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		<title>By: bigbearbutt</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2009/08/18/storytime-crime/comment-page-1/#comment-19861</link>
		<dc:creator>bigbearbutt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 02:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bigguss, of course you can have a hug. Gun safety is a huge topic for a lot of people, a lot of folks die from being careless around handguns, and there isn&#039;t a single good reason for any of them. My father damn near killed me from an accidental discharge of a firearm, he just happened to be pointing it about 4 feet off from center of body mass when it went off.. and the round impacted between my feet instead of higher in my chest. If his hand has been tilted an inch or two, this blog would never have been here, cause neither would I.

I wasn&#039;t offended, just sad that it seemed you felt I was one of the careless ones that would senselessly endanger his child.

Don&#039;t fret, it&#039;s all in good fun. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bigguss, of course you can have a hug. Gun safety is a huge topic for a lot of people, a lot of folks die from being careless around handguns, and there isn&#8217;t a single good reason for any of them. My father damn near killed me from an accidental discharge of a firearm, he just happened to be pointing it about 4 feet off from center of body mass when it went off.. and the round impacted between my feet instead of higher in my chest. If his hand has been tilted an inch or two, this blog would never have been here, cause neither would I.</p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t offended, just sad that it seemed you felt I was one of the careless ones that would senselessly endanger his child.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t fret, it&#8217;s all in good fun. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Bigguss</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2009/08/18/storytime-crime/comment-page-1/#comment-19842</link>
		<dc:creator>Bigguss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 07:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Firstly i want to start by saying that it was not my intention to accuse you of being a bad father or being a crazy American with a gun. 

I was just merely pointing out that there are vastly differing attitudes towards guns and their uses in the UK. I personally do not know anyone that owns a gun for sport or any other reason. And i will admit that my only exposure to guns and gun culture is what i see on the TV. 

But i have to admit i do still find it shocking to read when someone says that had lost a gun down the side of a sofa. Its just so alien to me, that you could describe that in such a way as i might if i was talking about, erm, the remote control?

Having said all of that, i was certainly not trying to pass judgement on you or the way that your father brought you up. I know from what i have read on your blog that you are an upstanding guy with high moral values and a desire to do the best for your family and friends. And i definately didn&#039;t want to imply that you are putting your son in danger. If it came across that way, i appologise. Please put it down in my poor skills at putting down in words what is going through my head.

I guess i was just trying to highlight the difference in the way we see guns and their uses.

Sorry BBB :D

/can i have a hug??]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Firstly i want to start by saying that it was not my intention to accuse you of being a bad father or being a crazy American with a gun. </p>
<p>I was just merely pointing out that there are vastly differing attitudes towards guns and their uses in the UK. I personally do not know anyone that owns a gun for sport or any other reason. And i will admit that my only exposure to guns and gun culture is what i see on the TV. </p>
<p>But i have to admit i do still find it shocking to read when someone says that had lost a gun down the side of a sofa. Its just so alien to me, that you could describe that in such a way as i might if i was talking about, erm, the remote control?</p>
<p>Having said all of that, i was certainly not trying to pass judgement on you or the way that your father brought you up. I know from what i have read on your blog that you are an upstanding guy with high moral values and a desire to do the best for your family and friends. And i definately didn&#8217;t want to imply that you are putting your son in danger. If it came across that way, i appologise. Please put it down in my poor skills at putting down in words what is going through my head.</p>
<p>I guess i was just trying to highlight the difference in the way we see guns and their uses.</p>
<p>Sorry BBB :D</p>
<p>/can i have a hug??</p>
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		<title>By: bigbearbutt</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2009/08/18/storytime-crime/comment-page-1/#comment-19835</link>
		<dc:creator>bigbearbutt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 20:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To lay the safety of my son to rest... I have one firearm in the house. It is a breech loading single shot 12 ga. shotgun of chinese manufacture with flimsy wood stocks. 

Technically, I&#039;m sure it works, but it&#039;s never been fired. I do not even own any ammo for it. In fact, come to think of it, I have no ammo of any kind in the house for anything, not even the traditional cartridge casing keychain.

This is because ever since I left Onan about 7 years ago, I haven&#039;t been on a pistol or rifle team anymore, and I sold my other guns. It&#039;s not because I was afraid of having guns in the house with my son, I just didn&#039;t shoot on a team anymore, and time marches on.

Why do I have a single shot breech loading chinese 12 ga.?

Someday I intend to cut the barrel down on a lathe, antique the bluing, do some woodworking on custom grips, and have a functional pirate-styled 12 ga. pistol for a costume. 

Yes, I&#039;m sure I&#039;ll file down the firing pin before sticking it in a sash.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To lay the safety of my son to rest&#8230; I have one firearm in the house. It is a breech loading single shot 12 ga. shotgun of chinese manufacture with flimsy wood stocks. </p>
<p>Technically, I&#8217;m sure it works, but it&#8217;s never been fired. I do not even own any ammo for it. In fact, come to think of it, I have no ammo of any kind in the house for anything, not even the traditional cartridge casing keychain.</p>
<p>This is because ever since I left Onan about 7 years ago, I haven&#8217;t been on a pistol or rifle team anymore, and I sold my other guns. It&#8217;s not because I was afraid of having guns in the house with my son, I just didn&#8217;t shoot on a team anymore, and time marches on.</p>
<p>Why do I have a single shot breech loading chinese 12 ga.?</p>
<p>Someday I intend to cut the barrel down on a lathe, antique the bluing, do some woodworking on custom grips, and have a functional pirate-styled 12 ga. pistol for a costume. </p>
<p>Yes, I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;ll file down the firing pin before sticking it in a sash.</p>
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		<title>By: Kayeri</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2009/08/18/storytime-crime/comment-page-1/#comment-19834</link>
		<dc:creator>Kayeri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 19:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bear, you DID make it clear that firearms safety is a very big thing for you, so never fear on that count, and if I had any doubt your father taught you, the Marines would have, definitely.  I have no fear for your son&#039;s safety, as I know he is as safe as you and Cassie can make him.  :)  

While my father did occasionally keep a firearm of one type or another while I was growing up, I never saw them and my father&#039;s closet was absolutely off-limits.  My brother is a police officer and carries a sidearm, and my husband keeps a hunting rifle that belonged to his grandfather... That&#039;s the extent of my exposure to guns... 

I MUCH prefer bows... I do shoot traditional archery... :) and I am fully aware of the safety practices involved in that.  :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bear, you DID make it clear that firearms safety is a very big thing for you, so never fear on that count, and if I had any doubt your father taught you, the Marines would have, definitely.  I have no fear for your son&#8217;s safety, as I know he is as safe as you and Cassie can make him.  :)  </p>
<p>While my father did occasionally keep a firearm of one type or another while I was growing up, I never saw them and my father&#8217;s closet was absolutely off-limits.  My brother is a police officer and carries a sidearm, and my husband keeps a hunting rifle that belonged to his grandfather&#8230; That&#8217;s the extent of my exposure to guns&#8230; </p>
<p>I MUCH prefer bows&#8230; I do shoot traditional archery&#8230; :) and I am fully aware of the safety practices involved in that.  :)</p>
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		<title>By: Copey</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2009/08/18/storytime-crime/comment-page-1/#comment-19833</link>
		<dc:creator>Copey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 18:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bear, I thought your story clearly showed that your father’s gun safety practices are not yours.  I’m always glad to see another person touting the “treat it like it’s always loaded” rule.  I myself, having grown up on a ranch in Wyoming have been around guns all my life.  Every pick-up truck we had had a fire arm inside, mostly hanging from the back window, but some times tucked in a pocket in the seat cover.  It was just life.  It may shock people not accustomed to the practice, but I shot my first gun at six years old, and my son did the same.  BBB is not alone in this.  The most dangerous thing about guns is the lack of safety that people display while using them.  Teaching kids about guns early in a society where guns are legal and common is basic common sense in my mind.  Make it taboo, and of course a kid is going to want to see what his friend has to show him from dad’s closet.  But if instead of “COOL!” his response is “meh, been there done that, and I’m not touching it because it’s probably loaded” a kid is better off.  

And yes people, before I get tossed on the fire for these comments, every gun I own, which is many, is fully unloaded and locked under key with safety locks and trigger locks.  I trust my son, and my wife (who is a better shot then I am with her new .40 I got her for Christmas last year), but I can’t trust the teachings of other parents who have let their kids come over to play with mine.  So they get locked up.

Oh, and Menglor, you would let your wife spend a night in jail?  Wow.  Just, wow man.  That is some big time brass you got there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bear, I thought your story clearly showed that your father’s gun safety practices are not yours.  I’m always glad to see another person touting the “treat it like it’s always loaded” rule.  I myself, having grown up on a ranch in Wyoming have been around guns all my life.  Every pick-up truck we had had a fire arm inside, mostly hanging from the back window, but some times tucked in a pocket in the seat cover.  It was just life.  It may shock people not accustomed to the practice, but I shot my first gun at six years old, and my son did the same.  BBB is not alone in this.  The most dangerous thing about guns is the lack of safety that people display while using them.  Teaching kids about guns early in a society where guns are legal and common is basic common sense in my mind.  Make it taboo, and of course a kid is going to want to see what his friend has to show him from dad’s closet.  But if instead of “COOL!” his response is “meh, been there done that, and I’m not touching it because it’s probably loaded” a kid is better off.  </p>
<p>And yes people, before I get tossed on the fire for these comments, every gun I own, which is many, is fully unloaded and locked under key with safety locks and trigger locks.  I trust my son, and my wife (who is a better shot then I am with her new .40 I got her for Christmas last year), but I can’t trust the teachings of other parents who have let their kids come over to play with mine.  So they get locked up.</p>
<p>Oh, and Menglor, you would let your wife spend a night in jail?  Wow.  Just, wow man.  That is some big time brass you got there.</p>
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		<title>By: bigbearbutt</title>
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		<dc:creator>bigbearbutt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 15:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hulan, truly, great story. Thank you VERY much for sharing that, that&#039;s the kind of inspiration I like reading when my morning has turned to crap.

For the readers I may have outside the US, what you might not understand is that I described the particulars of how guns were handled in the house, because I knew it would shock the heck out of most of my US readers.

In most homes here in the US, if there are firearms, they are for recreational target shooting, or for hunting. I know that the perception is that what I described is the norm, but if it was, there would have been no need to mention it. 

No, truthfully my upbringing was highly unusual, and is the framework for most traditional stereotyped &#039;lone gunman&#039; morons when something terrible happens. &quot;Oh, he had lots of guns and dressed in camouflage and watched Rambo and listened to rock music and played D&amp;D; ergo, he was a ticking time bomb waiting to explode on normal, GOOD people.&quot;

So much for the accuracy of stereotypes, right? 

I do feel sad that someone read the story, and assumed that the carelessness that I mentioned in regards to my father was automatically assumed to apply to me as well, and that my son&#039;s safety was immediately invoked in a chiding and accusatory way. I guess I expected more from my readers than that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hulan, truly, great story. Thank you VERY much for sharing that, that&#8217;s the kind of inspiration I like reading when my morning has turned to crap.</p>
<p>For the readers I may have outside the US, what you might not understand is that I described the particulars of how guns were handled in the house, because I knew it would shock the heck out of most of my US readers.</p>
<p>In most homes here in the US, if there are firearms, they are for recreational target shooting, or for hunting. I know that the perception is that what I described is the norm, but if it was, there would have been no need to mention it. </p>
<p>No, truthfully my upbringing was highly unusual, and is the framework for most traditional stereotyped &#8216;lone gunman&#8217; morons when something terrible happens. &#8220;Oh, he had lots of guns and dressed in camouflage and watched Rambo and listened to rock music and played D&#038;D; ergo, he was a ticking time bomb waiting to explode on normal, GOOD people.&#8221;</p>
<p>So much for the accuracy of stereotypes, right? </p>
<p>I do feel sad that someone read the story, and assumed that the carelessness that I mentioned in regards to my father was automatically assumed to apply to me as well, and that my son&#8217;s safety was immediately invoked in a chiding and accusatory way. I guess I expected more from my readers than that.</p>
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		<title>By: Zalgosh</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2009/08/18/storytime-crime/comment-page-1/#comment-19831</link>
		<dc:creator>Zalgosh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 15:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Bigguss - &#039;living with guns in the states is the norm&#039;  This made me kinda confused.  Just because people can buy or legally have guns doesn&#039;t mean that being around them is &quot;the norm&quot;.  For a lot of people, the closest they&#039;ve ever been is seeing a cop with a gun or knowing someone who hunts.

I&#039;ve heard a lot of similar comments from people outside of the US, with misconceptions that in the US that theres violence everywhere, or everyone owns guns, or everyone uses drugs, etc., but that isn&#039;t the case and it kinda bugs me.  My issue isn&#039;t just with people from outside the US making judgements or stereotypes about Americans, but with people in general making assumptions based on media (especially any of the US news broadcasts) or random &#039;stories&#039; they&#039;ve heard.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Bigguss &#8211; &#8216;living with guns in the states is the norm&#8217;  This made me kinda confused.  Just because people can buy or legally have guns doesn&#8217;t mean that being around them is &#8220;the norm&#8221;.  For a lot of people, the closest they&#8217;ve ever been is seeing a cop with a gun or knowing someone who hunts.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve heard a lot of similar comments from people outside of the US, with misconceptions that in the US that theres violence everywhere, or everyone owns guns, or everyone uses drugs, etc., but that isn&#8217;t the case and it kinda bugs me.  My issue isn&#8217;t just with people from outside the US making judgements or stereotypes about Americans, but with people in general making assumptions based on media (especially any of the US news broadcasts) or random &#8216;stories&#8217; they&#8217;ve heard.</p>
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		<title>By: Hulan</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2009/08/18/storytime-crime/comment-page-1/#comment-19830</link>
		<dc:creator>Hulan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 14:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Menglor - being a Brit, I don&#039;t get the gun thing.  It is all so alien to the culture here.  The closest I ever came to &quot;getting it&quot; was a wonderful post I read recently http://ambulancedriverfiles.blogspot.com/2009/06/john-m-brownings-greatest-gift.html I now try not to automatically shudder when I read about guns :)

Kayeri - yep, she is.  My dad would never dared leave her in jail all night - he&#039;d still be paying for it ;)
.-= Hulan&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/HulanTheHoly/~3/hMupJXqC1Y4/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Cross Enough To Post!&lt;/a&gt; =-.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Menglor &#8211; being a Brit, I don&#8217;t get the gun thing.  It is all so alien to the culture here.  The closest I ever came to &#8220;getting it&#8221; was a wonderful post I read recently <a href="http://ambulancedriverfiles.blogspot.com/2009/06/john-m-brownings-greatest-gift.html" rel="nofollow">http://ambulancedriverfiles.blogspot.com/2009/06/john-m-brownings-greatest-gift.html</a> I now try not to automatically shudder when I read about guns :)</p>
<p>Kayeri &#8211; yep, she is.  My dad would never dared leave her in jail all night &#8211; he&#8217;d still be paying for it ;)<br />
.-= Hulan&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/HulanTheHoly/~3/hMupJXqC1Y4/" rel="nofollow">Cross Enough To Post!</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Kayeri</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2009/08/18/storytime-crime/comment-page-1/#comment-19829</link>
		<dc:creator>Kayeri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Menglor, you may have missed the part that the only reason that gun was in her purse in the first place is that he had argued her into it over the course of weeks!  And while I am not an adherent of large purses (I broke myself of that, thankfully), my mother does carry those large ones... and you can get TONS of stuff in there and its very easy to forget what all has sunk to the bottom of one of those things...  Especially when you only put something in there to humor your husband and get him to shut up! So, basically, she got arrested because he insisted it be in her purse to begin with... I&#039;d be just as pissed in that situation, as I mentioned in my response.  :)

and Hulan, GREAT story, your mom is one remarkable woman, I salute her.  :)

As for the readers outside the US, yes guns are a part of our lives, it&#039;s a simple fact.  I realize it may be hard to understand, but when you grow up with something, it is normal to you.  But turning this posting into a discussion about gun rights doesn&#039;t serve anyone, as everyone feels differently about the subject, even in the US and its very easy to get passions aroused and then the flame wars begin.  :)  And Bear&#039;s blog is far too fine a place for such things.  :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Menglor, you may have missed the part that the only reason that gun was in her purse in the first place is that he had argued her into it over the course of weeks!  And while I am not an adherent of large purses (I broke myself of that, thankfully), my mother does carry those large ones&#8230; and you can get TONS of stuff in there and its very easy to forget what all has sunk to the bottom of one of those things&#8230;  Especially when you only put something in there to humor your husband and get him to shut up! So, basically, she got arrested because he insisted it be in her purse to begin with&#8230; I&#8217;d be just as pissed in that situation, as I mentioned in my response.  :)</p>
<p>and Hulan, GREAT story, your mom is one remarkable woman, I salute her.  :)</p>
<p>As for the readers outside the US, yes guns are a part of our lives, it&#8217;s a simple fact.  I realize it may be hard to understand, but when you grow up with something, it is normal to you.  But turning this posting into a discussion about gun rights doesn&#8217;t serve anyone, as everyone feels differently about the subject, even in the US and its very easy to get passions aroused and then the flame wars begin.  :)  And Bear&#8217;s blog is far too fine a place for such things.  :)</p>
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		<title>By: Menglor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Menglor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 11:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not being American, I cant really understand the whole right to bear arm&#039;s.  I wont even challenge that.

You talk about carrying a firearm like its nothing more then a chunck of steel and that its the user who decides wether its a killer or a token chunk a metal, to some affect this is true.  an unloaded gun is nothing more then a token chunk of steel.

I understand all that, but what might not be obvious to anyone who supports guns, when I am standing in front of you, and you have a gun.  I dont know if its loaded, I dont know if your hell bent on killing everyone in sight.  so it makes more sense to just remove the object that adds too many question to the mix.

Bear, your married I dont know how long.  But I am married 15 years,  My wife has been in 5-8 accidents in those amount of years? I have seen her come to rolling stops, make turns when she should have stopped, and Yet she still is a good driver.  ok maybe Adequate.

if I got a call from the cop shop, saying my wife is in jail because she did something like roll through a stop sign, and flew off at the cop , or for any real reason, I would have no problems leaving her to spend the night in jail.  I dont want to be mean, but sometimes the best lessons are learned the hard way.  

I dont know what your mom is like, but I would believe your dad had good reason to leave her there for some past transgressions, maybe she left him hang out to dry for something once. I dont know. But its just to easy to pass judgement on one story without asking him, why he did it?


I know this though, after 15 years of marriage, and another 6 of dating with her.  there are times when I become a crusty old fart and so does she.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not being American, I cant really understand the whole right to bear arm&#8217;s.  I wont even challenge that.</p>
<p>You talk about carrying a firearm like its nothing more then a chunck of steel and that its the user who decides wether its a killer or a token chunk a metal, to some affect this is true.  an unloaded gun is nothing more then a token chunk of steel.</p>
<p>I understand all that, but what might not be obvious to anyone who supports guns, when I am standing in front of you, and you have a gun.  I dont know if its loaded, I dont know if your hell bent on killing everyone in sight.  so it makes more sense to just remove the object that adds too many question to the mix.</p>
<p>Bear, your married I dont know how long.  But I am married 15 years,  My wife has been in 5-8 accidents in those amount of years? I have seen her come to rolling stops, make turns when she should have stopped, and Yet she still is a good driver.  ok maybe Adequate.</p>
<p>if I got a call from the cop shop, saying my wife is in jail because she did something like roll through a stop sign, and flew off at the cop , or for any real reason, I would have no problems leaving her to spend the night in jail.  I dont want to be mean, but sometimes the best lessons are learned the hard way.  </p>
<p>I dont know what your mom is like, but I would believe your dad had good reason to leave her there for some past transgressions, maybe she left him hang out to dry for something once. I dont know. But its just to easy to pass judgement on one story without asking him, why he did it?</p>
<p>I know this though, after 15 years of marriage, and another 6 of dating with her.  there are times when I become a crusty old fart and so does she.</p>
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