8217;s just &#8220;along for the ride&#8221; they won&#8217;t be for long. So I guess I don&#8217;t understand the pooh-poohing of badge gear. If you can&#8217;t win the rolls or the bids for raid drops, badges are certainly an excellent alternative, and not one to be ashamed of.</p>
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		<title>By: bigbearbutt</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/07/01/my-thoughts-on-pvp-gear-in-general/comment-page-2/#comment-7492</link>
		<dc:creator>bigbearbutt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 16:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lassirra... I am sorry you feel that I shouldn&#039;t have expressed myself in that way. And I really hope that you don&#039;t feel that the way I talked to him somehow means that I do not want, or value, any comment that you would feel like making.

I&#039;m thinking the core problem is, I still think of the people that come here to the blog as my friends. That&#039;s how I started and how I&#039;ve gone. When we get into a discussion on stuff, I figure it&#039;s just a bunch of friends hashing it out. 

I think that, if you look back at that article I did ranting about the talk show hosts going off on people for respecting the confederate flag, that I certainly didn&#039;t flame anyone in the comments, and most of the people that commented there were pretty explicit in stating they thought I was not only wrong, but dead wrong. Horrifically wrong. I think there were a few indications folks thought I was a clueless idiot, too. And that&#039;s fine with me, I learned quite a bit from the comments there. In many ways, I came to agree that when so many people have deeply held personal convictions about the way the confederate flag has been taken as a modern symbol of racists and bigots, that my personal respect for the people that fought at that time for what they believed was right just isn&#039;t really valid as an argument in modern times. I need to separate my respect for those that fought for their freedom, from the symbol that now is simply another rallying cry for racism. I may be slow, but I care about the opinions of my friends and try to think about what you say and adjust my own attitude if I&#039;m wrong.

This isn&#039;t the official WoW forums. I blog here because I really like the people I meet here, including you. I really do. I feel that I am among friends. And I want to hear the opinions of my friends. That&#039;s why there is no verification words or whatever to limit who can post comments. At least, there shouldn&#039;t be.

Lassirra... be honest, do you really think that I would ever shut down or belittle your opinions? Would a friend ever do that?

Maybe I&#039;m out to lunch, and the rest of you think that I&#039;m wrong, but I do think I should get to choose to say &#039;bye&#039; when I meet someone here I just don&#039;t want to hang out with. 

I just don&#039;t... I don&#039;t think of myself as being that big. This ain&#039;t an official production of the yadda yadda network, where I have to watch my mouth or the sponsors will pull their ads. Damn, if I am that big, then I need to seriously revamp my attitude, because I&#039;m being all personal and stuff here, and talking about personal non-WoW projects and throwing up funny vids I find and personal writing projects and all sorts of stuff. I never intended to share that with asshats, ever. 

Just with you folks that I think of as friends. 

If someone actually comes here to take the time to tell me I am an epeen-waving braggard that hates PvPers and is an elitist raiding snob that needs to get over himself... well, is that someone YOU want for a friend? 

I&#039;m sorry this has gotten so long. But I feel very badly that someone I enjoy chatting with and whose blog I reads and whose opinion I respect now thinks that I am all full of myself and that you don&#039;t feel comfortable commenting here anymore.

Edited, because I&#039;m at the point now that I&#039;m so burnt out I can&#039;t think straight anymore. I do apologize to you for spelling your name wrong. At least I know you&#039;re blog well. :) My 70 hunter loves it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lassirra&#8230; I am sorry you feel that I shouldn&#8217;t have expressed myself in that way. And I really hope that you don&#8217;t feel that the way I talked to him somehow means that I do not want, or value, any comment that you would feel like making.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m thinking the core problem is, I still think of the people that come here to the blog as my friends. That&#8217;s how I started and how I&#8217;ve gone. When we get into a discussion on stuff, I figure it&#8217;s just a bunch of friends hashing it out. </p>
<p>I think that, if you look back at that article I did ranting about the talk show hosts going off on people for respecting the confederate flag, that I certainly didn&#8217;t flame anyone in the comments, and most of the people that commented there were pretty explicit in stating they thought I was not only wrong, but dead wrong. Horrifically wrong. I think there were a few indications folks thought I was a clueless idiot, too. And that&#8217;s fine with me, I learned quite a bit from the comments there. In many ways, I came to agree that when so many people have deeply held personal convictions about the way the confederate flag has been taken as a modern symbol of racists and bigots, that my personal respect for the people that fought at that time for what they believed was right just isn&#8217;t really valid as an argument in modern times. I need to separate my respect for those that fought for their freedom, from the symbol that now is simply another rallying cry for racism. I may be slow, but I care about the opinions of my friends and try to think about what you say and adjust my own attitude if I&#8217;m wrong.</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t the official WoW forums. I blog here because I really like the people I meet here, including you. I really do. I feel that I am among friends. And I want to hear the opinions of my friends. That&#8217;s why there is no verification words or whatever to limit who can post comments. At least, there shouldn&#8217;t be.</p>
<p>Lassirra&#8230; be honest, do you really think that I would ever shut down or belittle your opinions? Would a friend ever do that?</p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;m out to lunch, and the rest of you think that I&#8217;m wrong, but I do think I should get to choose to say &#8216;bye&#8217; when I meet someone here I just don&#8217;t want to hang out with. </p>
<p>I just don&#8217;t&#8230; I don&#8217;t think of myself as being that big. This ain&#8217;t an official production of the yadda yadda network, where I have to watch my mouth or the sponsors will pull their ads. Damn, if I am that big, then I need to seriously revamp my attitude, because I&#8217;m being all personal and stuff here, and talking about personal non-WoW projects and throwing up funny vids I find and personal writing projects and all sorts of stuff. I never intended to share that with asshats, ever. </p>
<p>Just with you folks that I think of as friends. </p>
<p>If someone actually comes here to take the time to tell me I am an epeen-waving braggard that hates PvPers and is an elitist raiding snob that needs to get over himself&#8230; well, is that someone YOU want for a friend? </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry this has gotten so long. But I feel very badly that someone I enjoy chatting with and whose blog I reads and whose opinion I respect now thinks that I am all full of myself and that you don&#8217;t feel comfortable commenting here anymore.</p>
<p>Edited, because I&#8217;m at the point now that I&#8217;m so burnt out I can&#8217;t think straight anymore. I do apologize to you for spelling your name wrong. At least I know you&#8217;re blog well. :) My 70 hunter loves it.</p>
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