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	<title>Comments on: Tanking tragedy and triumph in 3.0.2</title>
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		<title>By: oyy</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/10/16/tanking-tragedy-and-triumph-in-302/comment-page-1/#comment-11037</link>
		<dc:creator>oyy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 13:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the reason you are having issues with rage on your initial pull is due to the fact you have no points in intensity, so your loosing out on 10 rage when you pop enrage(3/3 intensity), at first i had the same issue and ended up respeccing out of frustration</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the reason you are having issues with rage on your initial pull is due to the fact you have no points in intensity, so your loosing out on 10 rage when you pop enrage(3/3 intensity), at first i had the same issue and ended up respeccing out of frustration</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/10/16/tanking-tragedy-and-triumph-in-302/comment-page-1/#comment-10675</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 08:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say it struck me as odd that you have rage problems at the start of the pull. I&#039;ve got 45% dodge and with the new talent (can&#039;t remember the name, too lazy to look it up) that generates rage when you dodge, i find myself with a full bar of rage when i normaly just struggled before the patch. As a general feeling, it seems i have less rage problems than before.

About the maul glyph: It&#039;s good but with a twist: if you AOE tank and just breeze through instances, you can get it cause the damage is still better than swipe. If you need to crowd control some pulls, maybe it&#039;s not such a good ideea to use the glyph. It really worked against me at Malacrass where we sheeped the Ogre and i kept pounding him because he was too close to malacrass. Mage had to sheep through the entire fight, cause we were in a pug and i didn&#039;t get a chance to tell him to stop it. 

Anyway, the way they nerfed everything is just silly: my guild had problems killing Malacrass before but this weekend i managed to complete Zul&#039;Aman in 1.5 hours with 3 kara geared guildies and 6 no-so-bright outsiders. 

Good thing Wrath comes, otherwise this would get borring really fast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say it struck me as odd that you have rage problems at the start of the pull. I&#8217;ve got 45% dodge and with the new talent (can&#8217;t remember the name, too lazy to look it up) that generates rage when you dodge, i find myself with a full bar of rage when i normaly just struggled before the patch. As a general feeling, it seems i have less rage problems than before.</p>
<p>About the maul glyph: It&#8217;s good but with a twist: if you AOE tank and just breeze through instances, you can get it cause the damage is still better than swipe. If you need to crowd control some pulls, maybe it&#8217;s not such a good ideea to use the glyph. It really worked against me at Malacrass where we sheeped the Ogre and i kept pounding him because he was too close to malacrass. Mage had to sheep through the entire fight, cause we were in a pug and i didn&#8217;t get a chance to tell him to stop it. </p>
<p>Anyway, the way they nerfed everything is just silly: my guild had problems killing Malacrass before but this weekend i managed to complete Zul&#8217;Aman in 1.5 hours with 3 kara geared guildies and 6 no-so-bright outsiders. </p>
<p>Good thing Wrath comes, otherwise this would get borring really fast.</p>
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		<title>By: Gwyd</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/10/16/tanking-tragedy-and-triumph-in-302/comment-page-1/#comment-10660</link>
		<dc:creator>Gwyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 19:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The unit frame mod is Pitbull.

@BBB - What is the mod for marking mobs?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The unit frame mod is Pitbull.</p>
<p>@BBB &#8211; What is the mod for marking mobs?</p>
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		<title>By: Earendil</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/10/16/tanking-tragedy-and-triumph-in-302/comment-page-1/#comment-10657</link>
		<dc:creator>Earendil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 15:43:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What mods are you using to change the party icons from the defaults?  And I assume the lucky charms bar is another mod that speeds marking?  Which mod is that?

BTW, you can move the stoopid minimap bolt icon thing (that lets you configure Ace mods) by *very* carefully approaching it from the top until you are just hovering over it and not the tracking icon under it, then right-clicking and moving it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What mods are you using to change the party icons from the defaults?  And I assume the lucky charms bar is another mod that speeds marking?  Which mod is that?</p>
<p>BTW, you can move the stoopid minimap bolt icon thing (that lets you configure Ace mods) by *very* carefully approaching it from the top until you are just hovering over it and not the tracking icon under it, then right-clicking and moving it.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarai</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/10/16/tanking-tragedy-and-triumph-in-302/comment-page-1/#comment-10650</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 13:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My guild did Kara right after the patch too, &amp; we did a full clear, first ever as a guild. :D
Finished it in I think about 3 hours, wasn&#039;t really paying attention to the time. 
My NE boomkin was having a blast AOE&#039;ing everything in sight. No cooldown on hurricane rocks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My guild did Kara right after the patch too, &amp; we did a full clear, first ever as a guild. :D<br />
Finished it in I think about 3 hours, wasn&#8217;t really paying attention to the time.<br />
My NE boomkin was having a blast AOE&#8217;ing everything in sight. No cooldown on hurricane rocks.</p>
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		<title>By: Ancasta</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/10/16/tanking-tragedy-and-triumph-in-302/comment-page-1/#comment-10643</link>
		<dc:creator>Ancasta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 03:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another great article! Thanks. 

All your posts and tips have really helped out my tanking and general Druiding experiences. And darn enjoyable to read :)

Looking at your screenshot, I was wondering what mod/addon you are using for your Party info. I like the way it showed everyone Target and the clean lines of the display.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another great article! Thanks. </p>
<p>All your posts and tips have really helped out my tanking and general Druiding experiences. And darn enjoyable to read :)</p>
<p>Looking at your screenshot, I was wondering what mod/addon you are using for your Party info. I like the way it showed everyone Target and the clean lines of the display.</p>
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		<title>By: Agerath</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/10/16/tanking-tragedy-and-triumph-in-302/comment-page-1/#comment-10640</link>
		<dc:creator>Agerath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 01:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, for one, have been enjoying the new patch immensely.
We had a guild run to ZA yesterday, having struggled previously at Nal&#039;orakk due to bad tanks.
A little bit of gearing up and help from the new changes, and....

We cleared it two hours.

Good times...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, for one, have been enjoying the new patch immensely.<br />
We had a guild run to ZA yesterday, having struggled previously at Nal&#8217;orakk due to bad tanks.<br />
A little bit of gearing up and help from the new changes, and&#8230;.</p>
<p>We cleared it two hours.</p>
<p>Good times&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sweets</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/10/16/tanking-tragedy-and-triumph-in-302/comment-page-1/#comment-10636</link>
		<dc:creator>Sweets</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 23:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I loved reading your heroic story.  Im a druid tank in T5/Badge and I was soooo excited to see whats possible with the new talents.  And thanks for reminding me, you forgot about natures grasp - i forgot about barkskin being used in bear form.  

In my build I actually opted for the master shapeshifter and the extra 4% dmg and did not go with beserk atm.  I have a completely different way of handling mob pulls but i liked to see how you handled it.  For me, I throw on NG and then I charge in.  Swipe/Mangle.  Thats pretty much it.  When tanking 5+ at a time I try to throw in a stun if I can to stop some incoming dmg and also demo roar.  I usually target the casters first because those guys are the threat to my healers/dps if they peel off of me, but with NG I dont have to worry so much about the melee running.  :D

Also, I use Omen, and before the patch I was floating between 900 - 1200 threat per second (assuming I could keep a full rage bar).  Now I&#039;m almost always over 2000 tps.  

I&#039;m currently looking into gear/enchant changing.  With the armor nerfs I find myself looking at the &quot;rogue&quot; gear more than the druid gear.  I can pass on the INT for some extra armor and agi.  I&#039;m trying to recall off the top of my head, but the rogue badge Helm (Mask of the Deceiver) is a way better option than the druid one, IMHO.  Same armor, more agi more stam and hit rating/ap.  The str and the int stats just dont do it for me... but if you think otherwise id love to hear your opinion on it.  

@ARA - thanks for the mongoose tip.  im going to look into that right away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I loved reading your heroic story.  Im a druid tank in T5/Badge and I was soooo excited to see whats possible with the new talents.  And thanks for reminding me, you forgot about natures grasp &#8211; i forgot about barkskin being used in bear form.  </p>
<p>In my build I actually opted for the master shapeshifter and the extra 4% dmg and did not go with beserk atm.  I have a completely different way of handling mob pulls but i liked to see how you handled it.  For me, I throw on NG and then I charge in.  Swipe/Mangle.  Thats pretty much it.  When tanking 5+ at a time I try to throw in a stun if I can to stop some incoming dmg and also demo roar.  I usually target the casters first because those guys are the threat to my healers/dps if they peel off of me, but with NG I dont have to worry so much about the melee running.  :D</p>
<p>Also, I use Omen, and before the patch I was floating between 900 &#8211; 1200 threat per second (assuming I could keep a full rage bar).  Now I&#8217;m almost always over 2000 tps.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m currently looking into gear/enchant changing.  With the armor nerfs I find myself looking at the &#8220;rogue&#8221; gear more than the druid gear.  I can pass on the INT for some extra armor and agi.  I&#8217;m trying to recall off the top of my head, but the rogue badge Helm (Mask of the Deceiver) is a way better option than the druid one, IMHO.  Same armor, more agi more stam and hit rating/ap.  The str and the int stats just dont do it for me&#8230; but if you think otherwise id love to hear your opinion on it.  </p>
<p>@ARA &#8211; thanks for the mongoose tip.  im going to look into that right away.</p>
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		<title>By: Tigerfeet</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/10/16/tanking-tragedy-and-triumph-in-302/comment-page-1/#comment-10625</link>
		<dc:creator>Tigerfeet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 14:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You wanted Jenkins stories? Here&#039;s your Jenkins story :D http://secretagentcat.wordpress.com/2008/10/17/something-smells-like-tiger-feet/

It was SO satisfying to stomp over all those eggs... all of them... EVERY LAST ONE and to laugh as I swiped them into oblivion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You wanted Jenkins stories? Here&#8217;s your Jenkins story :D <a href="http://secretagentcat.wordpress.com/2008/10/17/something-smells-like-tiger-feet/" rel="nofollow">http://secretagentcat.wordpress.com/2008/10/17/something-smells-like-tiger-feet/</a></p>
<p>It was SO satisfying to stomp over all those eggs&#8230; all of them&#8230; EVERY LAST ONE and to laugh as I swiped them into oblivion.</p>
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		<title>By: Stef</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/10/16/tanking-tragedy-and-triumph-in-302/comment-page-1/#comment-10624</link>
		<dc:creator>Stef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 09:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the article !

I have a (probably silly) question : does Growl have a 360° effect, and you don&#039;t even have to turn in the direction of the foe, or is it like moonfire and other spells, where you have to face it ?

And by the way, has the FFF threat been modified yet ? I read they would add an internal threat bonus, with an AP modifier, in order to have people stop using balance spells to pull. Or maybe is it only in LK ?..

Thanks in advance (and sorry for the English),
Stef</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the article !</p>
<p>I have a (probably silly) question : does Growl have a 360° effect, and you don&#8217;t even have to turn in the direction of the foe, or is it like moonfire and other spells, where you have to face it ?</p>
<p>And by the way, has the FFF threat been modified yet ? I read they would add an internal threat bonus, with an AP modifier, in order to have people stop using balance spells to pull. Or maybe is it only in LK ?..</p>
<p>Thanks in advance (and sorry for the English),<br />
Stef</p>
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