I can’t help but think that the current set up for EoT cannot last. It’s going to get patched. They know it’s going to get patched. They just want to get 3.2 out the door.

RAIDERS are being forced to run 5-mans every single day to get their gear, because the vast majority of emblems gained will come from heroics, not raids. How so?

Week one, only one boss will be available. Running both the 10- and 25-man raids, that gives you 2 emblems. Running the daily heroic every day gives you 14 more, for a total of 16.

Week two, two bosses are available. 4 emblems from raiding, 14 from dailies, 18 total.

Week three, 6 + 14 = 20. Week four, 8 + 14 = 22. Week five and after, 10 + 14 = 24, and if you are successful in killing all 5 bosses the very first week, you unlock heroic, where you can possibly get more emblems. But people in “normal” raiding guilds, not top-end raiding guilds, who can clear normal mode bosses but not heroic mode bosses will get 10 emblems per week from running both 10 and 25 normal, and 14 emblems from running 5-mans every day.

Am I the only one for whom this seems insane to? As a raider, it’ll be MORE important for me to do heroics every day than for me to show up for raids. And the T9.25 is pretty expensive, at that…75 emblems for helm, chest, or legs. That’s 16+18+20+22=76, 4 weeks for the first piece of 245-ilvl tier, IF your guild completely clears every available boss in *both* 25 and 10-man *and* you run the daily heroic *every single day* for those 28 days. Second tier item takes 3 more weeks (a little over, actually; 22 days).

And meanwhile the non-raiders get the exact same items in 75/2 = 37-38 days. Raiding doesn’t even shave that much time off of it.

Full tier set will take a raider that clears everything except heroic modes 14 weeks. A raider that doesn’t want to run easy, boring, old heroics and *only* raids will take 33.5 weeks. A non-raider just running heroics will take 22.5 weeks.

3.2 is the patch o’ heroic dailies. The heroic daily is the fastest way to the best new loot, no matter what content you have access to based on your guild’s progression. Hope you like Northrend’s dungeons a LOT! :)

As I understand it, running heroic five mans those *bosses* will now drop Emblems of Conquest which will allow you to buy level 226 gear (Tier 8.5) that before you could get only raiding. Most instances currently drop 3-5 Emblems of Heroism. With 13 heroic 5 man instances you should now be able to loot 52 EoC a *day*. That mean you should be able to farm the whole 226 set in less than a week.

The daily 5-man heroic quest will reward you two Emblems of Triumphs but EoT will only reward you level 232 gear. If you want to get higher than 232 you will need to do the new raids to get the Trophy of the Crusade item. True, 232 is now technically Tier 9.

So assuming I never set foot in a 10 or 25 man raid.

Level 226 complete set. 4-5 days.
Level 232 complete set. 3 months.

Am I just wrong. That simply seems bizarre to me. While I am not on the PTR it doesn’t seems like the stat difference between 226 and 232 can be huge enough to justify such a huge difference in time commitment.

T9 = Emblems of Triumph
T9.25 = Emblems of Triumph + 1 Trophy of the Crusade
T9.5 = 1 Regalia of the Vanquisher

iLvl 226 T8.5 Helm, 58 EoC
iLvl 226 T8.5 Chest, 58 EoC (or iLvl 200 T7 Chest, 80 EoH)
iLvl 226 Gloves, 28 EoC (or iLvl 200 T7 Gloves, 60 EoH)
iLvl 226 Neck, 19 EoC
iLvl 226 Belt, 28 EoC
iLvl 226 Crafted Boots, 60 EoC (Runed Orbs)

which is 194 EoC (skip the runed orbs – buy on AH). So assuming 35 badges per week if you are really pushing, you can get half T8.5 stuff in 5.5 weeks, and are good to run colloseum or ulduar 25 for the last half of your set. If you can field 10 guys/gals like this, its reasonable to assume that after 4 weeks you can run colloseum10. Bottom line, if you are a new 80, run the new dungeon and heroics for say two weeks, run naxx+heroics for 4 weeks, and then you are pretty much ready for colloseum.

Those quests could be rewarding an Emblem in addition to the current rep token, rather than instead of it :)

As for gear lists, here’s my quick rundown of Emblem-purchasable epics in 3.2. EoC = Emblem of Conquest. EoV = Emblem of Valor. EoH = Emblem of Heroism. Remember that, by and large, iLvl 200 epics are from heroics and T7 10-man content, iLvl 213 epics are from T7 25-man content, and iLvl 226 epics are from T8 25-man content.

iLvl 226 T8.5 Helm, 58 EoC
iLvl 213 T7.5 Shoulders, 60 EoV
iLvl 226 T8.5 Chest, 58 EoC (or iLvl 200 T7 Chest, 80 EoH)
iLvl 226 Gloves, 28 EoC (or iLvl 200 T7 Gloves, 60 EoH)
iLvl 213 T7.5 Legs, 75 EoV (or iLvl 226 Legs, 39 EoC)

iLvl 226 Neck, 19 EoC
iLvl 213 Cloak, 25 EoV
iLvl 213 Wrists, 60 EoV
iLvl 226 Belt, 28 EoC
iLvl 226 Crafted Boots, 60 EoC (Runed Orbs)

iLvl 213 Ring, 25 EoV
iLvl 200 Trinket, 40 EoH
iLvl 213 Relic, 25 EoV

So, with 116 Emblems of Conquest, a new toon could get two pieces of T8.5. With another 135 Emblems of Conquest, that new toon could buy 135 Emblems of Valor and then buy two pieces of T7.5. And then there are myriad options for other pieces.

Plus you can still convert the Triumph emblems back to Conquest badges. (cant remember where I read it.)

so, At the very least, I can gear up alt’s to near tier gear, frankly I dont like PVP, but I understand that some people are being used to wipe the walls with because they dont have the same gear level as people who have been raiding as long. Or, just dont want to use there main for PVP.

My guild seems to always be one short, so we grab a few guildies who havent been through naxx or Ulduarr for one reason or another. they seem to just have enough time in a week to run through heroics and log.

I expect all these changes will help get more people geared well enough to raid, without having to go into naxx and then ulduarr so they can try the trials.