Interesting article by Scott Andrew’s in Officers Quarters on WoW Insider last night. The email he quotes raised some issues I’ve been seeing on the WoW Forums lately.
The first part of the article simply indicates that a lot of progression-oriented guilds seem to be hemorraging players that are losing interest in hardcore raiding right now.
I’ve seen the effects of this on the WoW Forums, guilds that are either breaking up entirely, or are starting to really ratchet up recruiting efforts to get back on track.
It’s the summer. I think most players… and it’s an assumption based on my own experiences, it’s true, but I think most players are in the 16 to 24 age group. And at least for me, summertime during those years… I didn’t spend a whole lot of time indoors. Fall, Winter, early Spring, indoors, but Summer?
Summer during those years for me was the time to get out and play volleyball, go surfing, play rugby, do some solo me-vs-wall speed racquetball (a good way to go for a heart attack at my age, btw), go rock climbing or simply kick back with friends around a bonfire in the desert as dusk falls and have some beer and BBQ.
It’s Summer! Am I supposed to be surprised progression guilds, Hell ANY guild, are going to lose some players for a little while?
A discussion topic related to this would be, and was brought up in the article, “Are hardcore raiders losing heart now that level 80 raids are coming closer?”
It’s a good question… but one I’m not going to talk about. Something else caught my eye.
The email Scott got was from the leader of an old, established casual fun guild that has had a bunch of former members abandon their hardcore progression guilds and want to come back and have fun in a friendly environment… and the guild leader is worried these guys are going to leave again just as soon as the expansion comes out.
These people started playing in his guild, got geared up and ready, and then left to join a new guild and play with different people. And now they are tired of raiding and want to come back.
I’m curious what Chick GM would think of this subject, from any angle, but I want to talk about my opinion from the point of view of the GM of a guild of players dedicated to fun, family, friends and horsing around…
What we have in our guild is a special, precious, and unique thing. We don’t take new members based on progression goals, and we don’t make people put all their toons in Sidhe Devils.
I want to say that again. We don’t try to make people put all their characters in Sidhe Devils.
But if someone parks an alt in our guild and then never, ever plays it while they spend tons of time on their main in a raiding guild… we know where you want to be, and we’ll eventually remove the alt. It’ll take several months of ‘has not logged in since xxxx’ and total silence while we see you spending every night in SSC or The Eye in another guild, or just being gone on your main on another server, but sooner or later we’ll get around to it.
We only want people in Sidhe Devils that want to be there. We only want to play with friends. Otherwise, whats the point?
Once you’ve chosen to move on… don’t be looking to come back. You made your choice.
You are the one that decided that you would rather play with other people than with us. Well, following that awareness of where we all stand, we decided that we’d rather move on and forget you too.
Kinda sounds like a 20-something relationship, doesn’t it?
“It’s been fun but I’m too young to be tied down. I think we should see other people.”
‘Well, if you decide you want to play around, don’t expect me to welcome you back into my bed.”
I’m not talking about taking a break for a while from the game, either. Real Life comes first, remember?
If a guildie came on our forums and said, “Hey, summers here guys, so I’m probably not going to be playing all that much for the next several months…” Well, heck… my response to that is, “Awesome, we’ll all miss you, but drop into the forums once and a while and let us know what hijinks you’re getting up to! Pics please! Have fun and get a tan! Look forward to seeing you again soon!”
No, I am specifically talking about a player who makes the decision that they would rather spend all their play time playing with other people in another guild, for whatever reason. Normally, it’s to seek out progression and new lootz.
Well, guess what? Once you get tired of raiding all the time, or of doing whatever… when you finally remember that you actually used to have fun playing with ‘that other guild’, we will have long ago made the decision that we would rather play with our friends, and not with you.
A few other points were raised in Scott’s article, about “But what if he has high-end gear now, and experience in the more advanced content, and could help our guild?”
My counter-question is… help your guild in what way? He’s not a friend you can trust, so the only help he could provide would be to help you advance your progression.
That changes things, doesn’t it? Because if he left your progression guild to go somewhere else that’s more hardcore and succeed, and now he wants to come back, is it because he REALLY wants to play with you? Or is it because he couldn’t take the stress of playing with the big boys or their schedule, and now wants to come back and be the big fish in a pond full of minnows?
Any time you consider accepting a new member based on what he or she can do for your guild’s progression rather than on their merits as a person and potential new friend of the guild, you’re making an interesting choice, aren’t you?
If you seriously consider taking someone into your guild that you don’t really WANT to play with, because of their gear or knowledge or skill or class, then stop calling yourself a fun, friendly, casual guild.
You’re a progression guild. You might ALSO be fun, friendly, and casual, you might not have enjoyed much success in progression yet, or have a heavy raiding schedule, but you’re making recruitment choices based on progression goals. End of story.
It’s something I think that is critical for every GM and officer to think about.
How do you truly, in your heart, make your decisions when you invite someone into your guild?
That question, in my mind, holds the key to whether or not you take someone back.
But enough about me… what do you folks think?
For the raiders out there, does the thought that your old, casual guild might not want your T6 wearing butt back bother you? Did it ever even occur to you that a guild wouldn’t want to play with you no matter what gear you wear? Or did you think that you were so l33t that any guild would love to take you in on bended knee?
“OMIGAWD, he raids Black Temple and Sunwell! And he wants to join our guild? We got to take him! He is uber! He could totally carry us through SSC!”
Seriously, you KNOW it’s been said, or thought, by some GMs and players.
I’m really curious….
If you moved to a hardcore raiding guild from a casual one, have you stayed friends and continued to play with and have fun with your old guildies?
Or did you move on, and never look back?