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		<title>By: Inquisitor</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2009/02/24/new-asshat-of-the-day-the-selfish-raid-leader/comment-page-2/#comment-14620</link>
		<dc:creator>Inquisitor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 13:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If I ever feel up to running another VoA10 PuG, I&#039;m going to try really hard to make it one of each class, I think.

Similarly, for VoA25, how many class/spec combos are there out there? I make it 21 with a mental count. You could stack a raid to minimise wasted loot for everyone.

Might be hard to fill the slots perfectly, but I reckon a lot of people would come out of the woodwork for something clever and/or fun like that.

Reset day today, maybe I&#039;ll give it a shot this evening.

Doesn&#039;t work so well for OS, of course.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I ever feel up to running another VoA10 PuG, I&#8217;m going to try really hard to make it one of each class, I think.</p>
<p>Similarly, for VoA25, how many class/spec combos are there out there? I make it 21 with a mental count. You could stack a raid to minimise wasted loot for everyone.</p>
<p>Might be hard to fill the slots perfectly, but I reckon a lot of people would come out of the woodwork for something clever and/or fun like that.</p>
<p>Reset day today, maybe I&#8217;ll give it a shot this evening.</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t work so well for OS, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Fulano</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2009/02/24/new-asshat-of-the-day-the-selfish-raid-leader/comment-page-2/#comment-14591</link>
		<dc:creator>Fulano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 14:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I guess my standards about player&#039;s behavior has gone so low that the tale narrated on this post doesn&#039;t surprise me at all. Also I don&#039;t consider the guy to be doing anything dishonest. Greedy? yes, dishonest? no. He wanted his loot and he probably didn&#039;t want to go several more weeks losing the roll. It was HIS raid, HIS rules. Had master looted the rogue drop to himself without asking and without consideration for the other rogues present, then the story would be different.

In my humble opinion, you guys are making too much of a big deal about something so little. I hate ninjas, I hate when people start a raid while secretly planning to master loot some rare drop to themselves. At least this guy avoided doing that. Also one could say: &quot;he should have said so, he should have been honest and clear about it&quot;, but then, look at all the comments on this post. 

In other words, he didn&#039;t save anyone to his raid, he didn&#039;t ninja loot the drop and the rogues who were left out had the choice to join another raid or start their own raid, in short: he didn&#039;t interfere with the ability of the other rogues to get their loot that week. Morally gray? yes, but it could have been and I have seen worse.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess my standards about player&#8217;s behavior has gone so low that the tale narrated on this post doesn&#8217;t surprise me at all. Also I don&#8217;t consider the guy to be doing anything dishonest. Greedy? yes, dishonest? no. He wanted his loot and he probably didn&#8217;t want to go several more weeks losing the roll. It was HIS raid, HIS rules. Had master looted the rogue drop to himself without asking and without consideration for the other rogues present, then the story would be different.</p>
<p>In my humble opinion, you guys are making too much of a big deal about something so little. I hate ninjas, I hate when people start a raid while secretly planning to master loot some rare drop to themselves. At least this guy avoided doing that. Also one could say: &#8220;he should have said so, he should have been honest and clear about it&#8221;, but then, look at all the comments on this post. </p>
<p>In other words, he didn&#8217;t save anyone to his raid, he didn&#8217;t ninja loot the drop and the rogues who were left out had the choice to join another raid or start their own raid, in short: he didn&#8217;t interfere with the ability of the other rogues to get their loot that week. Morally gray? yes, but it could have been and I have seen worse.</p>
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		<title>By: Leah</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2009/02/24/new-asshat-of-the-day-the-selfish-raid-leader/comment-page-2/#comment-14498</link>
		<dc:creator>Leah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 11:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[my first reaction would be - damn, what a greedy ass and then... I remembered not taking a retribution paladin to heroic nexus run on my resto shaman, who said honestly from the start that he would only come for a chance at an epic healing mace.  having run the damn place daily for close to 2 weeks, I didn&#039;t want any chance that I&#039;d lose it if it finaly dropped.  which is why I took so long to post :/  while this guy was probably going just a tad overboard, I can see where he might have been coming from.  at least he didn&#039;t invite other rogues and then masterlooted the items to himself.

so I will not cast stones on him becasue in the end, I might not go that far myself, but I have enough selfishness in me to reject a perfectly good candidade to ensure that I get the loot I came for.  guilty.  I&#039;d be nice and upfront about it, but I&#039;d do it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my first reaction would be &#8211; damn, what a greedy ass and then&#8230; I remembered not taking a retribution paladin to heroic nexus run on my resto shaman, who said honestly from the start that he would only come for a chance at an epic healing mace.  having run the damn place daily for close to 2 weeks, I didn&#8217;t want any chance that I&#8217;d lose it if it finaly dropped.  which is why I took so long to post :/  while this guy was probably going just a tad overboard, I can see where he might have been coming from.  at least he didn&#8217;t invite other rogues and then masterlooted the items to himself.</p>
<p>so I will not cast stones on him becasue in the end, I might not go that far myself, but I have enough selfishness in me to reject a perfectly good candidade to ensure that I get the loot I came for.  guilty.  I&#8217;d be nice and upfront about it, but I&#8217;d do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Suci</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2009/02/24/new-asshat-of-the-day-the-selfish-raid-leader/comment-page-2/#comment-14387</link>
		<dc:creator>Suci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 22:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[With all the epic items that&#039;s dropping and crafted all over the place, you&#039;d think people would be a bit more easy going with loots. Unfortunately, I’ve encounter the same type selfishness more than once. One rogue RL and one druid RL, both for VoA run. The rogue did not want to invite other rogues and the druid (tank) announced that he will roll on an offspec gear but would not allow other druids (me-balance) to roll on their offspec gear. And it seemed I’ve encountered more ‘ninja’ in these one boss type of encounter lately (twice in OS and once in VoA).
People need to chill and relax. Seriously…. Most likely you can clear (H)Naxx with heroic gear… well… maybe 10 man… definitely 10 man. You don’t need those purples thaaatt baaadd…]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all the epic items that&#8217;s dropping and crafted all over the place, you&#8217;d think people would be a bit more easy going with loots. Unfortunately, I’ve encounter the same type selfishness more than once. One rogue RL and one druid RL, both for VoA run. The rogue did not want to invite other rogues and the druid (tank) announced that he will roll on an offspec gear but would not allow other druids (me-balance) to roll on their offspec gear. And it seemed I’ve encountered more ‘ninja’ in these one boss type of encounter lately (twice in OS and once in VoA).<br />
People need to chill and relax. Seriously…. Most likely you can clear (H)Naxx with heroic gear… well… maybe 10 man… definitely 10 man. You don’t need those purples thaaatt baaadd…</p>
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		<title>By: Friginn</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2009/02/24/new-asshat-of-the-day-the-selfish-raid-leader/comment-page-2/#comment-14385</link>
		<dc:creator>Friginn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 20:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[BBB, just wanted to respond that I am with you on your crusade against asshats.  I play a ret pally (name above) on the Perenolde server.  It never ceases to  amaze me the wonderful diversity of total asshats you can find playing along with you.  Stacking the deck in your favor is one thing, but holding up a raid because you are a selfish bastard....not good.  I would have left too.  I&#039;d also like to shine a light on (hopefully one focused with a magnifying glass so as to fry them like ants) groups of people who stand on their mounts around/on a flight master.  Their only purpose could be to deny folks access to the FP.  Seriously.  Do you have NOTHING better to do then hang out on the flight master?  The more I play, the more I seem to be turning into that crazy old guy who stands on his front lawn and shakes his fist at the passing cars.  It&#039;s nice to look over at the house next door and see a big furry neighbor shaking his meaty paw right along with me.  Keep up the blog!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BBB, just wanted to respond that I am with you on your crusade against asshats.  I play a ret pally (name above) on the Perenolde server.  It never ceases to  amaze me the wonderful diversity of total asshats you can find playing along with you.  Stacking the deck in your favor is one thing, but holding up a raid because you are a selfish bastard&#8230;.not good.  I would have left too.  I&#8217;d also like to shine a light on (hopefully one focused with a magnifying glass so as to fry them like ants) groups of people who stand on their mounts around/on a flight master.  Their only purpose could be to deny folks access to the FP.  Seriously.  Do you have NOTHING better to do then hang out on the flight master?  The more I play, the more I seem to be turning into that crazy old guy who stands on his front lawn and shakes his fist at the passing cars.  It&#8217;s nice to look over at the house next door and see a big furry neighbor shaking his meaty paw right along with me.  Keep up the blog!</p>
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		<title>By: Yeebo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yeebo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 20:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great post. The thing that burns me the most is that people get upset when they are called out on things like this. 

The other day I joined a 25OS that a druid tank was running. At the end he gave out all the loot skipping over the druid token then after the satchel was given out, gave himself the token, dropped group, logged out and dropped vent...yes we were in his guild&#039;s vent for a +1 attempt. I was soo ticked as I had 2 of my druid healers in my guild on that run and both got screwed. I proceeded to put him on my friends list and look out for future dealings. 2 days ago I saw him trying to put a 25 man naxx pug together and everytime he spammed his invites, I spammed that he ninja&#039;d the token in OS and could not be trusted. So many ppl were giving me grief cause I was telling ppl about it. I was perplexed that ppl were telling me to quite crying and so forth when I was just trying to serve the pug community with a nice warning. 

So now I only run my own pugs or guild runs. I&#039;m not sure what drove me more nuts, the ninja or ppl who don&#039;t care that ppl ninja.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post. The thing that burns me the most is that people get upset when they are called out on things like this. </p>
<p>The other day I joined a 25OS that a druid tank was running. At the end he gave out all the loot skipping over the druid token then after the satchel was given out, gave himself the token, dropped group, logged out and dropped vent&#8230;yes we were in his guild&#8217;s vent for a +1 attempt. I was soo ticked as I had 2 of my druid healers in my guild on that run and both got screwed. I proceeded to put him on my friends list and look out for future dealings. 2 days ago I saw him trying to put a 25 man naxx pug together and everytime he spammed his invites, I spammed that he ninja&#8217;d the token in OS and could not be trusted. So many ppl were giving me grief cause I was telling ppl about it. I was perplexed that ppl were telling me to quite crying and so forth when I was just trying to serve the pug community with a nice warning. </p>
<p>So now I only run my own pugs or guild runs. I&#8217;m not sure what drove me more nuts, the ninja or ppl who don&#8217;t care that ppl ninja.</p>
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		<title>By: Klinderas</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2009/02/24/new-asshat-of-the-day-the-selfish-raid-leader/comment-page-2/#comment-14377</link>
		<dc:creator>Klinderas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 17:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know if this will help, but...

No, you&#039;re not the only person who thinks this kind of behaviour deserves an ass kicking.

This would be one of those times I &quot;accidentally&quot; misdirect to a guy... by accident!

I swear!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if this will help, but&#8230;</p>
<p>No, you&#8217;re not the only person who thinks this kind of behaviour deserves an ass kicking.</p>
<p>This would be one of those times I &#8220;accidentally&#8221; misdirect to a guy&#8230; by accident!</p>
<p>I swear!</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2009/02/24/new-asshat-of-the-day-the-selfish-raid-leader/comment-page-2/#comment-14347</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 02:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t have a problem with people stacking groups for loot reasons, though I do agree that Dirz was taking it too far. When I have a choice of DPS, I&#039;ll pick the ones that won&#039;t all be rolling on the same loot (as me &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; as each other). Vault is probably the instance it&#039;s most important to do this for, since all the loot is class specific, the main reason people run it is for the T7 gear, and half the drops can&#039;t even be DEed if that class isn&#039;t present. Making sure you&#039;re the only rogue in a 25-man run is overly selfish, though; I would draw the line at 2 of a class for 10-man and 4 of a class for 25-man.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have a problem with people stacking groups for loot reasons, though I do agree that Dirz was taking it too far. When I have a choice of DPS, I&#8217;ll pick the ones that won&#8217;t all be rolling on the same loot (as me <i>and</i> as each other). Vault is probably the instance it&#8217;s most important to do this for, since all the loot is class specific, the main reason people run it is for the T7 gear, and half the drops can&#8217;t even be DEed if that class isn&#8217;t present. Making sure you&#8217;re the only rogue in a 25-man run is overly selfish, though; I would draw the line at 2 of a class for 10-man and 4 of a class for 25-man.</p>
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		<title>By: Copey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Copey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 20:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Big Bear, I totally respect your opinion, and to be honest it’s not a bad one to have.  You uphold a bright shining standard in a game that quite honestly I don’t think the majority of players are up to meeting.  I’m not going to try and justify leaving people out of my runs.  I’ll run my runs and take who I want, as any other person in the game is capable of doing, just as you are capable of doing.  We may agree to disagree, and I’m fine with that.

My only real comment here, and this is on behalf of my current guild, we are brand new.  Yes I am an officer.  But the incident where a person complained to me was when I was in a different guild (Fatal Error I believe, it was long ago), and it was about the amount of DPS a rogue was putting out.  It was so low it basically made the run they were in impossible.  Yes, he shouldn’t have been in there, but it’s not like he is going to get kicked out of the guild, as the person clearly wanted me to do.

Don&#039;t think poorly of my current guild because of my comment is what I mean to say.  I have a feeling that my current GM is more like you than me, as he has refused to invite several people we both know because of past actions such as ninjaing frozen orbs, and complaining non-stop on vent about never getting drops in Naxx.  And I will uphold his standard, and, since we have had this conversation, I&#039;ll mention it to him if I intend to do any runs where I may be farming something specific.  Ask him if it would bother him if one of his officers did such a thing as take clothies on a farm trip for leather items.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big Bear, I totally respect your opinion, and to be honest it’s not a bad one to have.  You uphold a bright shining standard in a game that quite honestly I don’t think the majority of players are up to meeting.  I’m not going to try and justify leaving people out of my runs.  I’ll run my runs and take who I want, as any other person in the game is capable of doing, just as you are capable of doing.  We may agree to disagree, and I’m fine with that.</p>
<p>My only real comment here, and this is on behalf of my current guild, we are brand new.  Yes I am an officer.  But the incident where a person complained to me was when I was in a different guild (Fatal Error I believe, it was long ago), and it was about the amount of DPS a rogue was putting out.  It was so low it basically made the run they were in impossible.  Yes, he shouldn’t have been in there, but it’s not like he is going to get kicked out of the guild, as the person clearly wanted me to do.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t think poorly of my current guild because of my comment is what I mean to say.  I have a feeling that my current GM is more like you than me, as he has refused to invite several people we both know because of past actions such as ninjaing frozen orbs, and complaining non-stop on vent about never getting drops in Naxx.  And I will uphold his standard, and, since we have had this conversation, I&#8217;ll mention it to him if I intend to do any runs where I may be farming something specific.  Ask him if it would bother him if one of his officers did such a thing as take clothies on a farm trip for leather items.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 20:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Apparently from the official forum post, 99% of users are immature asshats.  So...yeah.  I&#039;m kinda burned out on the game, having seen this behavior over and over again.  Happened in my own guild, the one that i co-founded.  I had a loot policy (need/greed in 10 mans), got a guy to be RL for naxx, finally got to 80 and naxx, only to find him picking and choosing loot to give to his &#039;buddies&#039;.  WTF.  GL (my BFF) doesn&#039;t do anything.  Okay, fine whatever.  Just won&#039;t run naxx any more.   Had more luck getting loot on random naxx pugs than with the guild.   Oh well, that&#039;s life.  Loot isn&#039;t everything.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently from the official forum post, 99% of users are immature asshats.  So&#8230;yeah.  I&#8217;m kinda burned out on the game, having seen this behavior over and over again.  Happened in my own guild, the one that i co-founded.  I had a loot policy (need/greed in 10 mans), got a guy to be RL for naxx, finally got to 80 and naxx, only to find him picking and choosing loot to give to his &#8216;buddies&#8217;.  WTF.  GL (my BFF) doesn&#8217;t do anything.  Okay, fine whatever.  Just won&#8217;t run naxx any more.   Had more luck getting loot on random naxx pugs than with the guild.   Oh well, that&#8217;s life.  Loot isn&#8217;t everything.</p>
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