Hold on to your hats, folks.
I am just… I can hardly contain myself.
Where to start, where to start.
Last night, I’m on my wee level 22 Shaman alt, cruising through Exodar. My intention? A little romp towards 23.
I see a name from the past in the Trade channel. Lavabird (who I’ve never heard of before), is spamming Trade recruiting for Green Dragonflight. Great guild, they claim, no worries, no cares, no website or vent, just fun and no officer drama.
And someone mentions that they are also ninjas. Didn’t recognize the name, but I lol’ed. I remember the history all too well.
And Lavabird vehemently denies it, and then starts making fun of the ‘lamer’ that claimed they were ninjas.
So I asked, in Trade (which was really not a nice thing, I realized that after I sent it. I should have whispered. I was a drama llama. I should have whispered. Bad bear.) if Thesphinx was still the Guild Leader of Green Dragonflight.
Lavabird said, “Yes”.
So I replied, still in Trade, “Then yes, they ninja. Thesphinx at least is a ninja.”
That statement started a very long 45 minutes. Because I then got whispered, constantly, by Lavabird demanding I provide screenshots, links, proof, a complete rundown of all events, the timeline, witnesses, and every time I brought anything up, it was immediately cast aside or twisted as they moved on to something else to demand.
Now, you can all be forgiven for having NO EARTHLY IDEA what I’m talking about.
But that’s okay, because thanks to the miracle of the internet, you can either read my recap which follows immediately after these three links, or you can read the original posts themselves starting with the following post… made on November 27th of 2007.
Once you’ve gone back and read that, you could read the follow up post from two days later, the 29th, called “Wait, he said WHAT now?” and finally the grand reveal, where we find out that it was Wewillfearyou, Haruki and Ikurah who were the ninjas in the post titled “Guild Drama: Endgame.”
Are you back? Ready for the quick recap?
Recap! Last Thanksgiving, a Kara run was made over two nights. On night one, Group 2 cleared through Curator. On night two, they logged in to find that someone using the Raid ID had gone in, wiped repeatedly on Illhoof, and then gone on to clear to and complete Chess, looting the box.
In our asking around, Kaziral from Green Dragonflight contacted Joppers, taunting him with being the one who had shared the Raid ID, and laughed saying there was no way that we would learn who in Legatum his main was. Later, Thesphinx from Green Dragonflight contacted Joppers several times to laugh at him, and ask him if he’d figured out who our ‘traitor’ had been. thesphinx admitetd to Joppers that he went on the run, and then was wierd enough to expect to be welcomed into a Legatum Kara run after that, displaying very strange, out-there thinking.
About a week later, Wewillfearyou, Ikurah and Haruki, all characters that were either multiboxed by one person, or, as had been told to us by them on thier apps, toons of a husband and wife team, left Legatum to join Green Dragonflight. They had been on the Kara raid that had ended up being looted. The officers of Legatum decided that, as far as we were concerned, this was proof enough that they were the ‘traitors’, and we considered the case closed.
Later that same day, I was invited into a PUG to tank by Haruki… and when I told them I don’t raid with ninjas, Haruki admitted to sharing the Raid ID with Green Dragonflight and going in there, but claimed to have had no intention of ninjaing anything.
I thanked Haruki for verifying for us that they WERE the guild members that shared the Raid ID, and put them on /ignore.
Fast forward to a week ago, 9 months after all this drama was flushed, and I get an in-game whisper in the middle of Kara from Ikurah… demanding to know how I knew them. Seriously. Whispering ME out of the blue demanding to know how I knew THEM.
And hey, it’s been… what, 9 months? The name Ikurah rang no bells.
So I ask what they’re talking about, and they said that they saw in a forum post, I had told Thesphinx to “say hi to Ikurah for me”. So HOW did I know Ikurah?
LOL! Ding ding ding! Now that is ringing some bells!
Well, that certainly brought back memories. So I responded that I knew them from when we were in Legatum together, and they had stolen a Raid ID for Kara and shared it with Thesphinx, and ninjaed a Chess event from a Legatum raid.
And the denials came so fast, and so adamant, and the claims that I am a lying no good worthless bastard, that they never did that and I don’t know what I’m talking about.
Well… if I only had my memory of events to rely on, I guess you might think you could convince me my memory was faulty. As it is… I guess you could say I checked my online diary… and it said, on the 29th of November, Ikurah = ninja. From his/her own lips. If you can’t remember what lies you have told people over the last year, I guess it gets tough to keep ‘em straight, huh? Bye bye. And I put them on /ignore. And they come back online immediately with Wewillfearyou, and continue telling me I’d better shut up, they don’t even like Thesphinx, I’m a liar, so nice try, kid. Yes, he called me kid. That ‘putting you in your place, child’ thing always makes me lol, when it’s done by a moron getting busted like that.
By the way… we’d always wondered if Haruki, Ikurah and Wewillfearyou were all the same person or not. Thanks for that confirmation with the fast character switching… son.
So that explains why the events of last November were suddenly fresh on my mind. I was wondering why Ikurah had only recently seen the WoW Kael’thas Forum post? Did they apply to a guild and get refused for being a ninja? Yep, it brought it all back.
Recap over! Now we return to recent events and my discussion with Lavabird of Green Dragonflight last night.
Early on I apologized to Lavabird for calling Green Dragonflight ninjas in the Trade channel, since the only person we had absolute proof of that was still in the guild was Thesphinx, who had admitted it. Well, and Kaziral too, but it was Thesphinx’s antics afterwards that had impressed all of us. We tended to forget about Kaziral, after Thesphinx spent so much time taunting Joppers. Which, I’m sorry, was wierd.
But, as Thesphinx was, by Lavabird’s admission, still the GL and ‘A great player and a wonderful person’, I still stood by my belief that new players unfamiliar with server history deserved to be warned of the lack of scruples their Guild Leader had. Oh yeah, and Lavabird was adamant about Thesphinxes innocense.. but then tells me they (Lavabird) has only been in the guild for two months.
Having just looked it up on Warcraft Realms just now, well… Lavabird, that would seem to be a lie. A pretty big one, since Warcraft Realms shows you’ve been in Green Dragonflight since July 27th of 2007. Ever since level 10, as a matter of fact. And, hmm… that would mean you were active in the guild during Thanksgiving… makes your adamant digging for me to give you everything I could get by way of facts and proof seem more like a guilty man trying to figure out how strong your case is, doesn’t it?
Well, at the time I took you on face value, and believed your claim to be a relatively new member, unaware of your guilds’ history. It’s why I was so very patient and polite.
Of course, Lavabird was having absolutely none of it… but refused to make any effort to go follow up the sources I told them to. No, it was my responsibility to hand them everything about the history of their guild on a silver platter.
I got sick of it, frankly. I blew enough of my life on Green Dragonflight last year.
So I told Lavabird that it was their responsibility to clear thier own guild’s reputation, if it mattered to them so strongly.
I told Lavabird that, as I am not in Legatum Ignavis anymore, and therefore I am no longer an officer, member, or in any way a person that speaks for the opinions or concerns of the officers of Legatum, that if Lavabird wants more information, they should contact Whirlish the Guild Leader, Joppers the Raid Leader and person who actually HAD the original conversation WITH Thesphinx where Thesphinx had admitted ninja’ing the raid in the first place and had gloated about it, or go to the Official WoW Kael’thas (US) forums to read the old necromantic thread.
And then I put Lavabird on /ignore.
One minute later I get a whisper from Coldwave… Lavabirds alt. Boy, Coldwave goes back with Green Dragonflight to December of 2006. Wow, we’re up to almost two years with Green Dragonflight… “only two months in the guild” my big bear butt.
Coldwave insists on picking right back up for 20 more minutes of argueing and demanding proof. So we continue, me telling them to read the forum thread, talk to Whirlish, talk to Joppers, leave me alone. And no, I won’t retract my statements, because it is the truth… no, it’s not my job to go any further than to tell you to go talk to Whirlish, go talk to Joppers, go read the thread.
And I put Coldwave on /ignore.
And a minute later, I get whispered by alt #3, Truthe. Apparently, a below-10 alt.
And again… this time, I tell them that I am seriously done. They are clearly being a troll, and I do not get intimidated by anyone. I don’t want to hear it, go talk to the officers of Legatum. I tell them if they want to talk to me, they had better follow up with someone else first, and have something new to say other than “you’re wrong”.
And Truthe tells me they are whispering Joppers right now.
I checked my friends list… Joppers was indeed online, in Mount Hyjal at the moment. So Truthe was going to whisper the Raid Leader in the middle of Mount Hyjal to demand facts and proof from last Thanksgiving about Thesphinx.
I love the WoW Community, sometimes. I really do.
And a few minutes later, I get a final set of whispers from Truthe I had to share…
Having read all of this so far, and if you’ve read this blog for awhile you know how much I admire Joppers, and as far as I know, so does everyone else that has ever known him, you’re going to love this. This, after whispering and getting responses from a Raid Leader in Mount Hyjal, after demanding info from him about an event 9 months ago, a conversation that lasted less than two minutes because that is how long it took Truthe to tell me this;
Truthe whispers me this;
So I laugh long and hard at this… I mean, I suppose if you assume I don’t know Joppers, or that I wasn’t actually there, that this might serve to send a wedge in… but again, Blogger. I documented everything. It’s what I do, I blog about every stupid little thing I do.
I had the final chat with Ikurah where she admitted it, remember? I not just thought, I KNEW that Thesphinx had intentionally ninjaed the Kara Chess event. Which, let’s face it… is absolutely meaningsless. God, people clear Kara in 2 hours these days, it’s CHESS. Get over it!
The only point I was making in the first place was, Thesphinx is a ninja. It’s what he did. And if you are recruiting new players unaware of the history of your guild and the moral character of your Guild Leader, they have a right to know what they can expect from him.
He ninjaed it. Intentionally. You can’t undo it.
You can ask forgiveness, and you can apologize, and you can try to make amends… none of which he has ever done… but you can’t take it back once you’ve done it.
Look, let’s take an analogy about moral character I like to use just to make a point, when younger people like my brother start talking about grey areas of morality. It’s an analogy, and thus should be taken with a grain of salt… but it makes a point.
And what I’ve told my brother is, there is a HUGE difference between a man telling his wife “I’ll never, ever hit you”, and a man telling his wife “I’ll never, ever hit you AGAIN.”
Once that line has been crossed, you can’t take a step back. It’s done. Your credibility is SHOT.
And of course, if the person doesn’t say “I’ll never hit you again”, if instead they say “Oh, it didn’t hurt you that much, stop whining”… well, you get the idea. Screw them, life is too short for those mind games.
Anyway, so now, after screenshotting that for comedy gold to share with Joppers later, I put Truthe on /ignore.
Green Dragonflight has now stolen another 45 minutes of my life. That’s 45 minutes I am never getting back.
So Occulus comes online. Occulus was in Legatum back in those days, remembers the entire sequence of events VERY well, and on his main Teysa, he still plays in Legatum Ignavis. He kind of hangs out with us sometimes, just to shoot the breeze. But he has very much gotten back into running with Legatum. He’s a hardcore Gnomish King.
And I share all this glorious ‘are you kidding me’ BS with Occulus… and like me, the bit about Joppers lying to us all the time and throwing the poor, misunderstood innocent Thesphinx under the bus had him in stitches.
But it gets better!
OMIGOD, is there a payoff coming!
What, you didn’t think that was all I had for you! Oh HELL no!
See, I just then get whispered by… Thesphinx!
And Thesphinx whispers to me, “I understand you’re claiming I’m a ninja” or words to that effect…
And now I’m done. I am NOT going to begin the same damn thing with Thesphinx. I just blew 45 minutes on Lavabird/Coldwave/Truthe, I ain’t going around the horn with a worthless ninja 9 months after the fact! He did it! You can’t go back in time and change events! He bragged about it!
So I tell Occulus in guild chat I just got whispered by Thesphinx demanding to know why I’m claiming he’s a ninja, and could Occulus, please pretty please just go unload on him and get him off my butt?
And Occulus says that he will do just that.
And the following are screenshots of part of the conversation Thesphinx had with Occulus last night… apparently, Thesphinx had a case of the runs, verbal variety. A MASSIVE case of opening up, a torrent of self justifications and whining and bragging.
Occulus says he has no idea why, people just open up to him all the time. And it’s true, I’ve seen people admit the wierdest shit to that gnome dude.
In the conversation with Occulus, Thesphinx supplied all the facts, unprovoked, of his own free will, that we had already worked out 9 months before.
I think these are two of the most relevant, tasty little bits, Lavabird;
Just hold that thought for a second.
Roll the taste of ‘busted!’ around in your mouth.
Doesn’t that taste mighty fine?
Now… tell me something, gentle readers.
There are lots of justifications given, of course. As you can see, one that Thesphinx was using was, the server was going to reset soon, so he figured it was a dead instance anyway, and Haruki was doing it anyway, and he was just tagging along.
The fact that it was scheduled for a night two, as Haruki knew damn well, of course had nothing to do with it. Or the fact, excuse me for dragging this out, that by the facts of the case as documented on my blog… Legatum group 2 had killed Curator on Saturday night… and on Sunday night when Legatum Group 2 went in, Chess was already done.
So Haruki and Thesphinx went into a ‘dead’ Kara raid that was about to rollover? Wow, they had a pretty tight time window though, didn’t they? They had to do it either very late on Saturday night or very early on Sunday. Not quite the same as a Monday night ‘just before reset’ run, now is it?
And Haruki isn’t portrayed as a very passive person in all this, are they? can you say ‘thrown under the bus’?
Of course, it would probably have helped Thesphinx if he hadn’t spent a week after the ninja whispering Joppers, and asking him if he’d figured out who the traitor was yet. Kinda defeats the whole ‘I didn’t know I was ninjaing’ thing, doesn’t it?
I want to thank Occulus, who struggled with a brand new keyboard to figure out how to work the F-Lock to get Screen capture working before those whispers from Thesphinx got pushed off the screen, all the while having me growling at him that he’d better bring me a screenie of THAT conversation for my blog, OR ELSE.
I want to also thank Haruki/Ikurah/Wewillfearyou and Thesphinx, ninjas the both of them, for providing me with so much amusement. You are all r-tards. Without you, the server would be a better place.