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		<title>By: Kitts</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2009/01/16/addons-are-the-topic-of-discussion/comment-page-1/#comment-13180</link>
		<dc:creator>Kitts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 17:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just like this post in general... but specifically: your goal discussion.  I think a lot of people forget there are two sets of guidelines: personal and group.  Group guidelines are always going to be more &quot;strict&quot; in nature, but it&#039;s always up to the raid leader to make it sound less than so (I would also add that you can&#039;t be too soft, but I think most people know that if they&#039;ve raid led).  Personal guidelines are going to be more internalized, which is hard to really&quot;teach&quot; or ask for.  But it&#039;s those who set high personal goals that end up succeeding more than those succeeding at base line.

Arguably, as long as everyone is having fun and there&#039;s gear to be had and there&#039;s no screaming in Vent... and no drama, I&#039;m a happy guild and raid leader.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just like this post in general&#8230; but specifically: your goal discussion.  I think a lot of people forget there are two sets of guidelines: personal and group.  Group guidelines are always going to be more &#8220;strict&#8221; in nature, but it&#8217;s always up to the raid leader to make it sound less than so (I would also add that you can&#8217;t be too soft, but I think most people know that if they&#8217;ve raid led).  Personal guidelines are going to be more internalized, which is hard to really&#8221;teach&#8221; or ask for.  But it&#8217;s those who set high personal goals that end up succeeding more than those succeeding at base line.</p>
<p>Arguably, as long as everyone is having fun and there&#8217;s gear to be had and there&#8217;s no screaming in Vent&#8230; and no drama, I&#8217;m a happy guild and raid leader.</p>
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		<title>By: Kattrinsaa</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2009/01/16/addons-are-the-topic-of-discussion/comment-page-1/#comment-13152</link>
		<dc:creator>Kattrinsaa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 18:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only crippling loss of functionality for me when it comes to broken addons, is usually when my HUD isn&#039;t working (only happens on major version patches that disable all addons), I just can&#039;t seem to pry my eyes away from the action on the screen to look up in the corner to see what my health is doing. With a hud i have my health/mana/energy/rage/runic power just left of my character. Speaking as a DPS type, I find that I die more often if i don&#039;t have that information in the place i&#039;m accustomed to looking. but can still fight moderately well. Then again.. Moonkin dps is a matter of rolling through a handfull of spells. Starfire, Moonfire, Wrath, Hurricane, Imp. Faery Fire, Insect Swarm. 

I never have tried healing, tho I do have healbot (normally disabled) for the rare occasion I&#039;m asked to pinchheal and decursive is always running. (downed Sapphiron Last night for the first time and was only decursing person in the 10man) Without decursive I am not sure that we could have managed that fight or noth. 

Do addons make me more efficient, yes, can I live without them, yes but, at reduced efficiency for decursing. Most of my addons are of the informational variety: Atlas loot, Enchantrix, Auctioneer, Altohaulic, Titan Panel (and its various subroutines), DBM, Omem, Recount, Gatherer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only crippling loss of functionality for me when it comes to broken addons, is usually when my HUD isn&#8217;t working (only happens on major version patches that disable all addons), I just can&#8217;t seem to pry my eyes away from the action on the screen to look up in the corner to see what my health is doing. With a hud i have my health/mana/energy/rage/runic power just left of my character. Speaking as a DPS type, I find that I die more often if i don&#8217;t have that information in the place i&#8217;m accustomed to looking. but can still fight moderately well. Then again.. Moonkin dps is a matter of rolling through a handfull of spells. Starfire, Moonfire, Wrath, Hurricane, Imp. Faery Fire, Insect Swarm. </p>
<p>I never have tried healing, tho I do have healbot (normally disabled) for the rare occasion I&#8217;m asked to pinchheal and decursive is always running. (downed Sapphiron Last night for the first time and was only decursing person in the 10man) Without decursive I am not sure that we could have managed that fight or noth. </p>
<p>Do addons make me more efficient, yes, can I live without them, yes but, at reduced efficiency for decursing. Most of my addons are of the informational variety: Atlas loot, Enchantrix, Auctioneer, Altohaulic, Titan Panel (and its various subroutines), DBM, Omem, Recount, Gatherer.</p>
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		<title>By: Artorin</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2009/01/16/addons-are-the-topic-of-discussion/comment-page-1/#comment-13151</link>
		<dc:creator>Artorin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 18:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to use lots of addons for every aspect of the game. I liked them and was used to them. Then my computer got hacked and I had to reformat my pc to get everything cleared up. Reloading WoW and the following prospect of having to completely redo my UI was overwhelming. Since I was still paranoid of getting hit again I adapted to the default UI and once I got used to it my performance wasn&#039;t any worse then it was with addons. Right now I use itemrack a bag addon and recount, everything else is pure default. I&#039;m certainly not against people using addons I just have gotten used to not using them and have enough awarness in raids to move out of bad stuff. But my guild has required mods. DBM and several others but I refuse to dl them. Even without them I stay ontop of dps charts and have less deaths then the rest of the raid... so should I give in and DL boss mods? I&#039;m fully capable of dodging flame waves in sartharion and every other fight is easily predictable enough that I don&#039;t find these mods usefull anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to use lots of addons for every aspect of the game. I liked them and was used to them. Then my computer got hacked and I had to reformat my pc to get everything cleared up. Reloading WoW and the following prospect of having to completely redo my UI was overwhelming. Since I was still paranoid of getting hit again I adapted to the default UI and once I got used to it my performance wasn&#8217;t any worse then it was with addons. Right now I use itemrack a bag addon and recount, everything else is pure default. I&#8217;m certainly not against people using addons I just have gotten used to not using them and have enough awarness in raids to move out of bad stuff. But my guild has required mods. DBM and several others but I refuse to dl them. Even without them I stay ontop of dps charts and have less deaths then the rest of the raid&#8230; so should I give in and DL boss mods? I&#8217;m fully capable of dodging flame waves in sartharion and every other fight is easily predictable enough that I don&#8217;t find these mods usefull anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Ruune</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2009/01/16/addons-are-the-topic-of-discussion/comment-page-1/#comment-13143</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruune</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 23:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was a part of a guild once which had a policy during raiding of checking addons before the raid started (if you didn&#039;t have DBM/Big Wigs installed you weren&#039;t allowed to go) and checking flask/elixir buffs and well fed buffs during raids.  And this was a guild which was less progressed as a guild than the Sidhe Devils were in BC.  Setting all the requirements just seemed to be a projection of what they thought they needed to do to be a &quot;real guild&quot;.

I use addons to heal, and find that I spend just as much time tweaking and obsessing over the set up of my addons as I would if I was using mouseover macros.  I could heal without them if I had to, but I am a brain-healing shaman so it&#039;s hardly a great testament to my twitch capabilities.  If my addons broke and I couldn&#039;t fix them, would I sit out of a 25 man?  Maybe.  And maybe some DPS or tanks would have the same problem if their threat meter broke.  Some, who have trained themselves to be able to monitor threat accurately without a threat meter might think that was a sign of a poor player.  Some, who can heal consistently well just using raid frames (to my embarrassment I must admit that i don&#039;t know how to operate the default raid frames) might think that I am letting myself down.

It can equally go in reverse - I used to have someone in my guild that refused on principle to use addons - no threatmeter, no decursive - nothing.  And everyone was pretty frustrated sometimes at the limitations this placed on his ability to improve that extra 1% or whatever in performance.  But that was just how he rolled, and in the end, it didn&#039;t make a whole heap of difference to the level of guild we were at.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was a part of a guild once which had a policy during raiding of checking addons before the raid started (if you didn&#8217;t have DBM/Big Wigs installed you weren&#8217;t allowed to go) and checking flask/elixir buffs and well fed buffs during raids.  And this was a guild which was less progressed as a guild than the Sidhe Devils were in BC.  Setting all the requirements just seemed to be a projection of what they thought they needed to do to be a &#8220;real guild&#8221;.</p>
<p>I use addons to heal, and find that I spend just as much time tweaking and obsessing over the set up of my addons as I would if I was using mouseover macros.  I could heal without them if I had to, but I am a brain-healing shaman so it&#8217;s hardly a great testament to my twitch capabilities.  If my addons broke and I couldn&#8217;t fix them, would I sit out of a 25 man?  Maybe.  And maybe some DPS or tanks would have the same problem if their threat meter broke.  Some, who have trained themselves to be able to monitor threat accurately without a threat meter might think that was a sign of a poor player.  Some, who can heal consistently well just using raid frames (to my embarrassment I must admit that i don&#8217;t know how to operate the default raid frames) might think that I am letting myself down.</p>
<p>It can equally go in reverse &#8211; I used to have someone in my guild that refused on principle to use addons &#8211; no threatmeter, no decursive &#8211; nothing.  And everyone was pretty frustrated sometimes at the limitations this placed on his ability to improve that extra 1% or whatever in performance.  But that was just how he rolled, and in the end, it didn&#8217;t make a whole heap of difference to the level of guild we were at.</p>
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		<title>By: Matticus</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2009/01/16/addons-are-the-topic-of-discussion/comment-page-1/#comment-13141</link>
		<dc:creator>Matticus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 21:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well bear, it&#039;s not like I always try to ignite a controversy or anything. And I think a lot of readers and commenters took my post too literally. I think I should&#039;ve used a better analogy like this one:

I&#039;m a student. I have a laptop. I like to take my notes on my laptop because I can take more of them, I&#039;m faster at typing, and I can still pay attention to what the professor is talking about. So having a laptop allows me to be a better student because I can get more information that might be relevant later.

But then I have another prof who has a no electronics rule in class. No cellphones, iPods, or laptops and I&#039;m stuck using a pen and a clipboard. I have to pay closer to attention to what&#039;s really relevant and what I can get away without. My mark in this class won&#039;t be as high as the one where I&#039;m allowed to use a laptop. But at last I&#039;ll still pass the course. 

And for the record, call me Matt. Matticus is fine too. I&#039;m one of the few bloggers that uses their real name on the WoW blogosphere. It&#039;s how I prefer to be addressed. I don&#039;t use toon names because toons can change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well bear, it&#8217;s not like I always try to ignite a controversy or anything. And I think a lot of readers and commenters took my post too literally. I think I should&#8217;ve used a better analogy like this one:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a student. I have a laptop. I like to take my notes on my laptop because I can take more of them, I&#8217;m faster at typing, and I can still pay attention to what the professor is talking about. So having a laptop allows me to be a better student because I can get more information that might be relevant later.</p>
<p>But then I have another prof who has a no electronics rule in class. No cellphones, iPods, or laptops and I&#8217;m stuck using a pen and a clipboard. I have to pay closer to attention to what&#8217;s really relevant and what I can get away without. My mark in this class won&#8217;t be as high as the one where I&#8217;m allowed to use a laptop. But at last I&#8217;ll still pass the course. </p>
<p>And for the record, call me Matt. Matticus is fine too. I&#8217;m one of the few bloggers that uses their real name on the WoW blogosphere. It&#8217;s how I prefer to be addressed. I don&#8217;t use toon names because toons can change.</p>
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		<title>By: Zeplar</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2009/01/16/addons-are-the-topic-of-discussion/comment-page-1/#comment-13130</link>
		<dc:creator>Zeplar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 02:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all, I have found that the only addon that I cannot remake as a macro, is deadly boss mods (which doesn&#039;t fit in a macro, although any individual boss fight could be macroed with timers and warnings). Proximo, Grid, Decursive, DoT Timers, Clique, they all CAN be macroed, if you spend the time finding the proper scripts. And the /wait command, which a lot of people don&#039;t know about, is a godsend.


So I only use DBM, Itemrack, and Atlas now. Macros take up less memory, and they transfer between computers. Grid is fairly important, but I&#039;ve raid healed without it by messing with the interface name bar settings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, I have found that the only addon that I cannot remake as a macro, is deadly boss mods (which doesn&#8217;t fit in a macro, although any individual boss fight could be macroed with timers and warnings). Proximo, Grid, Decursive, DoT Timers, Clique, they all CAN be macroed, if you spend the time finding the proper scripts. And the /wait command, which a lot of people don&#8217;t know about, is a godsend.</p>
<p>So I only use DBM, Itemrack, and Atlas now. Macros take up less memory, and they transfer between computers. Grid is fairly important, but I&#8217;ve raid healed without it by messing with the interface name bar settings.</p>
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		<title>By: Mooster</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2009/01/16/addons-are-the-topic-of-discussion/comment-page-1/#comment-13127</link>
		<dc:creator>Mooster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 01:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like addons...
Addons are shiny...
They make my screen more fun :D
They make portraits move :D
They make the game more user friendly...
They eat up my memory usage :(
But saying that someone who uses addons is less skilled is like saying people that make macros are failures also...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like addons&#8230;<br />
Addons are shiny&#8230;<br />
They make my screen more fun :D<br />
They make portraits move :D<br />
They make the game more user friendly&#8230;<br />
They eat up my memory usage :(<br />
But saying that someone who uses addons is less skilled is like saying people that make macros are failures also&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mookoo</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2009/01/16/addons-are-the-topic-of-discussion/comment-page-1/#comment-13123</link>
		<dc:creator>Mookoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 16:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey bbb,

seems your wow-career took more or less the same steps as mine at least in druid-ways.
I remember clicking myself through these 40 unit-frames, too. I had 4 keybindings then and guess what I was always on top in healing and fought for the least amount of overheal with a fellow resto-shaman. So I guess theses addons really can make your life easier and if someone depends on them to do their best its ok. But I thought that it was my role to decide right then what to do and what was best to do rather then depend on an addon that does the spell-choosing for me. My point always was that it has no AI build in that has the perception and experience of a human player. The results proved me right and mind your I was not the best equipped Druid in the raid, since I could only attend about 50% of the raids.

Since I am a lefty I am still used to click more than bind things to keys (i use the numeric-pad for movement), seems the druid and now especially the feral druid favour that to a point.

Maybe I suck compared to pro-players, but I was in a progression guild then - so I guess there are more ways of reaching something than the &quot;most used&quot; one. 

Reading this again it sounds a bit arrogant which it should not. Just a little note out of my wow-life. Just like you  I always try to give my best in raids and since I am a tank people really rely on me so its only natural and competing with yourself to become better at something is part of the fun of this game.

Cheers,
Moo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey bbb,</p>
<p>seems your wow-career took more or less the same steps as mine at least in druid-ways.<br />
I remember clicking myself through these 40 unit-frames, too. I had 4 keybindings then and guess what I was always on top in healing and fought for the least amount of overheal with a fellow resto-shaman. So I guess theses addons really can make your life easier and if someone depends on them to do their best its ok. But I thought that it was my role to decide right then what to do and what was best to do rather then depend on an addon that does the spell-choosing for me. My point always was that it has no AI build in that has the perception and experience of a human player. The results proved me right and mind your I was not the best equipped Druid in the raid, since I could only attend about 50% of the raids.</p>
<p>Since I am a lefty I am still used to click more than bind things to keys (i use the numeric-pad for movement), seems the druid and now especially the feral druid favour that to a point.</p>
<p>Maybe I suck compared to pro-players, but I was in a progression guild then &#8211; so I guess there are more ways of reaching something than the &#8220;most used&#8221; one. </p>
<p>Reading this again it sounds a bit arrogant which it should not. Just a little note out of my wow-life. Just like you  I always try to give my best in raids and since I am a tank people really rely on me so its only natural and competing with yourself to become better at something is part of the fun of this game.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Moo</p>
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		<title>By: bigbearbutt</title>
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		<dc:creator>bigbearbutt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 03:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, all I do is write em Bell, people can read whatever they want to into &#039;em!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, all I do is write em Bell, people can read whatever they want to into &#8216;em!</p>
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		<title>By: Bellwether</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bellwether</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 02:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the majority of your commenters are missing the core point of your article and focusing on the addons/no addons. &gt;.&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the majority of your commenters are missing the core point of your article and focusing on the addons/no addons. &gt;.&gt;</p>
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