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		<title>By: bigbearbutt</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2009/07/16/resume-writing-advice-part-ii-the-moron-years/comment-page-1/#comment-19240</link>
		<dc:creator>bigbearbutt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 19:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My latest favorite, posted in regards to an opening I am advertising for on Careerbuilder (a site that does allow you to enter cover letter, text version of your resume, and attach your Word copy of your resume);

Resume
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hello
My Resume is to large for this site, i have about 15 years in the
conveyor maintenance and repair.

Please email me for my full Resume

Best Regards
__________________________________________

For those that think my advice is aiming too low... I&#039;m beginning to think that it is physically impossible to aim &#039;too low&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My latest favorite, posted in regards to an opening I am advertising for on Careerbuilder (a site that does allow you to enter cover letter, text version of your resume, and attach your Word copy of your resume);</p>
<p>Resume<br />
&#8212;&#8212;<br />
hello<br />
My Resume is to large for this site, i have about 15 years in the<br />
conveyor maintenance and repair.</p>
<p>Please email me for my full Resume</p>
<p>Best Regards<br />
__________________________________________</p>
<p>For those that think my advice is aiming too low&#8230; I&#8217;m beginning to think that it is physically impossible to aim &#8216;too low&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jorge Lazaro Diaz</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2009/07/16/resume-writing-advice-part-ii-the-moron-years/comment-page-1/#comment-19214</link>
		<dc:creator>Jorge Lazaro Diaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 00:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Keep writing stuff like this.  It&#039;s a bit on the rough side, but people have to know this in order to get a job  At CareerJockey.org where I blog, I give advice on job hunting, networking, resume writing and interviewing.  You wise crack comments on the specific examples you ran into during this search show people how the folks on the other side see things.  It&#039;s no easy job hiring people.  The sloppiness you point out only makes it harder.  

It may also be a sign that if you are good, you can rise above the rest and get noticed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep writing stuff like this.  It&#8217;s a bit on the rough side, but people have to know this in order to get a job  At CareerJockey.org where I blog, I give advice on job hunting, networking, resume writing and interviewing.  You wise crack comments on the specific examples you ran into during this search show people how the folks on the other side see things.  It&#8217;s no easy job hiring people.  The sloppiness you point out only makes it harder.  </p>
<p>It may also be a sign that if you are good, you can rise above the rest and get noticed.</p>
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		<title>By: Staris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Staris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 02:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Also, these are the standards in the US.  In Australia, resumes, or CV&#039;s as we usually call them, should be more than 1 page if you have had a few jobs and some real experience.  A one page CV is for people who have just finished uni and typically do not have a lot of experience.  My CV is 3 pages.  I&#039;m in my middle 30&#039;s and have had several jobs, each lasting about 3-4 years.  I haven&#039;t just listed the job, but bulleted a few key responsilibies for each job and any awesome things I achieved in that postion.  There is no personal information, just some Key Skills, Education, Employment History, and Referees (References). 

I would expect someone with an experiened work history to have more than a 1 page CV.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, these are the standards in the US.  In Australia, resumes, or CV&#8217;s as we usually call them, should be more than 1 page if you have had a few jobs and some real experience.  A one page CV is for people who have just finished uni and typically do not have a lot of experience.  My CV is 3 pages.  I&#8217;m in my middle 30&#8242;s and have had several jobs, each lasting about 3-4 years.  I haven&#8217;t just listed the job, but bulleted a few key responsilibies for each job and any awesome things I achieved in that postion.  There is no personal information, just some Key Skills, Education, Employment History, and Referees (References). </p>
<p>I would expect someone with an experiened work history to have more than a 1 page CV.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 20:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just a note regarding resume length, nowadays in our field (science) our resumes are at two pages and 3 pages isn&#039;t far off.  Its because so many of us have transitioned (or transitioning) away from academia where you listed everything on your CV.   However I&#039;m not in HR.  

I imagine HR and the hiring manager would have different standards:  HR - never been to grad school; hiring manager - been there done that, got the degree. 

Didn&#039;t want to make too big a deal of it (esp in light of B3s comments), but there you go.    And yeah looking for a job sucks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a note regarding resume length, nowadays in our field (science) our resumes are at two pages and 3 pages isn&#8217;t far off.  Its because so many of us have transitioned (or transitioning) away from academia where you listed everything on your CV.   However I&#8217;m not in HR.  </p>
<p>I imagine HR and the hiring manager would have different standards:  HR &#8211; never been to grad school; hiring manager &#8211; been there done that, got the degree. </p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t want to make too big a deal of it (esp in light of B3s comments), but there you go.    And yeah looking for a job sucks.</p>
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		<title>By: Kemonojin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kemonojin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 14:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Costumer&quot; is a legitimate word, at least according to Openoffice&#039;s dictionary. 

At my last job, when they asked the profoundly annoying question &#039;why should we hire you instead of him&#039;, I answered &#039;I&#039;m taller&#039;. What the catnip is someone &lt;I&gt;supposed&lt;/I&gt; to answer that with? You have no way of knowing anything about the other people, so there&#039;s no real way to answer that question &lt;I&gt;without&lt;/I&gt; BSing it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Costumer&#8221; is a legitimate word, at least according to Openoffice&#8217;s dictionary. </p>
<p>At my last job, when they asked the profoundly annoying question &#8216;why should we hire you instead of him&#8217;, I answered &#8216;I&#8217;m taller&#8217;. What the catnip is someone <i>supposed</i> to answer that with? You have no way of knowing anything about the other people, so there&#8217;s no real way to answer that question <i>without</i> BSing it.</p>
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		<title>By: yunk</title>
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		<dc:creator>yunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 13:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually I used to have &quot;Described as miracle worker by management&quot; on my resume. That one line alone made me stand out and got me a lot of interviews. What was funny is one of my bosses that said &quot;as soon as we saw that we knew we had to have you come in and interview&quot; also said &quot;you shouldn&#039;t have that on your resume you should take it off it&#039;s too cocky&quot; well if you yourself admit it&#039;s what made you absolutely want to interview me why would I take it out?

Though eventually I did. I didn&#039;t want to have to live up to it :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually I used to have &#8220;Described as miracle worker by management&#8221; on my resume. That one line alone made me stand out and got me a lot of interviews. What was funny is one of my bosses that said &#8220;as soon as we saw that we knew we had to have you come in and interview&#8221; also said &#8220;you shouldn&#8217;t have that on your resume you should take it off it&#8217;s too cocky&#8221; well if you yourself admit it&#8217;s what made you absolutely want to interview me why would I take it out?</p>
<p>Though eventually I did. I didn&#8217;t want to have to live up to it :)</p>
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		<title>By: Navir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Navir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 02:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I really hate to do this but i didn&#039;t see anyone else point it out, even if I did miss the Work one    


&quot;I know folks are dedperate for work out there. Everyone knows it.&quot;


And this was a good read, of course for myself, I have tried a few times to write a cover letter, and to be honest, I haven&#039;t really done any sort of jobs worth putting on a resume, and I couldn&#039;t even try to spew out enough stuff for a cover letter, BS or not.  

I guess I just need to stick to the fill out the application jobs.  :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really hate to do this but i didn&#8217;t see anyone else point it out, even if I did miss the Work one    </p>
<p>&#8220;I know folks are dedperate for work out there. Everyone knows it.&#8221;</p>
<p>And this was a good read, of course for myself, I have tried a few times to write a cover letter, and to be honest, I haven&#8217;t really done any sort of jobs worth putting on a resume, and I couldn&#8217;t even try to spew out enough stuff for a cover letter, BS or not.  </p>
<p>I guess I just need to stick to the fill out the application jobs.  :)</p>
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		<title>By: Thaumaturgos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thaumaturgos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 01:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your point about avoiding the safe prepackaged answers to questions brought back to mind a great fellow I once worked with when I had been lobotomised in order to work for a Government department.

Paul (his real name - who of you will know him!) was looking to become a legal advisor in this department.  The interview had not gone well, and Paul was worried he had failed to make an impression of any note.  So when the obligatory question &quot;Why should we hire you?&quot; came up, he decided to take a different approach.  He leaned back in his chair, and in his slowest drawl said &quot;All the applicants have the required degree. In addition to that I have good looks and boyish charm&quot;. 

The interviewing panel froze, and Paul thought he had blown it... till the next day when he got the call offering him the job.  It was risky, and in many situations would have seen him out on his behind.  But in this one case it achieved what he needed: it set him apart from the rest.  His interview was never forgotten, by him or by his boss. 

So I agree: without behind an arsehole, find a way to stand out.  Who needs prepackaged answers.  If the job needed a monkey they would hire one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your point about avoiding the safe prepackaged answers to questions brought back to mind a great fellow I once worked with when I had been lobotomised in order to work for a Government department.</p>
<p>Paul (his real name &#8211; who of you will know him!) was looking to become a legal advisor in this department.  The interview had not gone well, and Paul was worried he had failed to make an impression of any note.  So when the obligatory question &#8220;Why should we hire you?&#8221; came up, he decided to take a different approach.  He leaned back in his chair, and in his slowest drawl said &#8220;All the applicants have the required degree. In addition to that I have good looks and boyish charm&#8221;. </p>
<p>The interviewing panel froze, and Paul thought he had blown it&#8230; till the next day when he got the call offering him the job.  It was risky, and in many situations would have seen him out on his behind.  But in this one case it achieved what he needed: it set him apart from the rest.  His interview was never forgotten, by him or by his boss. </p>
<p>So I agree: without behind an arsehole, find a way to stand out.  Who needs prepackaged answers.  If the job needed a monkey they would hire one.</p>
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		<title>By: Cashlind</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cashlind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 00:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[BBB,

As an active duty military member (looking retirement in the eye), I can tell you that your points are extremely valid for corporate America, but government jobs are different.  Resumes are put through an automated system that searches for key words.  The more key words that are in your resume, the higher you get ranked.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BBB,</p>
<p>As an active duty military member (looking retirement in the eye), I can tell you that your points are extremely valid for corporate America, but government jobs are different.  Resumes are put through an automated system that searches for key words.  The more key words that are in your resume, the higher you get ranked.</p>
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		<title>By: Nozekrusher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nozekrusher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 00:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I only look at one page resumes because I hire for 1 page resume jobs.  But there are positions (above my pay grade) where you need to go above and beyond.  But one hard and fast rule - never have a half page.  If you have two solid pages, and it&#039;s all relevant, fine.  But if you have 2.5 solid pages, edit it back to 2.  

The best advice I ever got about job hunting was to apply for the job I wanted, even if I didn&#039;t have all the qualifications listed.  Employers (like me) will list our ideal candidate because it&#039;s our one shot to daydream about the impossible.  And if we don&#039;t list &#039;Polish fluency desirable&#039;, we&#039;ll never get a Polish speaker on staff, which would be, well, desirable.  

But if that was a job I wanted, I&#039;d apply anyway and use my customized cover letter to address those shortcomings.  I&#039;d say that I don&#039;t meet that criteria but I have skills x, y, and z that may compensate or puts me above my peers in another area.  I&#039;d also state how I&#039;d be willing to meet that criteria in the near term if hired - either through classes or what have you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I only look at one page resumes because I hire for 1 page resume jobs.  But there are positions (above my pay grade) where you need to go above and beyond.  But one hard and fast rule &#8211; never have a half page.  If you have two solid pages, and it&#8217;s all relevant, fine.  But if you have 2.5 solid pages, edit it back to 2.  </p>
<p>The best advice I ever got about job hunting was to apply for the job I wanted, even if I didn&#8217;t have all the qualifications listed.  Employers (like me) will list our ideal candidate because it&#8217;s our one shot to daydream about the impossible.  And if we don&#8217;t list &#8216;Polish fluency desirable&#8217;, we&#8217;ll never get a Polish speaker on staff, which would be, well, desirable.  </p>
<p>But if that was a job I wanted, I&#8217;d apply anyway and use my customized cover letter to address those shortcomings.  I&#8217;d say that I don&#8217;t meet that criteria but I have skills x, y, and z that may compensate or puts me above my peers in another area.  I&#8217;d also state how I&#8217;d be willing to meet that criteria in the near term if hired &#8211; either through classes or what have you.</p>
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