Comments on: You cannot Avoid the nerfs of the future!

By: Eberron of Boulderfist

Eberron of Boulderfist — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 05:43:55 +0000

With the nerfs that are incoming, I’m a bit less then enthused. I enjoy being an agility-based bear rather then a giant mana sink. I’m scared this could push us back towards that end of things.

Then again, Conq badges outta heroics, so eh…

Anyway, I’m off to build my 630 (or whatever) resil set for hard mode Thorim.

By: Lily

Lily — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 20:20:12 +0000

What I don’t like, as a dual spec feral, is the adding more confusion into the mix of how to gem & enchant upgrades when darn near every upgrade would help both sets. Right now it’s clear, I can use them for both sets adequately if I gem agility. If Stamina become that much more important, maybe not the end of the world or anything but I’d have to ‘downgrade’ one of my sets for gemming. That said, it’s already becoming an issue now that I am trying to stack armor pen for DPS anyway.

By: G

Wed, 15 Jul 2009 01:02:33 +0000

Slightly + Slightly + Slightly + Slightly + Slightly = Not Slightly.

By: Althalas

Althalas — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 23:48:17 +0000

I think this whole thing does me a favor. Now I know to stack STAM over AGI. IT makes my life a lot more simple. Druid itemezation is already complicated, adn the tension between the chance effect of AGI and the static pump of STAM was getting a bit esoteric for me.

By: Silk

Silk — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 23:09:16 +0000

Its interesting, I always hate nerfs to heals and tanks (hai I am a pally healer…) and would never recommend anyone get nerfed. I also think that the strategy of constantly making fights more challenging by making healing and tanking harder is fundamentally flawed.

While I have tanked Ulduar (mostly 10s) on my pally, my perspective on tanks generally comes from healing. Seems to me that healing bears is generally easier than healing pallies or warriors once you get past the heroics / naxx 10s level (mostly because armor and avoidance scale well and block doesn’t).

I also understand that bear tanks are one of the tanks of choice for hard modes (DKs are the other). When a Naxx geared bear tank has as much health and nearly as much mitigation as a full tier 8.5 geared pally + more cooldowns its easy to see why the really geared bears get picked in preference.

Now DKs are being nerfed because they simply have too many cooldowns available too often. Pallies and, to a lesser extent, Warriors are getting buffs but I think bears are still going to be in good shape. I hope so, I love bear tanks.

By: Heilwienix

Heilwienix — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:00:04 +0000

I tried the PTR, dodge went down 2% in the same gear, so I don’t see this as a huge nerf, the armor & stamina loss in 3.1 was a much bigger deal, since I actually started feeling the hatefuls at patchy again.

“Again, someone tell me, I missed the memo… when was the last time end game raids preferred to bring druid main tanks over others due to our being OP?”
Seems like at least for Kologarn druids are one of the preferred MT, and there are other boss fights where a bear can make a difference. I think the biggest issue we (as in bear tanks) have is perception. A lot of players that used to play the original WoW still think bear tanks don’t cut it. Players that actually know what they are talking about learned to appreciate the bear as MT.

“Did we really do so well that the rest of the tanks felt threatened?”
It’s the warriors (no pun intended, if a warrior reads this), I recognized mainly the warrior class bitching about nerfs, and how they should be the preferred tanks in the game, and others are OP. Utter BS, if you ask me. I roll with a warrior MT, if he plays not one of his other toons, and we both can hold our own. We are similar geared, and I really don’t see a difference in the large.

By: Rob

Rob — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 21:42:31 +0000

Sorry if this is tangental, but I now have a DK at 80 (like everyone else I guess), and tanking is so freaking hard compared to druid. Druid have our 4or so buttons; enrage, maul, swipe(swipe, swipe, etc), growl…uh the one that stacks 5 times (mangle?)…frez regen..few other oh shits. DKs… i mean jesus they have 20-30 buttons, at least half of which are designed for tanking. I thought DK tanking would be easy, it isn’t, at least not in my gear (the full BS tank set), and getting defense capped was a pain in the ass. I love my druids ability to go from feral dps to tank to healing in an eyeblink, and i’m just a much better bear tank than DK. Seems like more skilled players could go more with DKs than bears, due to the more options. But bears can do it all and with style.

Anyway back on topic, i see the next patch as pretty good for bears all things considered, but I’m not at 80 yet on the druid.

By: Flamehase

Flamehase — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:36:58 +0000

WOW!!! A 20% to 30% reduction in Avoidance with a deduction in Dodge and a small increase to parry should scare anyone. I have a DK that’s DPS unholy…. And I would like to tank with her….. I believe that idea just went out the window. Plus, remember this is the team that gave TG warriors a 10% damage reduction. That end up being closer to 35% because no one on the team saw the lost of rage that would come from it…. Sorry about that /cry….. I’ve played that warrior only once since that last patch /cry more…… It hurts too much…… If there was a professional sport that made as many changes as Blizz does to WOW that sport would be crying for fans and not have a TV contract….. OOPS sorry the NHL….. My bad……

By: bigbearbutt

bigbearbutt — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 19:46:03 +0000

Jack… that’s it. You win the interwebs!

By: Bellwether

Bellwether — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 19:06:05 +0000

@Jack – I would agree…but more because they’ll start laughing so hard from those wonky sideburns that they can’t hit. ;P