Peace.
Snochalar.

Arch-10 PuG, I OT it with a druid. Druid is sole leather-wearer in the group. Druid Leather drops, with mage, I think. Leader doesn’t master-loot, it’s all class-labeled loot, I guess he’s thinking. Stupid DPS warrior (who did less DPS than the tanks) rolls on druid leather, wins it. What?

Part of the issue is that without someone pushing people to start the next pull raids tend to end up waiting. This usually results in some of those who can get ready for a pull in ten seconds to start navelgazing (or alt-tab to read this blog). Thus a cycle is born that slows the whole raid. Perhaps I am just impatient, but when we have 14 more bosses to clear I want to start moving as soon as mana has been regen’ed by the healers. This also is why I am in a raid focused guild, because I want my time to be spent playing with others of a similar mindset.

And..

Just yesterday I had broken gear in a 25 man voa after one wipe (I should of repaired before and would of if I would of noticed it). I calmly said “guys sorry some gear is broke can I get a summon after I hearth real quick?” (I dont think there is a repair guy outside of it but I only looked for a moment trying to be speedy). The reply I got was “there is 24 people waiting on you asshole”.. wow ok then.. I should of just left and would of if there wasnt 2 guildies in the run with me but I sucked it up and just replied with a “no shit”.

Something tells me that the problem was the 2-3 ppl doing 700dps and the other 4-5 (so total of 6-8) that were under me – the tank- doing 1300. And the kicker — the guy calling me an asshole for having to repair was at 1k. So there you go. Im not staring at a dps meter the whole fight but when you go in to HVOA its simply – kill him before he enrages or you die -

Oh, man. I absolutely HATE to hear when stuff like that happens! There is absolutely NO excuse for acting like that to anyone. Ever!

My worst experience in this game was a partial guild run very similar to what you’re describing. I felt horrible for days afterwords and stopped having any fun in the game for a long time after that. Then I found out later (I was very new to the game) that it wasn’t my fault at all, only that the people I was grouped with were complete jerks and knew nothing about my class (“Druid, if the healer DCs again, stop tanking immediately and start healing”……Huh?). The problem was that I didn’t know any better and thought that it was all my fault. This was not your wife’s fault either and she should not feel bad at ALL about what happened.

I’m still just sitting here with my jaw on the floor thinking about how horrible that shaman was.

Complete waste elimination orifice. Definitely.

It’s an easy mistake to make, but still B’s fault for not checking /raidinfo.

My wife had a really bad experience in a partial PUG last night. We’ve only been playing a year and don’t have a lot of instance experience. She’s a prot warrior, and has, via crafting, AH buys, and some instance runs, put together a good tanking set. She meets the NAXX10 requirements for health, defense, is uncrittable, etc. Last month we changed guilds from a small guild or RL friends to a big, casual guild (over 500 members) a friend is a member of. It’s gone pretty well so far. We’re trying to help others on quests and low-level dungeon runs and have gotten to know a few members in chat.

A guildie announced a Heroic UK run in chat, another guildie joined, and they asked for a while in guild chat for a tank. My wife had tanked Drak’Theron in a PUG for the elder, then we did UK on a guild run to help train herself and a Priest that just respecced from Shadow to Holy, and the runs went well with no wipes and only a few deaths. (I got popped in UK when I drew aggro on the dual boss fight when back-to-back SBs critted.) With the guildies we tried Heroic UP after UK, but had problems on the big trash pulls due to slow healing. We discussed the situation and everyone decided to call it a night. The healer agreed she needed more practice before doing heroic runs and there were no bad feelings. So the wife was feeling that she could do the heroic run if the others would help her.

My wife whispered the guildie organizing the run, told him she was a tank-in-training, and hadn’t done heroics before. No problem, she got an invite. Turns out one of the DPS and the healer, a shaman, are not guildies. Early in the run there was a wipe when one of the DPSers pulled adds onto the shammie in the middle of a fight. The shammie blamed the tank for not holding aggro. They went on to the drake area. She pulls the first drake and handler, marking the drake for first kill. She makes sure they are positioned correctly, but the shammie and one DPS open up on the handler, who kills the shammie, and the party wipes. The shammie is upset and starts talking about getting a new tank. They go back, start the fight again and wipe. Because the shammie didn’t heal my wife once. Then he calls for a vote to kick the tank. My wife replies that you obviously don’t want me, fine, bye, and leaves the group.

She’s really, really upset. She’s a shy person and has laser-like OCD about any job she does, because in her RL job as a physician a screwup could cause a death. Then the shammie whispers her that she should: 1 – quit tanking, 2 – quit the Horde because real Horde know how to fight, 3 – reroll as one of the wimpy Alliance, and 4 – be a Hunter so all you need to do is push one button. This gets her more upset.

There is a mention about a “bad run” by one of the guildies in guild chat. I whisper him with the detail that the Shammie didn’t heal my wife once. They then mention that he had been being a waste elimination orifice (your choice, both euphemistically used) before the run and decide that he should be avoided in the future. I had a discussion with one of the guild healers in private chat and he offered to heal on future runs, as the guild needs more tanks. (We have 3 lvl80 Prot Warriors and she is the best geared, don’t know about bear tanks – yet.)

But almost every time I’ve been in Naxx it’s a clustered wipe fest. AOV isn’t too bad, because it seems most of the tanks I run it with know the fights, and everybody else just nukes stuff down and collects loot. The team work required to run even the easiest of Naxx bosses pretty much has me doing my 15 min Jewel Crafting daily, and then going to see what’s on TV. I am so discouraged about it I’m about ready to hang it up. Not much left in the game for me that I’m interested in now a days. Not that I can do with a pug anyway.

I was reminded of your pug stories last night when I pugged about 5 people for a bit of naxx10 fun. All my guildies outgear the place so it was just to play around & meet some new people. Well, it was atrocious. After 2 wipes on our first attempted boss (one of the easiest bosses in the joint) my people and I bailed. I wont go into the details… just to say that if you need to pug, its better the build up a list of reliable friends – maybe in 5 mans first – and try to arrange things with them, rather than taking random strangers into a raid instance you thought was super easy!!!