Root – I’ve been wondering about that too. As I understood it HoTs didn’t give you any threat if they were applied before the pull and I never saw any reason to question that … until WotLK. As it stands I pre-HoT in any case to make it easier for me and lowering the risk of the tank dying before I’ve had time to get them up and I’ll continue with that until I start hearing complaints about it. I have been thinking about looking into it though but it seems like Omen doesn’t show threat until I’m in combat and when I’m tanking I have enough other things to think of initially.

Btw, I checked out the threat for FFF the other day and it gave me 3.1k threat in total, certanly worth using even after the pull. I tend to use it on Heigan while dancing in a try not loosing too much threat even if I generally taunt asap when he rushes back in anyway, just to be on the safe side.

Kind of reminds of doing that in reverse in TBC. HoT myself (bear MT) immediately before the pull so I’d get a little early healing and global threat. Not really needed any more but yeah, I miss those “fancy pull” days too.

Anything that raises stats, such as Strength, Health or Wisdom, Agility, et al generate threat.

I cannot answer you as to why, if you had just done an initial pull, anyone else would pull aggro by doing a self buff like eating food, drinking, or using the Warlock’s ability to swap health for mana. Since you were the only one taking an action, the others should not as of yet been in combat and the mobs should not have even known they existed.

But I can tell you that, if the Warlock had tossed a single dot or any kind of attack at your incoming main target, and had THEN traded health for mana, every other mob would have had threat generated from the Mana gain and gone after him.

Just a thought.

I have noticed irregularities in global threat and mob awareness dating from the same time as well, but I’ve never been able to pin down wth might be causing it on a consistent basis. I just know that I feel someone has a self buff that is bugged and IS causing aggro as if it affected the tank, because as I said, I’ve seen the same kind of thing on occasion.

Maybe part of it is I never run with a Warlock in the group. The guild has two at 80, and one doesn’t run with me, and the other plays his Paladin most of the time as heals. So maybe it’s a Warlock only thing that I haven’t had the chance to see often enough.

There’s an add-on called ‘tank warnings’ – sends a raid warning when you use panic-button abilities. I find it’s a handy way to warn the healers that you’ve used them without needing to type or call out.

I was reading the tooltip on said pet spell and it tells me that: “Cower, causing no damage but lowering your threat, making the enemy less likely to attack you” seems to indicate that the spell is intended for the Hunter, lowering the Hunter’s threat, and not the actual pet.

Any one actually successfully tested this on training dummies and on OMEN?

I am in Australia and unfortunately, my net ping is such that I cannot track the change in TPS adequately to come to a satisfactory conclusion.

Any assistance would be very helpful and will engender much thanks.

I’d walk into Slave Pens, or Kara, or any other at-level instance in the game; we’d all buff. Finish buffing. Readycheck. I’d head towards a group and throw FFF on one of them. And one of the other little buggers would amble right past me towards that oh-so-squishy mage that hadn’t even been buffing himself since I pulled.

There are two possibilities here (that I can think of):

a) Said mage/warlock/whatnot (it has happened on multiple occasions) was lying, every time. This is not inconceivable, but I’d hope my friends in-game wouldn’t lie to me like that, and I’ve heard “Oops, I popped [Threat-Causing Ability] before you hit it, my bad.” plenty of times.

b) They tweaked aggro someone so it’s not so straight-forward on pulls.

I’m not the only tank who’s noticed it, but rather than doing research, I make sure I get a swipe in before they get past me… I’ve been a wee bit on the lazy side there.

It still happens, however, and to other tanks too. Have you noticed it, by any chance?

I remember reading BBB when I first started tanking, and then buying my Warden Staff at level 43 and chanting it with +25 agi and blowing all my gold. I then had my trusty tanking weapon until I got to level 64 and grabbed the Braxxis :P good times indeed.

btw, tanked Korgy and XT last night. First incursion (yea I know, a tad slower than a lot of bears in here, but it’s a casual guild) In polar for the added padding. And I’ll have to agree with Jace. I might have to see if the healers can keep me up if I start trading stamina for agility, dodge, hit and attackpower cos I didn’t find the need to use the polar set for Sapp. There were definately some close moments there with TPS with the trigger happy going nuts within 3 seconds of the pull.

:)

Heck yeah you have Uldar readers, you’re a great blogger period.

Ignis, because of all the movement and wearing all polar gear.
Hodir, see above plus DPS is getting buffed.

I am going to start playing with health levels to see just how low I can go and still be kept up.