Comments on: Expertise and the Swing Timer http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/09/23/expertise-and-the-swing-timer/ Feral Druids in World of Warcraft Thu, 18 Mar 2010 20:26:44 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Galvin http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/09/23/expertise-and-the-swing-timer/comment-page-1/#comment-10064 Galvin Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:21:54 +0000 http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/09/23/expertise-and-the-swing-timer/#comment-10064 I have a hard time understanding why people say "hit rating isn't important to bear tanks". Why not? If it's important to DPS then it should be just as important to bears, if not MORE so. Bears generate threat from our high AP hits, unlike Warriors and Pallys who have Righteous Fury and Sunder as their main threat generation abilities. So from a threat standpoint, reaching the 142 hit cap is desired but even more importantly is not getting instagib'd on bosses like Prince. In 1.5 years of raiding Karazhan, I've seen many-a-bear get instagib'd in less than a second by prince being a healer. The problem is, as a bear tank I find it hard, if not impossible to get anywhere close to the hit cap or even stack expertise. I have to gem almost exclusively for hit rating (yellow sockets anyway) but I'm still well below the hit cap. Garona's ring? I wish, have to use Stalwart Defender and Violet Signet. Shard of contempt? Hmm, 44 expertise and some AP or 57 STA non-bear and a free mini-shield-wall? Badge of Tenacity is a permanent member folks. If there was a +hit and +expertise gem, you can bet your @ss I'd use them. Paladins don't have to worry about hit rating, the only thing that uses that is their auto-swing, big deal. Warriors are in the same boat as us. I've been tanking heroic bosses just fine but they're only 72 elites. What have you guys done to get around this and is it as big of a problem as I'm making it? Keep in mind, my bear isn't quite ready to MT yet, 5k rep from Earthwarden. I have a hard time understanding why people say “hit rating isn’t important to bear tanks”. Why not? If it’s important to DPS then it should be just as important to bears, if not MORE so. Bears generate threat from our high AP hits, unlike Warriors and Pallys who have Righteous Fury and Sunder as their main threat generation abilities. So from a threat standpoint, reaching the 142 hit cap is desired but even more importantly is not getting instagib’d on bosses like Prince. In 1.5 years of raiding Karazhan, I’ve seen many-a-bear get instagib’d in less than a second by prince being a healer.

The problem is, as a bear tank I find it hard, if not impossible to get anywhere close to the hit cap or even stack expertise. I have to gem almost exclusively for hit rating (yellow sockets anyway) but I’m still well below the hit cap. Garona’s ring? I wish, have to use Stalwart Defender and Violet Signet. Shard of contempt? Hmm, 44 expertise and some AP or 57 STA non-bear and a free mini-shield-wall? Badge of Tenacity is a permanent member folks.

If there was a +hit and +expertise gem, you can bet your @ss I’d use them. Paladins don’t have to worry about hit rating, the only thing that uses that is their auto-swing, big deal. Warriors are in the same boat as us. I’ve been tanking heroic bosses just fine but they’re only 72 elites. What have you guys done to get around this and is it as big of a problem as I’m making it? Keep in mind, my bear isn’t quite ready to MT yet, 5k rep from Earthwarden.

]]> By: Cy http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/09/23/expertise-and-the-swing-timer/comment-page-1/#comment-10046 Cy Tue, 23 Sep 2008 21:42:32 +0000 http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/09/23/expertise-and-the-swing-timer/#comment-10046 So that's what all of us DPS 'n' healz look like during the Prince fight, eh? You look so lonely out there all by yourself.... So that’s what all of us DPS ‘n’ healz look like during the Prince fight, eh? You look so lonely out there all by yourself….

]]> By: Toon http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/09/23/expertise-and-the-swing-timer/comment-page-1/#comment-10040 Toon Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:44:45 +0000 http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/09/23/expertise-and-the-swing-timer/#comment-10040 The Shard from H MgT is technically not a direct dps trinket like the Mug/Broach, but it increases dps when they can't parry/dodge. If we are talking dps...going to assume cat...2 of the best combination are Berzerker's Call+Shard. Tuketi. Yes there are very few hit leather gear w/ a lot of armor. One item comes to mind is the crafted Natural Grace boots have high armor and includes hit rating. I wouldnt worry about hit+ to much as a tank though. The Shard from H MgT is technically not a direct dps trinket like the Mug/Broach, but it increases dps when they can’t parry/dodge. If we are talking dps…going to assume cat…2 of the best combination are Berzerker’s Call+Shard.

Tuketi. Yes there are very few hit leather gear w/ a lot of armor. One item comes to mind is the crafted Natural Grace boots have high armor and includes hit rating. I wouldnt worry about hit+ to much as a tank though.

]]> By: Tuketi http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/09/23/expertise-and-the-swing-timer/comment-page-1/#comment-10036 Tuketi Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:00:09 +0000 http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/09/23/expertise-and-the-swing-timer/#comment-10036 I've been trying to incorporate hit rating and expertise into my tanking gear... the problem is that it's generally only on rogue / cat gear... very tough to find tank leather with those stats on it. :/ I’ve been trying to incorporate hit rating and expertise into my tanking gear… the problem is that it’s generally only on rogue / cat gear… very tough to find tank leather with those stats on it. :/

]]> By: Hp http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/09/23/expertise-and-the-swing-timer/comment-page-1/#comment-10035 Hp Tue, 23 Sep 2008 16:41:13 +0000 http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/09/23/expertise-and-the-swing-timer/#comment-10035 I saw someone mention the expertise cap, it's actually pretty high. The cap is an effective cap which usually refers th the 5.6% needed to remove dodge. You actually still have a long way to go to remove the usual 15% parry, which is usually what a boss will have. I saw someone mention the expertise cap, it’s actually pretty high. The cap is an effective cap which usually refers th the 5.6% needed to remove dodge. You actually still have a long way to go to remove the usual 15% parry, which is usually what a boss will have.

]]> By: bigbearbutt http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/09/23/expertise-and-the-swing-timer/comment-page-1/#comment-10032 bigbearbutt Tue, 23 Sep 2008 16:07:36 +0000 http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/09/23/expertise-and-the-swing-timer/#comment-10032 Ah, I know now why I wasn't thinking of that trinket from MgT. Cassie emailed me to inform me that it will be HER trinket, and I'd better keep my paws off it. Ah, I know now why I wasn’t thinking of that trinket from MgT.

Cassie emailed me to inform me that it will be HER trinket, and I’d better keep my paws off it.

]]> By: Burahaka http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/09/23/expertise-and-the-swing-timer/comment-page-1/#comment-10031 Burahaka Tue, 23 Sep 2008 16:07:32 +0000 http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/09/23/expertise-and-the-swing-timer/#comment-10031 There's also the badge neck with hit and expertise, The Brooch of Deftness. There’s also the badge neck with hit and expertise, The Brooch of Deftness.

]]> By: Kirk http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/09/23/expertise-and-the-swing-timer/comment-page-1/#comment-10030 Kirk Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:59:55 +0000 http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/09/23/expertise-and-the-swing-timer/#comment-10030 But, but, but, Mitch, of COURSE you're all going to casually go in and knock Entropius in the head. (grin). But, but, but, Mitch, of COURSE you’re all going to casually go in and knock Entropius in the head. (grin).

]]> By: ARA http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/09/23/expertise-and-the-swing-timer/comment-page-1/#comment-10029 ARA Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:45:19 +0000 http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/09/23/expertise-and-the-swing-timer/#comment-10029 Thanks for bringing expertise up again BBB. I too have been thinking of playing around with threat stats. I know threat gets more important in late t6, which we're not at yet - but ya never know... still got 6 weeks left. I dont seem to need the armor & health so much these days, since, as you've say, our healers are very well geared too. The shard is a nice trinket; I've never used it yet for tanking, and druids do seem to pump out the threat. But I'm interested how the game would change on specific fights with a lot more expertise & hit. Armor is a weird stat tbh once you get to 35k; I just dont think we need that much armor to be effective. Nice article on wow insider btw. You're mcuh too modest, why dont you advertise your articles more explicity ???!!!! Thanks for bringing expertise up again BBB. I too have been thinking of playing around with threat stats. I know threat gets more important in late t6, which we’re not at yet – but ya never know… still got 6 weeks left. I dont seem to need the armor & health so much these days, since, as you’ve say, our healers are very well geared too. The shard is a nice trinket; I’ve never used it yet for tanking, and druids do seem to pump out the threat. But I’m interested how the game would change on specific fights with a lot more expertise & hit. Armor is a weird stat tbh once you get to 35k; I just dont think we need that much armor to be effective.

Nice article on wow insider btw. You’re mcuh too modest, why dont you advertise your articles more explicity ???!!!!

]]> By: Morthog http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/09/23/expertise-and-the-swing-timer/comment-page-1/#comment-10028 Morthog Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:12:35 +0000 http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/09/23/expertise-and-the-swing-timer/#comment-10028 Funny you should mention this topic of expertise as I've been 'thrashing' (pun intended) on wearing that SSO Resolve neck (vs untamed/maiden's) specifically for our prince encounters. I've been trying to quantify the expertise and dodge proc since I'm aldor vs the known fixed dodge/defense out of my other necks. Any information that helps for Phase II always has my interest :) Funny you should mention this topic of expertise as I’ve been ‘thrashing’ (pun intended) on wearing that SSO Resolve neck (vs untamed/maiden’s) specifically for our prince encounters. I’ve been trying to quantify the expertise and dodge proc since I’m aldor vs the known fixed dodge/defense out of my other necks. Any information that helps for Phase II always has my interest :)

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