There will be people who will see that as censorship or something to additionally complain about, but the bottom line is this is a blog about a game that is supposed to be fun and enjoyable. Maybe people are using sarcasm and are joking, but it’s not coming across that way and there’s only so much constant flood of nastiness that a person can take before they start to take it personally and not as a dialogue about a game. 50+ comments and people making their own blog posts to point out how wrong they think someone is and personal emails that are vicious and nasty aren’t fun and ruin the game for our family.

So it’s time to move on. Tomorrow will be PBEM story time and then hopefully we’ll return next week with other fun game play to report on. Thanks.

Cassieann

But its a matter of opportunity. Kara runs happen, but not at times that suit, Or they may need a healer so its my t6 Pally rather then my brand new dps char. heh I cant even get my main into ZA let alone my alts because its all bear runs with a fairly tight class makeup and 20 people want spots.

Mike PVE isnt allways easymode. Pug Gruul that been wiping on Gruul, the call went out for help in Guild chat and we supplied a t4 offtank, 3 t6 healers and 2 t6 dps. Easymode yes? Dps kept dieing, maintank kept dieing and it called 5 more wipes later, and no the average player isnt geared past Mags. The average high end raider is but not the average player. As for drops random is random. Yes I got my t4 pants for alt(and banked them) 1st run, but t4 chest? still rolling 7 runs later.

Thank you for the interesting discusions and digressions bigbearbutt

Seriously, I’m tired. Okay? I’m tired. I thought that I would be credited with not being an anti-PvP hater, of having an open mind about the topic, and instead I feel beat to shit. So please… you win. Okay? I’m tired of the personal emails about this. You win. okay? And for those of you that kept on topic… thank you. Thank you very much, I think that you’ve got some great ideas about different ways to try and balance the PvE gear to help new raiders get up to speed quicker.

Where? Quote it, please.

Rerolled a priest alliance side, cleared Kara, went through gruuls, mags, early ssc. guild fell apart. moved on.

rerolled hunter alliance side, currently 52, planning to get to 70 and start the process over again….

Kinda sounds like what you were saying about alts, Lol.

Hopefully it will be much better in the expansion.

Would you take that experience away from her because she got all that gear so easily? Should people who PvP a lot be upset that they will have to put in a lot more time to get that much equivalent PvP gear?

Just because PvE people don’t like PvPing, or the system, doesn’t mean that those who do enjoy it should have their fun sucked out of it. Making the gear much harder to obtain is not a really viable solution, IMO. And the Arena gear with requirements? That is about the furthest thing from “easy” as you can get.

I like doing both pvp and pve, and since I’m a feral, I consider it a bonus that a couple pieces of pvp gear are great for tanking. Not a source of anger. Resilience just benefits ferals more than most.

It’s hard to talk about this without making peole upset, loot in WoW seems to stir up more trouble than it should. Love your blog and love reading your stuff.

The problem is that i can get into a kara group, but anything beyond that is impossible. I don’t have time to run 25 mans every night, and I don’t expect those that do to take me on a charity run every once in a while. That’s messed up, because I’ve hit a brick wall where there is no where to go for progression. The only alternative is to create another alt, and gear him up by doing the exact same things over and over.

I think things will be better in the next expansion when there is a 10 man path. Hopefully we will get to a point where the first 10 man is easymode, and we can all move on to pug the second one. And so on, and so on.

The heroics were a good idea, but frankly they are too hard and take too long for what you get. By the time you are geared up enough for them, you don’t really want anything from them. So its hard to find a competent group, unless its for the daily, and even that is just for badges.

The problem as I see it, is one of perception. If you want one or two pieces of PvP gear, you can get them “easily”. If you want to be a true PvPer, get a complete outfit, trinkets, etc… don’t tell me it’s easy. It takes a ton of time, and guess what… you spend that much time and you’re going to know how to play.

The perception is that somehow PvE is “better”, but my experience is that isn’t true. The number of people in raids, getting loot with a minimum of effort and with no real clue what they’re doing, is pretty high. The only thing that makes PvE seem harder is the number of people involved.

And really, this has turned people into loot whores. The point of a raiding guilid is NOT supposed to be phat lewts. It’s supposed to be working together to get the skills needed to see content. The point of PvP is to put in a lot of hours to be able to kill other players dead. That some loot transfers both ways, and is “easier” to get at times, shouldn’t really be a source of so much angst. Either be a purist and stick to your one track, or take advantage that there are two kinds of gear.

PvP is a mostly solitary endevor, and one person is getting the gear. If you try to make it as “hard” and as “long” for one person pvping, as it is for 25 plus raiders to get similar gear… that’s just unrealistic. And a little elitist.

@BBB: You don’t have to be in T5 to have kara on easy mode. My warrior’s tanking gear comes solely from kara, and we can clear it without wiping in about 3 hours. There are kara pugs on my server all the time; I usually run it with 2-3 friends and the rest pugs. And I’m not much of a raider — I’ve done gruuls twice, mag once, never been to ZA.

Maybe its because I play on a launch server. Its not the T5 that makes kara easy mode; its the experience.

Another thing is that you(BBB) have a slightly skewed opinion here as a druid. Feral druids are the only class that gets any pve value out of resilience, so those shoulders look better to you than they would to any other class. Go look at maxdps.com for mages; almost every s2 piece has multiple kara stuff that is much better. Some kara pieces are even better than the s4 gear.