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		<title>By: Matojo</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2009/06/25/hows-your-enthusiasm-level/comment-page-1/#comment-18528</link>
		<dc:creator>Matojo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not &lt;em&gt;as&lt;/em&gt; gung-ho as I was, but I still find things that I enjoy in the game. It&#039;s still my hobby and one of my major interests, it still fuels my creativity in ways that I thought had &lt;em&gt;gone&lt;/em&gt; when my college program sucked the life out of me. I&#039;ve been playing for four years now and the game is still interesting and engaging to me.

I have two 80s, three mid-70s, a couple 70s, several in the 60s. Learning the ropes of various classes, seeing various dungeons and challenging myself - I think it&#039;ll remain interesting for a while. Taking the leap into Alliance waters for the first time in three years definitely helps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not <em>as</em> gung-ho as I was, but I still find things that I enjoy in the game. It&#8217;s still my hobby and one of my major interests, it still fuels my creativity in ways that I thought had <em>gone</em> when my college program sucked the life out of me. I&#8217;ve been playing for four years now and the game is still interesting and engaging to me.</p>
<p>I have two 80s, three mid-70s, a couple 70s, several in the 60s. Learning the ropes of various classes, seeing various dungeons and challenging myself &#8211; I think it&#8217;ll remain interesting for a while. Taking the leap into Alliance waters for the first time in three years definitely helps.</p>
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		<title>By: Lily</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2009/06/25/hows-your-enthusiasm-level/comment-page-1/#comment-18457</link>
		<dc:creator>Lily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 06:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been playing for several years now, my druid was always my main and I levelled veeery slowly. I got bored during the levelling and did other things. Eventually I reached level 70, and raiding has been my passion since. I raid in a casual guild, but I raid seriously. I can&#039;t commit to 5 nights a week, and besides I love my guild and my friends there. I still hate levelling, I&#039;m here always to make and game with friends. Solving strategies in a group is the most fun I can have and exploring raids remains exciting to me. I&#039;m eager to see the bosses in Ulduar, and I still want to go back some time and see Black Temple, which I never saw.

Once in awhile I wonder if I should do something different with my spare time. I wonder if this is all a &quot;waste&quot;, but I&#039;m still having fun and for now that&#039;s what is important. If it weren&#039;t for the people, I&#039;d go in a heartbeat, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been playing for several years now, my druid was always my main and I levelled veeery slowly. I got bored during the levelling and did other things. Eventually I reached level 70, and raiding has been my passion since. I raid in a casual guild, but I raid seriously. I can&#8217;t commit to 5 nights a week, and besides I love my guild and my friends there. I still hate levelling, I&#8217;m here always to make and game with friends. Solving strategies in a group is the most fun I can have and exploring raids remains exciting to me. I&#8217;m eager to see the bosses in Ulduar, and I still want to go back some time and see Black Temple, which I never saw.</p>
<p>Once in awhile I wonder if I should do something different with my spare time. I wonder if this is all a &#8220;waste&#8221;, but I&#8217;m still having fun and for now that&#8217;s what is important. If it weren&#8217;t for the people, I&#8217;d go in a heartbeat, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Kemonojin</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2009/06/25/hows-your-enthusiasm-level/comment-page-1/#comment-18431</link>
		<dc:creator>Kemonojin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 22:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(BTW, the &#039;you&#039; up there is NOT BBB... sort of an open letter / editorial rant type thing.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(BTW, the &#8216;you&#8217; up there is NOT BBB&#8230; sort of an open letter / editorial rant type thing.)</p>
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		<title>By: Suxxy</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2009/06/25/hows-your-enthusiasm-level/comment-page-1/#comment-18421</link>
		<dc:creator>Suxxy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 14:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mailing BoA items cross faction, yes I would love that too, but 2 things:
1) I want to mail the 4 yr anniversary baby bear pet cross faction too (for servers where I, at the time, had only one faction but have since rolled the other); and
2) Worry about the BoA items later, the time to roll alts is apon us; the Fire Festival allows you to proc a 300 fire damage; read that again THREE HUNDRED fire damage. That, my friend, is a whole lot of hurt on a lowbie mob :)
Plus the flame achievements. Not so much into achievements myself, but 1750 xp for lighting a bon-fire, and 2500 xp for snuffing out the opposite faction&#039;s fire. Burn, baby, burn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mailing BoA items cross faction, yes I would love that too, but 2 things:<br />
1) I want to mail the 4 yr anniversary baby bear pet cross faction too (for servers where I, at the time, had only one faction but have since rolled the other); and<br />
2) Worry about the BoA items later, the time to roll alts is apon us; the Fire Festival allows you to proc a 300 fire damage; read that again THREE HUNDRED fire damage. That, my friend, is a whole lot of hurt on a lowbie mob :)<br />
Plus the flame achievements. Not so much into achievements myself, but 1750 xp for lighting a bon-fire, and 2500 xp for snuffing out the opposite faction&#8217;s fire. Burn, baby, burn.</p>
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		<title>By: Kemonojin</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2009/06/25/hows-your-enthusiasm-level/comment-page-1/#comment-18414</link>
		<dc:creator>Kemonojin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 09:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mine is way down... been playing since November 2005... because of the hours I work, and the raiding guild I&#039;m in, I never get to do anything anymore. If I DO get into a raid, I&#039;m not allowed to have anything that drops. I only get taken as a warm body that can do damage. My druid is even worse off, and he was my main character. Never seen the inside of Naxx, or Uldaman, or any 10 man dungeon... probably never will. At this point, as Samodean says... I&#039;m still doing it because it&#039;s what I do, not because it&#039;s really something I enjoy anymore. 

I&#039;ve tried starting my own guild.. .but everybody who wants to raid is already in a raid guild, and I don&#039;t WANT to be in one. I don&#039;t want to be in a guild where a dozen people are expected to stand around outside an instance so someone can be replaced for one fight because the core group that gets all the rewards doesn&#039;t include a hunter that can use tranq shot in the one fight it&#039;s useful. Or be penalized for not being willing to do so. 

I can&#039;t even pug. Nobody running at the times I can. I hate achievements. I wanted the iron drake really badly... and there&#039;s no chance in the world I&#039;ll ever get it. 

I get told that if I&#039;m just doing it for the gear than I&#039;m doing it for the wrong reason. But then why, when I was online and wanted to go to a raid that you were forming, you told me I didn&#039;t have the DPS? What happened to &#039;it&#039;s not about the gear&#039;? If I don&#039;t get any drops, I don&#039;t get any better, if I don&#039;t get any better I fall farther and farther behind and I&#039;ll never get a chance to do anything. 

I WANT to keep playing... I do... but what else can I do in the game?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mine is way down&#8230; been playing since November 2005&#8230; because of the hours I work, and the raiding guild I&#8217;m in, I never get to do anything anymore. If I DO get into a raid, I&#8217;m not allowed to have anything that drops. I only get taken as a warm body that can do damage. My druid is even worse off, and he was my main character. Never seen the inside of Naxx, or Uldaman, or any 10 man dungeon&#8230; probably never will. At this point, as Samodean says&#8230; I&#8217;m still doing it because it&#8217;s what I do, not because it&#8217;s really something I enjoy anymore. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve tried starting my own guild.. .but everybody who wants to raid is already in a raid guild, and I don&#8217;t WANT to be in one. I don&#8217;t want to be in a guild where a dozen people are expected to stand around outside an instance so someone can be replaced for one fight because the core group that gets all the rewards doesn&#8217;t include a hunter that can use tranq shot in the one fight it&#8217;s useful. Or be penalized for not being willing to do so. </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t even pug. Nobody running at the times I can. I hate achievements. I wanted the iron drake really badly&#8230; and there&#8217;s no chance in the world I&#8217;ll ever get it. </p>
<p>I get told that if I&#8217;m just doing it for the gear than I&#8217;m doing it for the wrong reason. But then why, when I was online and wanted to go to a raid that you were forming, you told me I didn&#8217;t have the DPS? What happened to &#8216;it&#8217;s not about the gear&#8217;? If I don&#8217;t get any drops, I don&#8217;t get any better, if I don&#8217;t get any better I fall farther and farther behind and I&#8217;ll never get a chance to do anything. </p>
<p>I WANT to keep playing&#8230; I do&#8230; but what else can I do in the game?</p>
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		<title>By: Peryl</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2009/06/25/hows-your-enthusiasm-level/comment-page-1/#comment-18402</link>
		<dc:creator>Peryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 00:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been playing about 1.5 years.  I still enjoy the game, actually I&#039;ve been enjoying it more recently than 3 months ago.  Unfortunately, lots of RL stuff coming up so I&#039;ll be taking some time off.  But I hope to return soon.

While there are many players that have been playing for 2,3,4 years and may be ready for something else, at the same time there are new players coming into the game.  In my guild, it&#039;s great to hear and see the excitement of someone getting a big upgrade, helping to take down some huge boss in a raid, reach 80, get their first mount, or collect 50 pets.  It reminds you of when you started out and had that excitement.  Like anything, the freshness and excitement of WoW fades over time and you&#039;ll never re-capture the experience of your leveling first toon.  But there are still many things in the game that are fun to do and enjoyable.   It&#039;s a testament to the game design and depth that after so many years people are still enjoying playing WoW.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been playing about 1.5 years.  I still enjoy the game, actually I&#8217;ve been enjoying it more recently than 3 months ago.  Unfortunately, lots of RL stuff coming up so I&#8217;ll be taking some time off.  But I hope to return soon.</p>
<p>While there are many players that have been playing for 2,3,4 years and may be ready for something else, at the same time there are new players coming into the game.  In my guild, it&#8217;s great to hear and see the excitement of someone getting a big upgrade, helping to take down some huge boss in a raid, reach 80, get their first mount, or collect 50 pets.  It reminds you of when you started out and had that excitement.  Like anything, the freshness and excitement of WoW fades over time and you&#8217;ll never re-capture the experience of your leveling first toon.  But there are still many things in the game that are fun to do and enjoyable.   It&#8217;s a testament to the game design and depth that after so many years people are still enjoying playing WoW.</p>
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		<title>By: Dorgol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dorgol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 17:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nearly 5 years later, and I&#039;m still enjoying it.

My main is raiding again. After clearing MC, BWL, and AQ40 in vanilla, I skipped &quot;serious&quot; raiding in TBC. Blizzard&#039;s relaxed difficulty levels has allowed me to raid 1 or 2 days a week and still see everything (we&#039;re working on Yogg25 tonight). TBC raids were always &quot;srs bsns&quot; and I never found a guild willing to work around my limited game time.

At the same time, my Druid is at the level cap and I&#039;m having an absolute BLAST as a Cat in PvP and a tree in PvE. At this point I&#039;ve moved my warlock from &quot;Main&quot; (vanilla) to 1st alt (TBC) and now Enchanter for my mains.

Sooner or later WoW will lose its appeal, or something better will come up. But for now, I&#039;m still having fun - even if it&#039;s a different kind of fun I had when I first started.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nearly 5 years later, and I&#8217;m still enjoying it.</p>
<p>My main is raiding again. After clearing MC, BWL, and AQ40 in vanilla, I skipped &#8220;serious&#8221; raiding in TBC. Blizzard&#8217;s relaxed difficulty levels has allowed me to raid 1 or 2 days a week and still see everything (we&#8217;re working on Yogg25 tonight). TBC raids were always &#8220;srs bsns&#8221; and I never found a guild willing to work around my limited game time.</p>
<p>At the same time, my Druid is at the level cap and I&#8217;m having an absolute BLAST as a Cat in PvP and a tree in PvE. At this point I&#8217;ve moved my warlock from &#8220;Main&#8221; (vanilla) to 1st alt (TBC) and now Enchanter for my mains.</p>
<p>Sooner or later WoW will lose its appeal, or something better will come up. But for now, I&#8217;m still having fun &#8211; even if it&#8217;s a different kind of fun I had when I first started.</p>
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		<title>By: Jheusse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jheusse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 17:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My play time has drifted downwards some, but candidly more because of the constraints of RL, wife and kids occupying the priority slots.  I haven&#039;t finished all the end game content like a lot of the bloggers that are stepping away seem to have (I&#039;ll fight Vezax tonight for the first time), so I&#039;m still engrossed in the game, so my throttling back is external factors.

I think this phenomena is a matter of growing up.  WoW splashed on the scene and drew millions of subscribers.  Now obvously people of all ages play, but the bulk core of the game was likely that group in roughly the college age group, or generally the demographics that could manage the huge time input.

That whole age band of players is now in a different place in their lives than when they started the game, to an extent they&#039;ve grown up in terms of their RL careers, families, what have you.  And WoW has grown up with it.  Pure conjecture on my part but I think the core demographic has shifted because that core has had life changes in the intervening years.  That and the playerbase has grown beyond it&#039;s original demographics, you have to draw from other wells to get to 12 million players.

So WoW adapts, and content is sized more for shorter time frames and more forgiving tuning.  The often heard lament that they&#039;re pandering to the casuals has some merit, but the demographics of the game has changed with the passage of time and the expansion of the player base.

I&#039;m actually dabbling in Multi-boxing as a diversion from just raiding or waiting to raid on my main.  Which makes me wish I could mail BoA gear between accounts, so long as they were battle net linked.  I&#039;m the owner of all 5, why not?  But I also don&#039;t know how much it&#039;s worth it on a toon already L60.

BBB I always enjoy reading your stuff, you&#039;ve always had a good writing voice and you don&#039;t take yourself too seriously.  I&#039;ve noticed a lot of the bloggers I return to these days it&#039;s more about their voice and anecdotes than it is their analysis or commentary.  Hell, EJ carries most of the load for numbercrunching for ferals, but it&#039;s far more entertaining reading hero bear stories on a blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My play time has drifted downwards some, but candidly more because of the constraints of RL, wife and kids occupying the priority slots.  I haven&#8217;t finished all the end game content like a lot of the bloggers that are stepping away seem to have (I&#8217;ll fight Vezax tonight for the first time), so I&#8217;m still engrossed in the game, so my throttling back is external factors.</p>
<p>I think this phenomena is a matter of growing up.  WoW splashed on the scene and drew millions of subscribers.  Now obvously people of all ages play, but the bulk core of the game was likely that group in roughly the college age group, or generally the demographics that could manage the huge time input.</p>
<p>That whole age band of players is now in a different place in their lives than when they started the game, to an extent they&#8217;ve grown up in terms of their RL careers, families, what have you.  And WoW has grown up with it.  Pure conjecture on my part but I think the core demographic has shifted because that core has had life changes in the intervening years.  That and the playerbase has grown beyond it&#8217;s original demographics, you have to draw from other wells to get to 12 million players.</p>
<p>So WoW adapts, and content is sized more for shorter time frames and more forgiving tuning.  The often heard lament that they&#8217;re pandering to the casuals has some merit, but the demographics of the game has changed with the passage of time and the expansion of the player base.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m actually dabbling in Multi-boxing as a diversion from just raiding or waiting to raid on my main.  Which makes me wish I could mail BoA gear between accounts, so long as they were battle net linked.  I&#8217;m the owner of all 5, why not?  But I also don&#8217;t know how much it&#8217;s worth it on a toon already L60.</p>
<p>BBB I always enjoy reading your stuff, you&#8217;ve always had a good writing voice and you don&#8217;t take yourself too seriously.  I&#8217;ve noticed a lot of the bloggers I return to these days it&#8217;s more about their voice and anecdotes than it is their analysis or commentary.  Hell, EJ carries most of the load for numbercrunching for ferals, but it&#8217;s far more entertaining reading hero bear stories on a blog.</p>
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		<title>By: scaresome</title>
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		<dc:creator>scaresome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 16:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting question. 
I think my enthusiasm kind of runs up and down; my interest remains very high. 
So; while some days I dread going into WoW due to guild burdens, I always read several blogs (thanks, btw) and try to keep up with the newer stuff. 

I&#039;m with the poster who said they wished Bizz would slow down the release in content. I don&#039;t feel I&#039;ve had a chance to go deeper into the various choices and also feel I have/can fall behind the uber-achievers who&#039;ve zoomed through levels and dungeons. For this, maybe you are right: much of the mystery is gone. We don&#039;t really fine tune our end game gear anymore; all we have to do is look up which is the best head piece for a lvl 80 boomkin and go buy it or farm until it drops. 

Online,  I look for good solid information. Your article on Vuhdo was fantastic, the timing perfect since I&#039;d just started using the add on. Actually, I like the blog a lot (thanks again) it has a nice range of interest, information and story-telling. Keep up the good work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting question.<br />
I think my enthusiasm kind of runs up and down; my interest remains very high.<br />
So; while some days I dread going into WoW due to guild burdens, I always read several blogs (thanks, btw) and try to keep up with the newer stuff. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m with the poster who said they wished Bizz would slow down the release in content. I don&#8217;t feel I&#8217;ve had a chance to go deeper into the various choices and also feel I have/can fall behind the uber-achievers who&#8217;ve zoomed through levels and dungeons. For this, maybe you are right: much of the mystery is gone. We don&#8217;t really fine tune our end game gear anymore; all we have to do is look up which is the best head piece for a lvl 80 boomkin and go buy it or farm until it drops. </p>
<p>Online,  I look for good solid information. Your article on Vuhdo was fantastic, the timing perfect since I&#8217;d just started using the add on. Actually, I like the blog a lot (thanks again) it has a nice range of interest, information and story-telling. Keep up the good work!</p>
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		<title>By: Oso</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve gone from playing every facet of the game (PvE, PvP, Achievements, Rep Grinds and more) to limiting my play time to simply PvE end-game raiding.  I&#039;m not sure if it&#039;s my new job just limiting my time, but I find myself logging in for 30 minutes when I get home to do my AH duties, and then just showing up for raids to work on Ulduar-25 hard modes.  I&#039;m certainly less enthusiastic now than I was a year ago, for sure.

I&#039;ve even thought about stopping raiding as a way to cut down my play time.  Call it burn-out or blame it on the constant machine gun changes we&#039;ve gotten thrown at us or the new instances every second -- who knows?

I still love the game, but I think there&#039;s so much to do that I just end up cutting a lot out of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve gone from playing every facet of the game (PvE, PvP, Achievements, Rep Grinds and more) to limiting my play time to simply PvE end-game raiding.  I&#8217;m not sure if it&#8217;s my new job just limiting my time, but I find myself logging in for 30 minutes when I get home to do my AH duties, and then just showing up for raids to work on Ulduar-25 hard modes.  I&#8217;m certainly less enthusiastic now than I was a year ago, for sure.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve even thought about stopping raiding as a way to cut down my play time.  Call it burn-out or blame it on the constant machine gun changes we&#8217;ve gotten thrown at us or the new instances every second &#8212; who knows?</p>
<p>I still love the game, but I think there&#8217;s so much to do that I just end up cutting a lot out of it.</p>
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