Go, worship her latest post.

I feel wisdom should be venerated, as it is so bloody rare. And there is much to admire in the wisdom of Lady Jess.

Following fast on the heels of her beloved post about Abrams the tanking bear (I wish I woulda thought of that… I ended up naming my new tanking Hunter Bear pet ‘Clawsome’ instead) is a post about her feelings when checking out upcoming Lifebloom changes on the PTR… her feelings, her initial reaction… and then, what happened when she felt her personal priority shift bringing sanity back at last. 

Go read it, and maybe you’ll be prepped for where this post is coming from.

Gone and done it? Got it? Good.

Here we go.

First off, let’s set the stage here. I posted about my take on stuff that I said was centered around Dual Specs over a week ago.

It ended up not really having much to do with Dual Specs and more to do with game balance, but I clearly touched a nerve with that one. 

Okay. I get it. A lot of you disagreed with me. Okay? 

I would have thought the first 50 comments telling me you think I’m wrong were sufficient to get your position across to me, but some of you, as far as I can figure, don’t think so.

There are even bloggers that still apparently feel so passionately that I was wrong, that they are still posting rebuttals to it. Well-written rebuttals to be sure, but… well, that ship sailed last week, didn’t it? Or did I miss some new perspective on the whole thing?

Maybe it was kick the bear week and I missed the announcement.

Kinda makes me proud to have been able to piss some folks off THAT bad, actually.

I will say one thing.

There were many points made that had, for their foundation, the implied belief that all classes that do DPS are well balanced. In fact, I saw several comments that said that a 5% buff to a Mage or Rogues’ DPS would be so unbalancing that it would kill the game for hybrids.

Thank you very much for the laugh, that was awesome.

If you think that DPS classes are balanced at the moment, really balanced THAT close to each other, I need you to get in touch with my secretary, there is this excellent deal going down right now, and you can get in on the ground floor with your initial investment. Cash only, please. Act now, opportunities like this are available for a limited time only… like, for just as long as I’m ahead of the PO-lice in getting to the train station.

Okay, having had my fun, let’s get on to where I was inspired by Lady Jess… and where my own thoughts on the upcoming Patch have been going.

I love the inherent structure of Lady Jess’s post.

She illustrates beautifully the cycle; apprehension, fear, worry, and outrage over changes. 

It happens time after time.

We are told there will be a new patch.

We know what things are like now, so we wonder… what will change in the new patch? Will my class be changed? What ABOUT my class will be changed? Will the changes add something totally new? Will the changes take away something that I love? Will the changes make me more powerful in my chosen role? Or will I be weaker in the dawning of a new age? Will all the bugs I have endured finally be fixed? Will any? Some? Please? 

Worry sets in. Worry about the unknown. Fear about change. Change that you cannot control.

But maybe you can control it. You are told that Blizzard listens to feedback. They want to know what you think. There are forums, there are blogs, there are endless opportunities to comment.

And so, the speculation begins, WELL before any actual changes are even announced.

This feeds posts speculating, and keeps the tension high…

Until the first depth charge hits.

People asking questions in a panic, speculating, bitching… get a Developer to comment on thier posts in the forums, hinting at what some of the changes may be. Vague ideas are mentioned. Fuel has been added to the fire directly from an official source.

The speculation rises. People begin making up numbers based on vague mumblings from Blue posts and start posting what the “new changes will bring!!!!!”, don’t ask me why.

And then, the big one gets dropped, the one that makes the first depth charges look puny…

The new patch is on the PTR… and we have Patch notes to go over.

We now have proof things will change.

Big or small, there will be changes. And even though we KNOW, we are told time after TIME, that the patches on the PTR are subject to vast, drastic changes at any time… we treat every patch build as gospel in the speculations.

In some ways, you need to understand, some things get changed simply to prove to the community that the game is being actively and vigorously supported. If there were no changes, if all that got added to the game was new content, then it would be spun by SOMEONE as being a stagnant game, a dead game, a game where there were new ‘levels’ or content, but no actual changes.

It would be a game where, if you felt your class is weaker than someone else’s… and there was no HOPE for a future improvement or balancing or buff… then you would quickly become disheartened, discouraged with your class. People would leave, if there was no hope for change.

So long as the HOPE is alive that your issues may be addressed in the next patch… well, then hope can keep your interest in the game alive.

So you have a list of patch notes to read. And the patch itself is available for the community to test. MMO-Champion vigorously tests it, looking for undocumented changes, things that are new that have not been officially announced… and obviously, somone somewhere is going to freak.

Because… lol… someones’ class is changed. The changes added something totally new, they removed things that someone loved, they made some folks weaker, and gave other folks a buff. 

At this point, those folks that were perfectly happy with exactly what they were doing in the game, that were having fun, that were simply rolling along with a smile and a singing heart… well, if they got changes they feel are going to take some of that fun away, make them weaker, or even just make things DIFFERENT… those folks are gonna get pissed.

Upset.

Furious.

Ranting and raging and carrying on.

And before you say “It’s just a game, walk it off”, try and be awake enough to remember, this is a game about becoming emotionally invested in the character that you have created, that you have spent considerable time with, and through whom you have lived wild adventures.

Don’t act all ignorant and sneer at folks that get upset when stuff changes in new and unexpected ways after several years, okay?

Sure, you see changes that will dramatically (or not) affect the character that you love, and you get upset.

More often, you read the changes, but you don’t really understand how they will affect you. Not really. They seem like they might be a nerf, but by how much? Maybe they are a buff, and you just don’t see where it links together with something else. Hope springs eternal.

This is where WoW Insider gets it’s biggest pagehits. WoW Insider begs for this situation, when players see changes coming, and are dying to know exactly how these changes will affect them. A players fear in the face of change is one of WI’s biggest draws. Nobody is better than WoW Insider at getting that PTR speculation and walkthrough machine running. More power to them, because someone clearly has to do it, and they do it well.

When you go to WoW Insider at a time like this, you are assured that every post will have the words “PTR”, “3.1″, or “Patch” in them somewhere. Unless it’s one of the regular features, anyway. And I won’t lay down what the odds are that the features are going to tie into the patch, either.

I’m not knocking them for it, although it may seem that way. I poke fun, since they take themselves so deadly serious at the top levels, but they know what their readers want, and that is what drives their content.

In that way, they are an excellent resource for every player that DOES have these fears. MMO Champion provides the actual knowledge, the information, the research… and WoW Insider’s writers do a fascinating job of interpreting that info into what they feel it will mean for each class and spec, what the future of raiding will be like, how our classes will be affected… it’s the whole enchilada, with extra sauce and lots of cheese.

As I said… WoW Insider carefully studies what the readers want to know, and they do their best to provide that as fast and as comprehensively as possible. So you can get a good idea of what concerns players have in the game, and what drama is brewing, by checking the topics on the front page.

Back on topic…. Players see the changes, and some of them inevitably get afraid, or anxious, or angry.

Lady Jess fired directly into the heart of the subject with her post. When you read these changes, when you see the wavefront coming down upon you, no matter whether it is a buff, a nerf, or just a change in the nature of your class that might just end up having the same results in a different way, you should keep in mind the priorities that really matter.

Remember, you are playing a character in a video game that changes all the time, by design.

No matter what happens, change is inevitable in WoW, just as it is in life. Railing against the changes, shouting, screaming, crying and whining… these things are not going to change the simple fact that whatever will happen, will happen.

It is how YOU choose to react to change that will determine what happens in your game.

You may feel, perhaps with strong justification, that there is absolutely no good reason for the changes that are being made. They may piss you off. You may even feel betrayed.

I cannot tell you to stop feeling strongly about the changes that happen to your favorite character. Why would I? I feel strongly as well. I love my characters, we have had many wonderful adventures together.

What I can do is to try and remind you that, in the grand scheme of things, the game you are playing, the character you are playing, the time you are spending in WoW is all meant to be for pleasure. It’s supposed to be fun.

If you find yourself emotionally close to your character, and you feel angry or upset or furious at the changes that you see… then I recommend you immediately take positive action.

First, decide what it is that you currently enjoy that is being changed, and what it is about those changes that are inspiring you to feel unhappy or angry. Reason it out in your mind, and write it down. 

Now that you have done this, go to the Official WoW Forums, find the appropriate category, and post these thoughts of yours there… in as clear, concise and polite a way as possible. Be respectful if you can, for the moderators that will see your comment first will have no power to do anything about it… but a well thought-out, clearly phrased and passionately expressed comment may inspire the moderator to bring it to the attention of a developer.

Now that you have taken the time to think about what it is that has made you so upset… and you have expressed as clearly as possible your thoughts and feelings about it… let it go.

Don’t wait for a developer to reply. Don’t demand answers. Don’t petition, picket or grandstand.

Just let the anger and upset go.

You have done what you can to take positive action about what you feel. You cannot make them understand you, care about you, or listen to you. All you can do is tell them how you feel, and the next part is up to them.

Now, find something else that you can feel positive about doing, and GO DO IT.

Whether it is to continue to play your current character, play an alt, or even to take a break and watch a movie or read a book or do a little skiing.

Take action to do something positive and fun.

As much as we all love this game… it is for fun. If you are beginning to feel worried, stressed, upset and angry over changes in the game, or in how things are going… take charge of your own life, of the things you CAN control, and bring positive change into your life.

Lady Jess is going to be spending more time with the man she loves. She is going to enjoy the parts of the game that bring her joy, and she is going to know when it’s time to walk away and spend some glorious time with her husband and celebrate life.

I cannot possibly think of a better reaction to what Lady Jess expressed. 

Wisdom. She haz it.

Now, that would be the perfect place to end this post. But this is a blog, ostensibly, about Feral Druids. So I am sure someone, somewhere, wants to know what I think about the latest changes on the PTR.

Well, let’s look at the changes, shall we?

So far, Heart of the Wild is nerfed to increase Stamina in Dire Bear form by 10% instead of 20%, Survival of the Fittest now increases your armor contribution from cloth and leather items in Bear Form and Dire Bear Form by 33% instead of 66%, and we get a popup video bubble, Savage Defense, 1 rank, level 40 – Each time you deal a melee critical strike, you gain Savage Defense, reducing the damage taken from the next physical attack that strikes you by 25% of your attack power.

Okay… what do I think?

I think I’m having a fine time with everything just the way it is, thanks. I do not feel I need any of these changes, thank you very much. No, really. I pass on this loot. Just say no. Nyet. Kiss my bear butt, but NO.

To reiterate… I play a Feral Druid as a main tank, and I do not want you to change a single bloody thing, okay?

But seeing as how you’re going to do it anyway, because I am apparently way too uber….

My response is to say, yes, if these changes go into effect as they are currently written, this is a fairly sizeable nerf. It will undoubtedly make me a little unhappy. I feel I worked fairly hard to determine exactly what gear I needed to be primed to set foot in Naxx as a main tank, I played instances repeatedly until I acquired that gear, and I even anticipated their last round of nerfs/changes, and worked hard to have the best gear I felt I could obtain for use after them.

So, no, I do not currently feel I am overpowered. If I am a capable tank, able to perform my particular part in a raid well, I do not feel as if I ‘lucked’ into it or cheated. I feel that I worked pretty hard and with foresight and careful planning to be able to be a good team player and a strong asset to our runs.

But things will change no matter what the heck I might want. And even if these changes end up making us weaker tanks than we are right now, and I can’t possibly see how they wouldn’t… I’ll still have fun. 

You see, what some folks seem to forget is, I was Feral when Feral wasn’t cool.

I was Feral Old Skool, baby. I was Feral from level 1 to 60 in old WoW, pre every damn buff patch we ever got. I was kitty, and I had one incredibly fun ride.

Sure, I never did the DPS of anyone else, sure I wasn’t worth as much as a tank, sure it took me forever to level as a feral kitty pre-BC… and I never knew nor cared, because I wasn’t comparing myself with anyone else, it wasn’t a competition to see who levels the fastest, DPS the most, or is the uberist. It is a game for fun! And boy, have I had fun. 

Even if changes someday were to make it impossible for me to main tank or off tank a raid, or even a five man heroic… I will continue to enjoy playing, because it’s not about whether I’m a better tank than a Warrior or Paladin or Death Knight, it’s not about the size of my epeen or being a tanking god.

I’ve always been all about having a ton of fun as a Feral Druid.

Unless they pull out my darn claws and replace cat form with bunny form, I just don’t see the inherent fun I have with the class ever going away.  And even then… I can see having a smoking good time with playing a death bunny. I best have one hell of a long range pounce attack in bunny form, is all I’m saying.

If you don’t feel that way about the changes to your favorite character, if you feel that you have to live in the negative, if you are consumed with fear, worry, anger or rage at what you think is going to happen, and you just can’t back off, regain some perspective, and let it go…

Well, why not play a nice game of chess, instead?

Or maybe watch a movie, this thing called Watchmen is coming out this weekend, I understand. It looks like a fine, G-rated romp with lots of critters like Owls and such. Should be a fun, relaxing good time.

27 Responses to “Lady Jess, living goddess, and Druid patch discussions!”
  1. Lady Jess says:

    *Blushes* why thank you Sir Bear:)

  2. Lady Jess says:

    Oh and PS: named the Devilsaur Stryker ;)

  3. Akkivvitt says:

    Ooo… chess! It’s been too long. I wonder if I can still find someone to play.

    Good idea Bear!

    Thanks!

  4. Kym says:

    Nom.

    We raid naxx with a Feral MT OT. We work with each other well. We have a Kitty dps and a tree for heals. Yup. 4 druids in Naxx. No, we havent cleared it, yet. Got up to the Heigan Dance last night and that was a barrel of laughs.

    When the leather DPS gear drops, the MT and OT (me) looked at it, and decided that Kitty needs the upgrade more than we do. So we both pass. :)
    The tree’s not even mildly interested in shredding.

    Looking at the new nerfs and Savage Defence? Damn..we should have rolled :)

    But hey, it’s a game. We have fun. We laugh, a LOT.
    That counts for something :)

    Kym

  5. Kamp says:

    I like your view point BBB. I’ve also pushed myself to get the gear I have. I’m NOT uber, and I’m not OP… I really do see the patch as a nerf. Well, if we get a ton of +crit and +ap gear in Ulduar, it wouldn’t be quite so bad.
    I think it’s normal to feel an emotional investment in your toon. If you didn’t, then why are you playing a RPG? Even if your not on a carebear RP server like me. We have invested time, stress, emotions, and passion in this toon. Maybe other people rely on you. Friends. I know they rely on me. I’m MT for 10 man Naxx, and I MT some of the bosses for our 25 man. Esp, the 10 man group. Those people really rely on me to be there, and to be a good tank. I don’t want to let them down.

    I was not around for vanilla, I came in after BC. I leveled a mage, and I put him in T5 gear pre-patch. It was my only toon. I ran with a Bear one day. Not too many of them on my server. I was really impressed. What a great tank. I hated my level 11 warrior, couldn’t get the feel of the pally. I fell in love with the bear. I’m just got the feeling of the bear in it’s current form down. Now I need to rethink all my gear and the choices I’ve made with it.

  6. ARA says:

    Nice critique of change. Couldnt agree more with you. Personally, I’m very positive for the future of bear tanking. Blizzard just do too good a job at producing their game, and they just get better and better at it. For whatever reason, I’m more or less immune to the wave of panic etc that you describe so well (though I know why it happens of course, I feel small twinges of it). In the grand scheme of the tanking game, Blizzard have worked too hard to make all tanks equally able to tank all content, give or take the odd encounter, which is always going to be the case. I do feel rather OP atm stamina-wise, so I’m pretty glad of a nerf. Why? Because it gives me faith in their design principles, and in their stated intention that all tanks should be able to tank all content. Druids have been just a little too good at it imo, and warriors/pallies have felt a little left out. When the tables turn around, and druids & dks start to feel a little left out, I have no doubt they will readjust again. Anyway, I’ll be tanking hard mode Ulduar on my bear! – see you there :)

  7. Bo says:

    Awesome post BBB and this is exactly the reason why I have not blogged about anything regarding the 3.1 changes, at this point in time it’s almost counter-productive as nothing is set in stone and will change. Idle speculation and sensatialism is not what we need. Whatever changes come, will come in time. Once they are set in stone, that’s when I’ll start to pay heed.

  8. Honorshammer says:

    As a fellow blogger, it’s a difficult choice. Blog about the changes and drive the hit counter, or wait and see and not try to add to the hysteria.

    The first part of your post was excellent, book mark worthy stuff. I loved it. Right up until you started talking about the actual changes.

    While you may not feel personally overpowered, there is a balance issue between the pure EH tanks (Druids and DKs) and the Shield Tanks (Warriors and Paladins). ARA sees it, acknowledgs it, accepts it. The changes show how Blizzard intends to address that balance issue at least in regards to Druids, I have a hunch work still needs to be done to DKs.

    Tests from the now famous Patchwerk Tanking dummy on the PTR show you guys are going okay, you’ll still able to main tank for your guild. If Blizzard truly breaks Bear Tanking, I have every confidence they will fix it.

  9. Graimerin says:

    Goodness you played feral when feral wasn’t cool. With all the love for Barbara Mandrel I so totally agree with you 3B. I have a similar thing with my paladin. Back in the dark ages of original WoW he was prot. Yes my beloved Grai tank em all coming up threw. I loved becoming the flavor of the month when BC came out and now days we are said to be OP. Bah buff or nerf or dual spec he will always be Grai and it will always be me behind the keyboard.

    I gave up PTR chasing pre sunwell and have no desire to return.

    Excellent post as always. Heck i have a baby druid somewhere whos in her 20′s but I come here to read the rants and share the laughs.

    As for in game I had to be away for about 2 weeks computer problems, missed being with my friends, my guildies more than I ever did a spell rotation or did i miss a major change.

  10. Random Poster says:

    I think what bothers me about the changes is two thing.

    One I feel like the nerf is being done because of one encounter…Sartharion 3D. We are desired for that fight because of the massive healthpool we can reach. Thing is the DK makes a just as good if not better tank for that encounter with their cooldowns and not seen much along the lines nerfing them in that regard.

    Second It makes me feel like a warrior with less options. We essentially picked up “block” and changed the defining features of being a bear which was Big Health and Big armor to turn us in to a pale imitation of a warrior.

    None of that will make me give up my Druid. I do pretty good DPS as a Cat right now (and that’s getting buffed) so if for some reason tanking becomes unfun I can always go cat with a different offspec.

  11. Maebius says:

    /respect
    As others have stated, excellent post indeed. I see the changes as, not worrisome or enfuriating, but “Unnecessary for my playstyle”. I’m not max level, have had a SV hunter since (as you so eloquently put it) “before SV farming spec was cool” mostly because I LOVE the Wyvern Sting and snake traps. I’ll continue playing, and adapt.
    Priorities! I won’t raid, don’t really PvP, and am generally a noob huntard as far as the forums are concerned. It’s lots of fun, fo’shizzle. ;)

  12. Copey says:

    I agree that it could be a nerf that hits us pretty hard. And I also agree that if they break us, they will fix us. While waiting to be fixed, I’ll do something else for my guild, either Heal or drop bombs as a moonkin. I just picked up my Hateful Gladiator’s Wyrmhide Robes from VOA, and maybe they will get some use. I see no reason to panic, but then again, I leveled up to 70 in the balance tree, healed most of the way through BC, and have tanked everything in Wrath. So I am familiar and love playing every aspect of a druid (except cat form, where I can’t seem to get much past an average of 1500-1600 dps over an instance run).

  13. Euripides says:

    I would totally support a bunny form for druids- it could be like your version of feign death. If a raid is wiping, and the boss goes around trying to see if each hunter is dead or just playing possum, you could be innocently off in a corner chewing on a carrot. Who’s to say you weren’t there the whole time? Not Patch, that’s for sure :)

  14. Synkai of Khagdar says:

    I was Feral when Feral wasn’t cool………….HELL BELLS FREAKING DAMN RIGHT!!!!!!!

    I feel completely elated to see someone else state exactly what I stated since vanilla wow started that long ago day. I have always played my druid as my main, because hell that is what she is, my main toon, my go to gal, my “You want it done, call out the Pack of One!!”. I have been there for every single nerf and buff, enjoyed the ups and waded through the downs, of what i believe is the best class in game. Now don’t get me wrong I play a few other toons as well, a shammy, a hunter, a rogue, hell I even made a DK just so I could figure out what all the fuss was about. Now when it comes to what I suggest people try out when they want to mess with the world of Azeroth, I tell them play Druid!!!! When the next question comes up as why, I say because we are the one class that you can try all the different ways of exploring the world on, and you dont have to reroll to do it. Want to nuke things, make a BOOMkin, want to be a healer, grow some leaves and bark, want to be a meatwall then TANKS WIT YUZ FACE, or want to be sneaky then get kitty. No other class has such a great range of things to explore and get to play with like ours does. I do tell them that we are not the best at what we do in some cases and I tell them that they are going to get tweeked with almost every patch , and I see some get fed up and I see some stay. All I know thru all of this is that I am damn proud of what I can do and I love to see others happy with the class they play as well. As for the dual spec and the next patch buffs or nerfs, I am looking forward to it for one reasona nd one reason only. Blizz may tweek or even break the class sometimes, but damn it druids are hybrids and that means we are able to adjust and still move forward. I for one plan on main tanking all of the next batch of content just to show blizz we are stil a fantastic class and to make sure people know that we can do whatever we put or skills towards. And just to rub it in I am taking a Tree and a Boomer with me :P . Not only was I feral before feral was cool, I WAS DRUID BEFORE DRUID WAS COOL!!!

    By the way I read your blog daily and this is the first time I had to write in and I am glad I did. Keep up the great work.

  15. Emptywords says:

    Nice post BBB, couldn’t agree with you more. Just need to encourage other bears to be optimistic about the future of our class.

    Chess anyone? :p

    -jaded (emptywords)

  16. Ghostwheel says:

    I love it. I’m get pretty tired of all the patch cheering, booing and hissing. I think anyone who’s played this game for a long time has seen the ebb and flow of buffs and nerfs. I just can’t get too worked up about it all anymore. This patch’s nerf will be the next patch’s buff. My pally is ret, my shaman is elemental, my priest is disc, my druid is boomkin (at the moment) and my dk is dual-wielding. I’ve been ZOMG-buffed, and I’ve been nerfed “to the ground.” It’s all still fun, and I’m still playing. :)

  17. Jamari says:

    Hey 3B great post. I am a tank for my guild but in no way the main tank. I am in complete T7.5 or better gear with a 38% dodge and about 38k health (unbuffed) some say that is uber, but I don’t. I have no block ability and no parry ability. The Paladins in my guild have over 30k health and combined a 40% or better block/parry/dodge. I don’t see how anyone can say a Bear tank is Uber when, according to most of the posters above they have not seen a Pali or DK in full T7.5 or better. Yes I have the Sarth 3d achievement from Heroic, but it was a DK main tank until we got the second drake down then I switched in, and after 3d drake a warrior switched in as MT. I know that is a lot of switching but sometimes as a druid (hybrid class) our abilities are needed like Battle Rez.

    I have to say up until I got into a more oreinted Raid guild I always thought what many others here did about the tanking, that I was a bit OP, but that changed when I finally saw what a good geared Pally or DK can do.

    For those that are having trouble getting over the 1500dps take a look at your Hit Rating and Expertise, I do believe that 3B here had a great post on it not too long ago.

  18. Hurric says:

    You just cemented my desire to keep my dk frost to level. It is the playstyle I like and it is what I want. Thanks BBB you always bring the game back into focus.

  19. bigbearbutt says:

    You know Jamari, it’s quite true that it is SO hard to take anyone seriously when they demand one class get nerfed because they perceive it to be overpowered, when there are so many different variables in gearing, and so many different opinions as to where the ‘balance’ is supposed to be.

    I have had some folks say that which tank is more powerful than another tank discussions are meaningless until you start talking about full Naxx gear, because “the game is balanced around full Naxx geared players.”

    Others feel that full pre-Naxx starter gear from Heroics and crafted is where the balance should be considered.

    And none of these discussions talk intelligently about the affect simply thinking about and effectively working out a rotation strategy and playing WELL can have on a particular players’ ability copared to anothers.

    As an example, I have personally seen while playing in PUGs on my Hunter, incognito, Paladin tanks that are incredibly well geared and intelligently gemmed and enchanted… who simply sucked. Just wipe-city stupidity. And I have played with Paladin tanks in PUGs where a /inspect made me cry with fear of high repair bills because of their ‘crap’ gear… and the player marked so well in cooperation with well coordinated strategies, and responded so quickly to changes that I wanted to marry the guy. Made for a very easy, smooth, almost effortless run. And yes, I am taking into account healer gear and stats in that statement.

    If I were going to make a statement of opinion based off those experiences… if I looked at the first encounter, would it be reasonable to make a blanket sweeping generalization that Paladins are inferior tanks compared to other classes because even while in top gear and gems and enchants, they can’t do the job as well? Would it be fair to look at the second example and state that all Paladins are overpowered because I’ve seen them tank heroics and even ten mans smoothly and effortlessly in nothing but blues and quest rewards and crafted?

    Or perhaps, just perhaps, before making some kind of generalized statement about who deserves a nerf or a buff, somebody should actually have serious knowledge and a reasonable basis for comparison before making sweeping statements like that just to stir up controversy. And saying “I read it on Elitist Jerks somewhere” doesn’t cut a damn bit of ice here. If you haven’t got firsthand data yourself, then don’t say anything AT ALL. Because you’re not giving me YOUR opinion, you’re giving me THEIR opinion, regurgitated.

    I much prefer people who tell me about their actual firsthand experiences… and I wish more people would actually take into account the gear levels and skill levels when making such comparisons in their statements before drawing conclusions.

    You can certainly see plenty of folks state that, when comparing how well one tank survives getting beat on against another, one may last longer than the other when neither hits a button, but I don’t call that a ‘decisive’ ranking of who tanks better. Trying to state that one tank class is inherently better than another in the game is a bold declaration to make, and if you’re going to make, it, bring some actual firsthand data or solid experiences that shows that more than one gimmick fight proves your point. Otherwise, it’s just noise.

    I have yet to see anything in my range of content that any tank can’t effectively handle if carefully equipped and skillfully played, and with a good team of friends on their side. Period. And you know what? That’s all I need to know. Not what kind of tank someone is, but simply that they are a tank… and are geared and know what they’re doing from personal experience.

    Game balance is an amazing and subjective thing that allows so much abuse when casting fingers… so many variables, so many opinions, so much history. How long should you ride the buff train after x amount of months as the nerfed class? How long should Bears get to enjoy being desired after so many years of being reviled? How long should Paladins have had to be the masters in BC after so many years as the underdogs? Who gets to ride the buff train now, and for how long before somebody else gets a turn?

    Heck, I know exactly where I can end this comment… with the obvservation that some people just take themselves too damn seriously.

    hehehe… Why so serious?

    Okay, now I gotta go watch The Dark Knight again, damnit….

  20. Kelektra says:

    “”You see, what some folks seem to forget is, I was Feral when Feral wasn’t cool.

    I was Feral Old Skool, baby. I was Feral from level 1 to 60 in old WoW, pre every damn buff patch we ever got. I was kitty, and I had one incredibly fun ride.”"

    AMEN!

  21. Ribeye says:

    Admittedly, I’m not too thrilled about this upcoming patch and what will happen to ferals. The whole WotLK ride has been nothing short of a rollercoaster for ferals, and NOW, when it finally feels “fixed” to be a feral again, and enjoyable – away it goes again.

    It’s annoying from the standpoint that you need to re-learn your class every patch. It’s annoying that you can’t really target a gear set accordingly because one set may work in patch such-and-such, but be blase for the next.

    Now? For repeatedly stating this “bring the player, not the class” mantra, ferals are VERY CLEARLY the 4th best tanking option for almost everything. The one edge that you really have as a feral, the flexibility to “go kitty” when you aren’t needed to tank, is disappearing with dual specs. Feral threat gen is less (unless you’re rocking full-on Naxx-25 gear), mitigation is less, avoidance is close to on par. It’s not good.

    Even worse, when you dissect this “problem” to ascertain the root cause, you come to another issue: the feral stamina nerf is needed in large part due to three items in this game (here’s a hint: they all start with “polar”). So, rather than fix the items to discourage polar bears (lol, I kill me), they just whack the class in general. Once again, damage will be spiky, tanking will be gimmicky and overall effectiveness will be less than a similar iLevel Warrior, Paladin or DK.

    I played a feral for the majority of BC. Ribeye was a toon that I spent a *lot* of time on, and one that I greatly enjoyed playing. Now? I just don’t have fun with him anymore – in fact, I’m really, really considering speccing into Boomkin for the first time EVER, just so that I can enjoy him again. It’s tragic in a sense that being a feral feels something like being a big furry tennis ball, bouncing all over the place at the whim of the devs. Maybe sometime soon they’ll settle down and we can has a little consistency, but til then? I’m playing my Shaman more and more, and leveling alts.

    Please quit “fixing” druids, Blizz. Thank you.

  22. plainsrunner says:

    BBB, epic follow up post to Lady Jess’

    People often wonder why, even though I have been playing so long, that my highest alt is a level 35….I love my feral. No other class has even come close to giving me the joy that Plainsrunner brings. I have fun when I am farming old rep. I have fun running for achievements….hell, I have fun shifting forms and going from half naked Tauren dancing in org to doing the Feral Bear can can.

    Sure there are highs and lows with the nerfs and buffs….but the greatest high of all is being able to run and jump off dalaraan and freefall 600 feet into a epic bird dive 5 feet from the ground…and if you are lucky having someone who doesn’t know try to do the same thing with one of their mounts. We are the furry, the beaked, the clawed and the awesome….and in all honesty…you could almost buff my feral into a coma and it would not matter. Why, because ghostcrawler said that the artists are working on new forms (or art for them)…the most awesome gift you could give us- especially we tauren who have played ugly cat for so long :)

    My wish is that some day we druids, night elf and tauren can play side by side because I think more than any other class- we share a love of our class that I rarely see others hold and the great blogs and druid community puts the druid love out there for all to see on a daily basis. For that, thank you.

    Druids FTW baby!

  23. Bronwenn says:

    First let me say that this blog gives me a much better perspective on my role than many of the others out there. Ok I love my dps kitty, I love my face tank. I love my druid. I hate that I have to relearn, redefine, and redefend my role with every patch. Seriously, I am not a hard core raider, and I don’t want to be. But, I do want to have a chance at gear in the higher teirs at some point in my WoW life. If feral druids aren’t “desirable” in raids because of this nerf I can kiss my chances at gear goodbye. I’ve spent my whole time in WoW being passed over for hunters or mages or locks that out dps me, or for prot warriors and thier almighty sheilds. Blizz has always treated ferals as bastard children, and this time around is no different.

  24. Taeraresh says:

    Great post, BBB.
    I’m only doing feral DPS right now, as my guild is very heavy on (really skilled) tanks, but I’m halfway working on a set of tanking gear just in case.
    All we can really do is hope that things get tested and changed to make bear tanking still viable, and testing is what the PTR is for, after all.
    I also completely agree with the sentiment about continuing to play a druid just because they’re so much fun to play. Things like being able to shift from cat to bear mid-battle to grab adds if a tank goes down, being able to rebirth or innervate and help the raid succeed. That sort of flexibility is what makes being a druid fun, IMO.
    Plainswalker, that relates to something I’ve been thinking about for a while now. Regardless of being Tauren or Night Elf, druids are all on the same side, as made evident in a number of the druid quests. We really should be able to communicate and work with (somehow) with druids from the opposite faction.

  25. Kanti says:

    I have been playing a Druid since the very begining and I have never once tried the feral spec. I honestly have to say that if they included a bunny form with some kind of killer long range pounce attack or maybe some kind of vorpal bunny attack, I would completely respec to Feral and never look back. That would just be hilarious to me.

    I guess I spend too much time doing other things outside of the game that I just don’t understand the whole “patch” freak out that seems to happen each time. I never log onto the PTR, and I don’t visit the WoW forums all that often at all. Each patch is a complete surprise to me until I download it and sit there reading the notes as it argues with my firewall. Most of the time I have little to no understand of the changes and the ones I do understand never seem to be all that horrible in my mind. I guess since I play the game purely for fun the numbers don’t really mean a whole lot to me. I have never done Raids or BG and with PvP it’s something that kind of fell on me and I am not sure if I want to keep doing it. It was kind of fun though, I mean I felt kind of sorry for the elf at first, but after a few minutes it was apperant that she had just eaten a big bowl of stupid that morning so I was doing everyone else in the area a favor by offing her repeatedly, but I digress.

    Since I take each patch as it comes I am never prepared for the changes. This means that my gear is always ridiculously out of date and kind of sad and I have to spend time messing around with my add-ons. That is pretty much it, and the gear thing isn’t a big deal because my gear is always kind of sad to be honest. Since I don’t raid or bg I just live off quest rewards and what I can make with my LW skillz as it were. The only true change that the patches ever force upon me are play style changes. If an ability I favor is nerfed I either deal or find some other combination that works better. On the rare occasion something is buffed I don’t really notice much except things just die faster which is nice.

    Somewhere in all of this I think I had a point and I may have lost it. So yes, bunny form would be killer awesome and I would totally respec Feral if Blizz added this form. I know it was a joke, but I am totally behind you on this one.

    Oh and Watchmen is a great movie, I agree with the wonderful g-rated romp. Bring the kids! Fun for the whole family!

  26. mavfin says:

    I know what you mean, BBB. I was a protection warrior before shield slam, indeed before you needed to be a deep protection warrior to raid-tank. Back when ‘protection warrior’ meant 31/5/15, I was deep protection because that’s what I rolled the toon to be. Then when shield slam came along, you still didn’t *need* it to tank, but that’s what I had. It was painful to level to 60, yes, but, I didn’t know any better then. Leveling from 60 to 70 was even better, and then 70 to 80 came, and I had a lot of fun, and haven’t stopped yet.

    It’s what I wanted to be, and that’s what I still am. I’ve tanked all the fights in LK currently, and I’ll do Ulduar, too, on my warrior that some say is a ‘gimp’ class for tanking. I know they say that, but, there’s a lot of other tanks out there who can’t keep up with me, no matter what EJ says.

  27. Luneya says:

    I’ll keep this real short, I definitely understand your attitude, and the “I’ve always been all about having a ton of fun as a Feral Druid.”

    But I fear that it’s not that simple.
    To skip back to an assumption: feral druids are apparently in need of an nerf cause we have way too much hp, compared to the other tanking classes… Okay? yes… well… fine I can see some of the logic in that, we indeed have gotten to a point where we could get silly amounts of hp which might indeed make some ulduar encounters alot easier for druid tanks.

    Not saying anything about the 33%armor, I dont feel it should be changed, but from my expectations(hopes/dreams/assumptions/believes) the savage defense will even that out.

    I really have always had loads of fun with my druid, definitely!
    But…
    Most of my fun nowadays comes from tanking in raids, sure I want things to be a challenge!
    But with 10% stam less, I’m pretty sure that will mean that dk’s will be the only tanks capable of tanking sarth +3…
    Not only has the dk raid content customisation be a kick in the balls for many tanks, warriors far more then dk’s, but it’s just downright against blizzards “Bring the player, not the class”

    So druids are brought back on par with warriors & paladins for most encounters? I will still be able to MT a lot of stuff, but having no blocking ability, and way more stam, has always made us unique!
    Put a druid on the hateful strikes!

    But putting this rant aside… I feel that many of these changes, are plain sloppy.
    Healers never going oom… did they ever wanted that to happen in the first place?
    Could they possibly be surprised? Have they not seen that coming?
    Lifebloom being to efficient… only now?
    Bear druids hp unbalancing it for the other tanks?

    Will blizz realise in the next patch that currently DK’s are unbalanced cause they win flat out beat every other tanking class in advanced raiding guilds cause of def. cd rotations? (icebound fortitude -> pain suppresion – > guardian spirit -> etc.)

    There’s just so many things right now, that I don’t see how they will work out, and unfortunately, playing on the ptr doesn’t answer my questions, quite the contrary.

    But in the end, no matter how much they’ll shrink my bearbutt, it will still be good fun!
    As long as I am still desirable for certain encounters, I won’t complain! But many of us fear that ‘bringing us in line’ with other tanking classes, means we’ll become unwanted; which is the key issue for all of these druid nerfs. We had our spot for certain raids, we want to keep those.

    Didn’t keep it very short… <3
    Shift on~

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