You nailed one of mine with the fish feast. It’s gotten so bad, that I no longer allow fish feasts on my guild runs. They are not the best buff for every class anyway. Bring your own consumables, or I will find a raider that is willing to go the extra mile to help the group. I’ll even cook them for you! With MY SPICES! I also will refuse rezes on lazy people, and will not allow others to rez them either. If we wipe as a team, we run as a team. Simple as that.

Here’s one that happened, just yesterday. Running a TOC 25 man, half guild, half pugs. Doing…not to bad. Right after Jaraxxus (the 2nd boss) I have to go say hi to the wife real quick because she just got home. I sit back down, and the loot is still being handed out. None of it was for druids anyway, so what ever. I get a whisper “Thanks for ninjaing my axe you dick”

I was not raid leader. I was not loot master. I was simply tanking the boss. I did however, as I always do, make use of an add-on called Loothog. When a roll is detected, it starts a count down, and displays the rolls on my screen, and at the end of the count down prints them to raid chat. There is NO QUESTION who wins a roll. And it works as long as it’s loaded, with no input from me whatsoever. I checked, he had in fact rolled 2nd highest, and there was proof right there in raid chat.

Regardless, a HUGE pet peeve of mine is when a person QQs about loot. And to do it in a whisper, to who he must have thought was the loot master was total bullshit. It’s even worse when they whisper the person that won the item. Oh man, it peeves me. If you have anything other then “grats!” to say about somebody getting loot, then you will be told in not very polite ways to leave. And if it’s a guildie of mine, my officer wrath will be upon you.

NOW, sometimes things are handed out incorrectly, or perhaps somebody rolled and didn’t realize they couldn’t equip that weapon, or perhaps they already have something better. A polite “excuse me….” And then an explanation is fine. But calling somebody a ninja to their face when they clearly didn’t? /kick

When a dps pulls aggro off not one, but two, tanks before a lacerate/sunder is applied to the mob by either tank, backs up still attacking when the mob runs at them, continues dpsing when one tank taunts, gets aggro, contunes as the other tank taunts, gets aggro again, finally dies, and says, “omg u tanks suck so bad! wtf!!”

The bullshit I see most frequently are VoA pugs who still don’t understand how to single target dps down the charged add on Emalon. When I call them out with a recount report (damage done to/top damaging skills) they just act all tough and say “you don’t know shit about [insert class here]!” But lo and behold, on the next (successful) attempt, we have no more mind sears/volleys/foks.

Another one of mine, happened yesterday (was a bad day apparently). It was late at night, and I was running out of space on my bank alt. I send all BOE items that I get on my hunter to my bank alt to be DEed later. I wanted my bank space back, but no guildies were on to DE stuff. What ever. I ask an enchanter that is advertising in trade to DE 20 items for me for a 50 gold tip. I immediately get a “YES!” to it, and he meets me in org. I trade him some of the items (he couldn’t hold them all at one time), then he starts his DE. It’s taking a long time. He asks how many I gave him. “Uh oh” I think. I always keep track of the results of party DEs when a stranger does work for me. I trade the rest to him. He takes a long time again. Finally, he is done. So then he asks me….”How many of what do I owe you?” I face palm myself in real life. Seriously.

I had kept track, and he owed me 18 infinite dusts, 3 greater comics, and 5 lessers. ( That is close to the real numbers, but it’s hazy now. I know those were the correct mats though, everything I gave him was from Northrend) I tell him this, and he hands me 20 arcane Dusts, and some planar essences. I tell him “Um, dude, that’s BC enchanting mats, and that’s not from what I handed you.” I did this nicely. A long pause goes by. He says “I’m filling nice” and proceeds to give me ALL of his enchanting mats (all low level stuff from BC or before). He did not however give me what he owed me. Stunned, I’m not sure what to do. Did I recall wrong? I’m sure I counted correctly. But it late, and I had a drink when I sat down (that was at that point currently empty). I scroll up in my chat frame, but alas…..too much trade chat had gone by, and I could not scroll up to his DEs. I ask him if he is SURE. He tells me he only has 5 infinite dusts in his bag, and he gives them to me. At a loss, I tip him 100 gold for the “extra mats” I got and logged off. If indeed I was wrong I paid him for the extra mats. If I’m right, he used and abused me, and took his time so I couldn’t scroll up and prove it. I’ve never been screwed like that before by enchanters, but now I’m very wary of a transaction I’ve done 50 times before.

Asking for to someone to post recount numbers after every fight. Gawd i hate that. If they are that interested they can take the 15 secs to install it just like I did. I’m going to just start posting activity or some other number than dps until they get the point.

Running back after wipes. If you don’t run back, you are just telling me that you are much more special than I am, so you don’t have to do the unfun stuff in the game. And it actually takes more time to run back and then rez some idiot than if everyone ran. An officer and I caused some guild drama after telling a raider that runs are mandatory after wipes.

Bear – Your examples and Copey’s example are all good ones, but my favorite group disruption is when a pug member suddenly announces that he or she is going to go have some breakfast/lunch/dinner right in the middle of an instance. I don’t care if people ask for a quick bio break or want to grab a snack after downing a boss before moving on in the instance, but when I was leveling my druid I was in a group to do regular UK and the death knight tank suddenly decided he needed to go get something to eat after the first boss and told us he’d be back in half hour. Luckily, we had a mage in our group that the was the alt of a well-geared 80 orc warrior, so he switched toons and we easily four-manned the rest of the instance.

Last weekend, I was looking for a group for regular UK, AN, or OK on my lock alt and I got invited to an AN group by someone who found me in LFG. As soon as we had a full group, he passed lead to me and said he was going to go get something to eat… We figured he meant he’d be back right away and since he wasn’t the tank or healer and both our tank and healer we’re level 76 or 77, we decided to start without him and then I’d summon him when he got back. After 15 minutes we kicked him from the group and found another DPS in LFG.

Sure, I’m a pretty casual player and WoW is a game, but there should still be the expectation of common courtesy and respect for your fellow group members. How many people would just walk off the court during a pick-up basketball game and say I’m gonna go get something to eat, but I should be back in half an hour? Any organized group in real life or a game will probably let anyone who asks take a quick break or even leave for longer to do something important or take care of their kids if you ask, but it seems pretty asinine to not ask for a break and to just think noone else will care if you disappear for half an hour or so since your time is obviously more important than their time.

I hate dealing with Prima Donnas. Drama Queens. Bossy Bessies (ohnoes I’m being Un-PC hang me from the nearest tree).

Sure, they’re in everything in WoW, from the Auction House to the lowliest questing zone to Roleplay – but they are particularly annoying in an instance.

When I first started DK tanking, Unholy, when Unholy Blight was a great AoE ability, there was another girl that had an 80 DK tank for her main. On this particular run, she was the healer – a Holy Priest that only seemed capable of greater heals and got me killed a few times ’cause she couldn’t judge her casts appropriately – and we had a brand new guildie, a Frost mage with BC raiding experience, in the run. To start, she claimed dibs on the hood from Keleseth (if it dropped, which it did) and I was too damned tired to tell her “Yeah, we don’t do that in my groups”, so I left it alone (stupid mistake #1). Throughout the instance she was telling people what to do, and on Dalronn it really reached a head when she said, “Everybody stand close so I don’t have to heal you,” something like that.

Honey, you’ve been standing close the entire instance, much to my chagrin (Peeve 2: Healers not understanding the concept of proximity aggro – the closer you are, the more you generate), and who died and made you party leader? Not me, for damn sure. This was all shit I was going to TELL the party myself, but she was constantly bossing ‘em around and I was just too “Bleh guh kill me now” to argue.

The mage didn’t stand close. He took some damage, he used his ice blocks and his shields and it didn’t seem to be a problem. Next thing I know, the healer is raging at him for not listening to her, he drops group and hearths out after they have a little argument in /p over her conduct, and the rest of us are left looking kinda like this: “O_O”

She also bitched at him in private, telling him that he should feel lucky he got in on her run.

… I stopped instancing with her after that.

TL;DR: Instance Queens suck. Stating “Dibs” on anything sucks when there are other people in the group that can USE IT. Etc. etc. Mat is a crank.
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My biggest beef – people who can’t take the time to find out how to play their class – especially when those people are my friends!

And I have 2 friends, was 3 until I straightened him out – at least he took feedback about his class and made improvement.

Basically, the group consists of me – priest, my husband – boomkin, hunter, druid, and either dk/warrior.

My husband used to try and tank for the group but they always pulled agro off of him and he basically said no more. Can’t say I blame him. The hunter was a huntard, he’s gotten better but still has some issues but at least not with threat and he’s gotten better a dropping traps to save me when agro goes south. I played a hunter heavily though bc and knew how to play one for the most part.

These other two though… they’d rather play dps and their dps is way low – especially since they buy tons of decent gear. Occasionally, they have volunteered to tank and I usually die quick because they just don’t understand how agro really works and that if they don’t do aoe’s – you end up with a dead squishy which usually means a wipe and they get mad at me when I say I won’t let them tank because they aren’t spec’d/geared properly. I can’t offer them any kind of guidance because then ‘I’m telling them how to play their class’. They won’t research anything about their class. Heck, the druid I pointed to your site back in the day and I got back ‘I can’t read all that’ – I was hoping she would look at your quick links especially on how to max cat damage and had mentioned them to her.

It’s gotten to the point where I don’t play on that server anymore because its not worth losing the friendship over and I just get too frustrated wiping to mobs that should be a no brainer. I’d love to be doing heroic 5mans with them and maybe some pickup raids but it just won’t happen.

Frankly, I’ve had more bad experiences playing with my friends that most pickup groups are awesome :-P

One of my pet peeves? Receiving a /whisper from some random asking me to heal or tank an instance when I’m already quite clearly in an instance or raid. I was running a 10-man Trial of the Crusader recently on my eponymous altadin when a level 70 warlock asked me to come tank Zul’Aman.

I tried to be polite. “Sorry. I’m in a raid.”

He was persistent, if rather laconic: “Pls.”

“… Sure. Let me just drop this raid — you know, the one I’m doing with my guildies so we can get some nice, level-appropriate gear — so I can tank an old instance for someone I don’t even know.”

Alas, my sarcasm was wasted on the little lockling.

“Rly?”

“No.”

I won’t repeat his response. It was /not/ nice.
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Mine is in VoA, and I suffered it again today while watching 4 of my guildies accepted. The raid leader was a butthead rogue who would not have one single other rogue in the entire danged raid so any rogue loot goes to him alone… yet it doesnt bother him in the least to stack paladins 6-thick. I went back to Kayeri and put this jerk on my ignore list, vowing I will NEVER heal for him, ever… It also took over half an hour for this lame-ass to assemble the group because of this…

Welcome to only the 2nd spot on my PERMANENT ignore list in three years of playing, douchebag…

Gee, I don’t sound too awfully peeved about it, do I?? :)

…I have to pick *one*??

- People who don’t bother to eat the fish feast when it is down, but ask for it after it’s already disappeared.
- People who died to trash pulls and ask for another feast, then get upset when one is not planted for their sole consumption.
- Mail/plate users rolling need on leather or cloth gear, and taking it out from under leather and cloth users. Especially when it’s a hunter taking leather expertise gear from a rogue or druid, who then attempts to explain that it’s still an upgrade for them and if they can equip it then it was obviously meant for them.
- Anyone who lies about whether or not they died in the fire. Especially when their corpse is in a pool of lava.
- Anyone who lies about dieing to a cleave. Especially when their corpse is on top of the tank.
- Tanks that spin their cleaving, tail-whipping, or cone-breathing adversaries in circles, then yell at the dps for getting cleaved/tail-whipped/breathed upon.
- Tanks that drag their cleaving, tail-whipping, or cone-breathing adversaries into a group of healers or casters, and then blame the healers for the wipe.
- Raid Leaders who order the raid to stay with the group, and then lead the group straight into a flame breath or cleave, and then yell at the raid for not getting out of it.
- People who agree to come to a long, involved raid (usually in the case of a pug), but can only play for 30 minutes, and leave after the first couple bosses.
- People who think that someone else would be happy to come into VoA after Koralon has already been killed, and we should have no trouble filling their (tank) spot should they leave, because they don’t want to hang around the 10 minutes it will take to kill the other two bosses.
- Healers who think that if they don’t get a healing assignment, then they can just wand at stuff, even while the raid is wiping.
- Warlocks who life-tap while at full mana.
- Anyone who thinks that purple pixels are an indisputable measure of skill.

…I’m sure there are plenty of others I can think of, but I’ll stop hogging the soapbox now :D

“The person that dies in a fight and makes no effort to actually get themselves back to the instance on their own. They wait for a ressurrection, regardless of whether the entire team wiped and has to run back, or whether it’s in Trials where you can run back in during the encounter itself and your team might need you, or whatever.”

I cannot stand this. When I’m healing and someone doesn’t run back with everyone else I will get to their corpse, say, “AFK” and wait to see how long it takes them to get back. If I know the tank I will tell him to continue pulling without them. Sometimes, if they are nice and ask for a rez while they go to the bathroom, take care of their child, etc. I don’t mind as long as it is the exception rather then the rule.

“Someone that doesn’t spend two seconds discussing strategy. They might, if you’re lucky, ask if everyone is ready before they pull the boss.”

I prefer this, but I can’t stand it when someone says they’re ready even though they’ve never been there and have no idea what to do for the boss. If you’ve never been through the instance before, please give a warning to your group so that they can spend a moment giving you some valuable instruction. If you run into an …. who kicks you from the group for it then you are probably better off not running with them.

1. Typhoon/Thunderstorm/Blast Wave unglyphed.
2. Any DPS that taunts off me. Not pulls off, but taunts. Usually a DK with DG. Only time I’m fine with it is when they pull a caster into melee range for me.
3. DPS that pulls trash/bosses before I pull. Not try to tank it or anything but pulls it and runs to the group.

People who are clearly skilled players, but consider themselves to “leet” to adjust their playstyle in any way to accomodate others: tanks who chain-pull whole rooms while their healer has no mana and begs for mana breaks, healers who think their tank is too slow and run ahead aggroing adds, and so on.

People whose first reaction to anything going wrong is to publically berate others. “Sheesh, are you tanking with your eyes closed? Your dps sucks!” etc.
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Apathy.

I can cope with drama, ninjaing and so on. But running a guild where 90% of the players expect the other 10% to work miracles to keep them entertained was gruelling.

The whole 20 people spamming Wintergrasp with “inv” and no one inviting makes me want to just log off.

I’m having too much fun with this topic! How about reading this in trade: “LFM for (Insert raid here) PST stats and achievement”

You armory that person, and more then half the time they THEM SELVES don’t have the achievement. Ask to be carried much? If you are on your alt, as most of them claim when I whisper them to send me thier achievement first, then what are you looking for? People on thier mains to carry you? Is your alt the only alt allowed? Weak sauce.

“1. Typhoon/Thunderstorm/Blast Wave unglyphed.”

I don’t mind if they don’t have it unglyphed…. As long as they don’t USE it while I’m trying to tank the mobs. But if they come into the nice tight little pack of casters that I’ve gathered into a corner and blast them away…… /SCREAM

Or, even better if they do it as the mobs are coming around the corner that I’m pulling to. /sigh /disband

For me the thing I hate most are people trying to ride my coattails

Someone trying to raid but they’re in full greenies

Someone who hasn’t read the tactics. Whose gear is grossly inappropriate for their content they’re trying to take, who may even have ebayed a character and have no clue how to play it

I want to play with people. I don’t want to cfarry them. I hate being used

LOL, you watch army wifes too eh?

Burakku’s suggestion of people who run away from the tank is a good one, but I’ve been dealing with that so long I’m mostly desensitized to it.

The one that still gets me, and got me just last night, is premature whining about deaths. I’ve run plenty of groups where nobody died, but sometimes shit happens. To use my most recent encounter as an example, complaining at length that you’re “sick of dying” after one individual death and one wipe means I’m not inviting you to another group. WoW is a highly fatal game. There are few repercussions to death, and we’ve all died innumerable times. What’s a couple more?

Of course, if you’re dying repeatedly because someone is screwing up, then there’s reason to complain. But complain about the screwup, not that you died.

That time the healer and the mage stopped in the middle of Ramparts fer to have a duel? That were pretty annoying. Especiallies since after she lost, the priest DC’d and never came back.
Ratshag´s last blog ..Is Where Ellspeth Gets Achievements

So, mine is long, but it involves a few different examples I see from my friends/guildies who I run with frequently, that they still do and it pisses me off. First off we have a dpser who never has any repair money, any food, bandages, or other consumables, so after a death he always just sits there and finally after 2-3 mins he will ask me if i am going to heal him, to which i say “no, everyone else had food and got themselves to 100% health again.”

2nd is people who don’t release after wipes, which is a very common one judging from previous commentors. I flatly refuse to rez after a wipe, saying that if you had released at the same time as me, you would be alive by now. As Raid Leader, I have made it a rule to not allow rez’s after wipes, and if a healer rez’s someone after a wipe I will /w both the person who did the rezzing and the rezzee saying it is the last time, or they wont raid with us anymore.

3rd; Our GM is what we affectionately (amongst the officers) refer to as “Jack of all trades, master of none.” He has 9 80s: Warrior (tank) Paladin (tank) Priest (holy) Druid (tree/bear) 3 mages, a hunter and a DK. When he tanks he has horrible aggro issues and refuses to install any addons. As a healer he will never follow his assingment and usually always heals the MT even though I (paladin healer) was on the MT. I have finally given up on ths issue, and I always take raid heals as a paladin because I know he cant handle it. In addition to this, whether he is on his priest or druid, he has horrible mana control. He will mostly spam healing touch/nourish or greater heal, and even though I have talked to him about it several times, it never gets through, so he will always *always* use a mana pot, ask for an innervate from another druid, or ask our shaman to drop their mana tide totem, and usually he will have done all of these by 50% through the fight, leaving us with an Oom healer the rest of the way. The last thing he does that drives me and our tanks crazy, is when he is on his fire mage he LOVES blastwave and frost nova. He will run into a melee range, blastwave the mobs out of the tanks range, then almost always follow with a frost nova to keep them spread out, making it a nightmare on tanks. When he sheeps something, he will always break the sheep before the tank is ready, pulling aggro, then iceblock b4 the tank can recover, and I or another healer quickly finds themself in trouble. It got so bad that I kicked him from a heroic run after he blastwaved a group of mobs and caused a wipe. I have since forbidden any knockbacks in runs.

Waterwalking or using path of frost to kill people on anub’arak. Nothing pisses me off more than intentionally killing other people and slowing down a raid.

To make it short and sweet.

Posting damage meters unasked really burns me up. I can see recount as a useful tool for self-improvement, but not as an epeen compitition. You want to have a compitition with someone fine, keep it to whispers.

Expecting a rez when everyone else ran back is unacceptable.

Lastly folks that demand folks be way over geared for whatever they are building the pug for. I actually saw someone today in trade wanting the [epic] achievment before you were good enough for thier Direbrew run. >.<
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- I hate it when someone drops a toy train while we’re discussing strategy, it’s noisy and distracting.
- Warlocks Life Tapping themselves half to death.
- People asking for recount data, install the damn addon already.
- Mages that raid in Frost.

Disingenuity in pugs. It’s ok to tell me you don’t want another caster in your PuG cos you want all the caster loot for yourself. Really! That’s fine, it’s your pug and you can run it in whatever manner you please (incidentally, this also allows me to counter with the fact that I am probably just looking for exp and would be happy to pass on caster boss drops). But saying something like “we already have a shadow priest and don’t need another 8-(” strains the limits of credulity, especially when we’re talking about something like reg UK.

The guy who acts as if a 30 min instance run is about 29 minutes longer than his attention span can handle. When you’re ready to pull he’s across the room (or in a completely different room) trying to jump onto a vase. When you’re discussing tactics he’s spamming emotes and spinning in circles. When you pause because the healers/dps need to drink he runs ahead and stands at the very edge of aggro range jumping up and down. Throughout the entire instance he’s jumping, jumping, jumping.

It’s particularly special when this is the tank…

A guild master’s girl friend that causes drama. ‘nuff said.

Ok this isn’t nearly the same as anyone else’s comments but it still gets under my skin every time it happens.

1) Using macro’s to spam some stupid message stating you’re using an ability and/or have aggro as DPS. Seriously, I don’t care when you use your skills and I damned sure don’t care when you have aggro Mr Huntard that doesn’t know how to use your cooldowns properly to drop threat.

2) Announcing in raid and/or vent that you died as the DPS, or saying you’re low on health as DPS. Thanks, but I’m fairly certain that our healers have party frames and can tell when someone is low on health. If you died (esp due to #1), you should seriously consider figuring out what YOU did wrong and stop filling up Vent so that when the tank needs to announce something (like a tank-switch), he can be heard.

For me it’s the person who has the completely inappropriate tactics for a boss. Two examples from two different raid leaders:

10-man Sarth, 0 drakes, 3 hunters being asked to somehow co-ordinate their tranq shots to dispell the enrages on the adds instead of the one rogue using his poison and fan of knives, as it would harm the rogue’s DPS too much (let’s not get into the logistics and DPS loss of the three hunters managing to pick 3 different targets first time out…).

25-man Flame Leviathan, 0 towers, all 5 passengers being thrown onto FL to destroy his turrets with the result of almost no pyrite being used the entire fight… AFTER we spent 5 minutes shooting down everything we could see in the air.

The other thing that drives me up the wall, onto the ceiling, and down the opposite wall is when DPS refuse to attack the adds. The worst offender has to be part one of Northrend Beasts, when a Snobold can be beating on a healer standing directly in front of a ranged DPS, who makes no attempt to help. Got to love people who get snobolds on their heads who then run around the edge of the arena for no reason at all.

Apologies if somebody already mentioned it but.. manners. That’s my biggest pet peeve. Those people that demand “summon” “inv” and if you’re lucky you might get a “pls” or a “plix” .. which is as good as not saying it. You all wipe, and one guy doesn’t run in, immediately “res druid”, like these characters don’t have names? To be very honest, if anyone calls me hunter in a run it’s not even laziness it’s downright rude, my character’s name is ‘Fae’ >.> Things like that, I have no specific story because feck me they’re everywhere!

I don’t group that much but lately there’s one thing that’s been annoying me. I’m a hunter with a fondness for tenacity pets. I can’t have them tank newer instances but for old world and the weaker Outland ones, my pet can do the trick. But the problem is that the healers will ignore my pet when it’s tanking. Most of the time, I can keep up the healing on my pet but sometimes, it just gets annoying. If you’re going to use my pet as a tank, buff it and heal it like you would do to a tank.

@Kae “- Warlocks who life-tap while at full mana.”

The warlock Life Tap glyph gives you a nice spellpower boost and as a resultlocks with it tap at the start of the fight just for that reason.

A complete and utter lack of spatial awareness. Standing in stuff, pulling extra mobs, not paying attention to what others are doing such as the tank.

I like to avoid pulling anything I don’t have too to save time, which in places like halls of lightning can be a little dangerous if people don’t look at the mobs around them before wandering into them. I hate to just pull the extra mobs because how will anyone learn to look around them if there isn’t any danger.

I also know a few healers that will die in any type of ground AOE 90% of the time (the other 10% they heal through it). Totally annoying.

Oh and a bonus annoying thing, resto druids that don’t use rejuvenation. I know of one (also falls under the die in a fire category above), well geared and heals at a sub heroic level due to spell rotation alone. Gentle hints don’t seem to work.

I suppose in general my biggest pet peeve is people that don’t learn. Not slow learners mind you, people that will make the same mistakes over and over, month after month.

Recount whores.

I freaking hate them.

Naxx 10 run with guildies – we’re actually all RL friends that have since been spread out across Canada and other parts of the world. As such, we never bother to set a loot master because we’re all courteous with each other. (This, as you can likely guess, was our first mistake.)

Anwyay, we were one short. 3 people in LFG. We decided to bring a mage as we didn’t have one in the group and it provided a nice 3/3 balance of ranged/melee dps. We’re not gear elitists, but I checked any way (I have an 80 mage, too… it’s always nice to see what other kids have!) Reasonable mix and could easily break 1500 dps for Naxx 10 runs. We asked if he knew the fights and he said he did. Good enough. Construct wing was our goal that evening.

Patchwork went down, no problem. Mage put out decent dps and won two pieces of gear because no one else rolled.

Grobbulus was another story. He didn’t bother to move while injected. So we wiped. We explained the fight, where to run, etc. Still didn’t bother to move while injected but we managed to finish the fight. Item got sharded because no one wanted it. Rolled for shard and this mage won the roll. I politely asked him to pass it on to the 2nd highest roll as he had already one two pieces of gear. Fortunately, he did.

On to Gluth now, and because of how Grobbulus went, we explained the whole fight. He continued to show his lack of thought process because he would AoE the zombies being kited while decimate was NOT active. Total waste of dps. Anyway, somehow we managed to get through that fight. Mage/Rogue/Druid/DK tier gear dropped. Shoulders, I think. He won the roll on that, too. (Haxx, maybe? :P)

Thaddius, well, he of course couldn’t figure out how the polarity business worked, despite it being explained twice. He died, of course… but fortunately, we had enough to down Thaddius and no potential Mage loot dropped and nothing was sharded.

We basically said we were done for the night and let him leave the group and he logged off and we got a guildy (who popped on after we started) to help us finish up the Military wing.

So, yeah, it’s maybe a bit our own fault for not setting loot master or establishing loot rules (there’s never been a need for it before). But it still pisses me off to no end when someone doesn’t have the sense to have some courtesy. If you’ve won some loot, at the very least ASK if someone minds if you roll for another upgrade. If other people are rolling, then pass. You got some phat lewtz already. If it’s tier gear. Roll until you won a piece. Then pass until everyone’s won a piece.

Damn, I wrote a lot. I should be a guest writer for this blog. ;)

Recount posters – I generally post cleanses or fails if I’m healing, or TPS if I’m tanking. Hey – those are the stats I’m watching.

Run after wiping. It’s gotten so ingrained that I have to remind myself to not release on a boss when I’m on my newbie mage.

Summoning…If I see you moving towards the instance, or at least making an effort – I’ll summon you. Yeah, I’m a Paladin on a Rusted-Proto, and I’ve got my Northrend Transporter to open wormholes – so I’m usually there faster – but I’m putting the effort to get there. I will rarely summon more than once, figuring you were just afk when I did it.

Rolling on DEs. No. It’s my enchanting skill – not yours. You get to keep herbs/skins/ore – I get to keep the shards. I will happily roll greed on everything, and then DE something for the group at the end for a fee – but unless someone inspects me to see that my rings are enchanted and brings it up – I never mention that I’m an enchanter.

Failing to appreciate the carry. Nothing like someone getting carried through a heroic that acts like they were a star. When I get to go on my mage (not so much any more – but you get the picture) and I knew I was just one step up from dead weight – I knew the fact that I’m on an alt of one of the best geared paladins on the server doesn’t matter. You act humble and thank folks for the opportunity to tag along.

Getting on “noobs”. Yes – there are idiots in the game. The feral druid who puts spell pen on his gloves (gem) becuase it’s either that or stamina to get his 6AP socket bonus. Educate first – then if they just don’t get it – go ahead and mock them. Harping on someone who doesn’t know a fight but has the intestinal fortitude to ask will just get you kicked from my group. We had a preist (PUG) complaining about a PUG rogue in a 25 ToC we were hosting because the guy didn’t have epic gems in his blues/naxx gear – and didn’t have the best enchants. It was obvious the guy was trying – so so long priest.

Many more I’m sure – but I’m taking more than my share of space :)
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A few choice ones from recent times:

1) Guildies who think they’re too good for the raid group that we’re currently participating in, who spend time laughing and making fun of the way that the fight’s being explained by the Raid Leader, who may go AFK during said explanation, who encourage others to take part in the making fun (all in secret, as this is a multi-guild raid, and this is all going on in guild chat), and then after the Raid Leader is done ask “Ok, so who am I healing/DPSing?” Especially since this happens every time we raid with this particular guild, and they feel that the guild running the raid isn’t that good, yet they accept the invites every time.

2) DPS who think it’s a source of pride to be able to generate so much threat that “no tank can hold aggro off me”, and who may even find it funny to play ‘aggro games’ with the tank, especially when they haven’t let the tank know they’re doing so intentionally. (Worse yet is when they say they’re ‘not even going all out, just enough to pull the aggro’.)

3) Guildies who complain about raid lockouts to me, about how I’m not thinking ahead when I go on a raid with another group, while they do the same, and then say “Well, I can do that – I have multiple 80s. You only have one, so you have to think about the guild schedule first.” (Especially when there’s nothing on the guild schedule for the week, but come back with “Well, we would have done something if you hadn’t gotten yourself locked out – we have no tank now.”)

4) Guildies who focus on Recount stats like DPS or Total Damage, love it when they come in top, but always have some sort of ‘reason’ why they weren’t top if they weren’t. This refers to – “Oh, my Mage can’t compete on Total Damage with DKs, since they have DoTs and pets and lots of AoE.” or “I wasn’t top DPS because the Raid Leader had me on (insert utility function here) that took away from my DPS.”

5) Healers who make it a point to say outright in chat/Vent – “Oh it’s so easy to heal [insert Tank name that isn't me],” when that someone else is tanking, and may say “Oh, it’s getting a little easier to heal for you.” to me when I’m tanking. =p (Ok, maybe that’s more of a personal, rather than general pet peeve.)

And that’s just a few, and I think three of them happened last Saturday alone.

I’ll be interested to see what other peeves this leads to, BBB.

My 2 yen,

Akiosama
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As a Tank, I’m always amazed when I run into melee who haven’t figured out to get *behind* the boss.

My wife’s pet peeve (no pun intended) is getting bombarded by whispers about one of her Spirit Beasts. “Where’d you get that pet?”

It’s gotta be a toss up between melee who can’t be bothered to watch their agro (aka mages and huntards) and probably recount whores. Also people who don’t talk out their problems in a group but instead pst all the other players about how the other people suck and I gotta add the dk who cant tank and…I need to make a blog just so I can vent sheesh

People who ignore me when I ask if I should bother dropping a Fish Feast in a 5 man. I don’t mind dropping one, and don’t care if I don’t, but don’t ignore me.

Um… Dirz… Melee who can’t watch aggro? Y’might want to rephrase your aka. A bit of a headscratcher to me – not sure if you meant ranged who can’t be bothered to watch their aggro, or meant “aka Rogues, etc.”

Though I wiill have to agree about Mages, Warlocks and Hunters having trouble sometimes keeping an eye on aggro.

And fortunately, at least from what the people around me say, I am a DK that CAN tank. =p [I am, but I'm just kidding with ya.]

My 2 yen,

Akiosama
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On bosses where you have to manoover the boss into a certain position before you can start properly getting aggro, but dps decide to start nukeing the hell out of the boss before youve managed to get an aggro hold and are still positioning, then scream at you when they get aggro and sometimes die.

One of my biggest is dps who go in right before or right as the tank does… pull aggro and then expect the tank to taunt it. We had several dps that would rather get a moment of super dps in then die rather than gimp their dps by actually letting the tank pull… Hence my philosophy – “You yank it you tank it.”

And as a Raid Leader – someone that constantly whispers and whines about everything. You change one thing to suit their desires [mainly because you see it as a raid improvement] and they whine about that.

Or people who decline to show for raids because “they have everything already” [why are you rolling for that awesome trinket then?]. Or “you won’t let me bring my alt”

Or the people with a bunch of viable raiding alts [heck I have several myself] who come on one toon and whine when something their other toon could have used. Every piece of gear in these instances can be used by an alt of mine… seriously… and I’m not whining, so they should have no cause to!

Hmm can’t say just one.

I can’t stand asshats that think they are so leet that they’re better than everyone else. Especially when they have to butt in and try to hurry things along in a raid when they aren’t living up to their standards. We have a guy like that in our 25 man raids. I don’t know how, but every single time he opens his mouth it automatically = a pissed off bear tank. I can’t stand him. My raid leader says he’s a really nice guy, but in raids he has to be an asshat. I know he’s trying to make the raid better, but I absolutely can’t stand his style – especially since he’s not the raid leader.

One thing that pisses me off is the lazy jerk that can’t be bothered to type out “you” or “please”. I can’t stand seeing letters strung together in a travesty of a sentence. “can u rez plz tk” is so annoying. If you say plz because it’s shorter than please, then I say no because it’s shorter than yes.

Loooong story incoming.

Another pet peeve: drama llamas. I can’t stand people that make drama. If you make drama in guild/party/raid chat, you’re getting kicked. I don’t put up with it, period. You’re an adult, work it out yourself *behind* the scene. Take it to whispers. Just don’t act like you’re more special than everyone else.

My best friend and I knew a chic that we moved guilds with frequently until we finally made our own guild and invited her to join ours permanently. I didn’t know her very well until then. As time wore on and we ran Kara and such together (yeah, this was a long time ago), we started to realize just how sensitive she was. That’s fine, I can understand someone who’s a little sensitive. Then she started getting onto one of our own friends we brought along to help fill out a guild run. She told them in vent, and in raid chat, how they were a horrible healer and how one wipe was all their fault. That was BS and we never, ever, ever pull crape like that. We always insist on doing any kind of correction in private. With her being so sensitive, she should have known better.

Anyways, not long after that, she & her boyfriend and my best friend had a drama filled falling-out which broke apart the guild and caused him (my friend) to leave the game entirely for almost a year. He finally came back a while after LK came out. A couple months ago, I find out that this chic is back in guild because he invited her in. O.O I completely boggled. I couldn’t figure out why he invited her back in, but he’s as bad as I am about being a forgiving softy. I never really forgave her for being such a drama llama and breaking up the entire guild (which I had to put back together by myself – no, I’m not bitter at all…), but apparently he did. So I said sure, everyone deserves a second chance.

Not but a couple weeks went by, I’d been inviting her to the guild runs and such, and one night comes up where we need a healer for Ulduar. So one of our guildies says this chic is on an alt and I say to ask her if she wants to come along tonight since she’s online. I noticed she hadn’t accepted or declined the calendar invite for that week. So she pops on her main in guild and starts in on this big spiel about how she’s not going to come on my run if she doesn’t get put on the invite list. Huh? I know when she came back I put her on the calendar list. So I check the list for that week, and she’s right, she’s not on it. But she’s on the list for the previous week. Somehow, and I don’t know how since I copy/paste the list every single week, her name didn’t end up on the list. I apologized and said I didn’t know what happened, but she’s supposed to be on the list. Instead of asking me about it, she decided to throw a tempter tantrum in /guild. So I said screw it. After that she definitely wasn’t coming on my raid. And then 3 days later she randomly left a 25 man that our guild joins because someone said her name on vent and mentioned that it sounded like a druid name instead of a priest. Someone else made a joke about furries – very much *not* directed at her. And she just left vent and left the raid because they thought they were making fun of her. So whatever, she left guild after that and I’m glad of it.

Also, I’m totally guilty of being the bouncy bear. It’s not my attention span though, more of an annoying nervous tic. :P

The 25 man I attend is also guilty of killing each other. The frogger before Mimiron? Yeah, 3 hunters all misdirecting the bombs to an annoying raid member. (He totally deserves it, he’s so damned annoying.) Our pally tank also has a horrible habit of bubbling and dragging a bomb into the raid. It’s hilarious as long as the rest of the group finds it hilarious. :P I’d never pull stunts like that outside of that specific group though. It’s really not funny to kill people on purpose when *they* don’t think it’s funny. But if you can’t stand getting your chain jerked you’re not going to last in that group very long. (See above example with the drama llama.)

Whew that was a long post.

too much haste, not enough speed.

i.e. Raid leaders/group organisers rushing when some members of the group do not know what is required of them. Be it me or anybody else, I hate it (and as the tank, I can slow it down, explain it properly and fix it.)

One of my biggest gripes is during group formation… while the

“The person that wants to go on the run, but once invited, makes no effort to get to the instance entrance on their own. They just automatically expect someone else will, and will summon them. I’ve even seen this for Violet Hold, believe it or not. Oh yes I have.”

is frustrating (and it definitely gets listed as a pet peeve), its the:

“Thanks for the invite… now expect radio silence for the next 5, 10, 20 minutes while you make your way to the instance.”

They frustrate the hell out of me because more often than not you would half clear the instance in the time it takes for them to appear.

Mind you, your

“Someone that insists on talking about the strategy on the next fight, even though everybody on the run has been doing this same fight together the last four months (this would be me… yep, I do that).”

has broken my group of friends into 8 separate units now.
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I don’t PuG, so I don’t have to deal with some of the above. That said, my biggest irritation is people who expect others to stand around waiting for them. I don’t care if it’s people who didn’t repair before hand, people who sign up for a raid that aren’t ready because they jumped into a instance run 20 minutes before start time, or people asking for drink break 5 minutes after someone else asked for a bio break. I mean, really, you couldn’t take care of this during the last time we all had to wait around? My favorite was a hunter formerly in our guild (a truly special person who once rolled on, won, and equipped the tanking sword from H UK) who asked, right in front of Noth, if she had time to go down to the store and get a pack of cigarettes! Seriously? You expect the rest of us to wait around while you do that?!

I understand that people can’t (and probably shouldn’t) go on a 5 hour raiding spree without leaving the computer. That doesn’t excuse wasting the time of 4-24 other people just suit your arbitrary schedule. Most groups schedule or allow breaks at intervals. Take advantage of them, ok? What bothers me the most is that it seems so common among guildmates and friends that you would expect to be somewhat courteous. =(

To comment on the above, life tap for the glyph can be a rank 1. If you’re using max rank at full mana, you’re being lazy. If you’re using rank 1, no one will notice anyway. The warlocks that really piss off healers are the ones that wait until right before a pull at ~20% mana, then Life Tap back to full right as the tank pulls. Bonus if they open with Seed or some other AoE before the mobs even reach the tank.

The one I’m guilty of is lack of food (I bring my own Flasks, Potions, Reagents, and Water to every run). There are always fish feasts around in raids anyway, and I tend to provide enough guild services on my toons that I haven’t been too concerned about pulling my weight on that one. I have finally started to work on my fishing and cooking on my main though. =)

i was tanking a recent run through ToC regular where upon the the first drop was the epic ilvl200 tanking pants. that’s when the pally healer says in chat “OMG, tanking gear is the only reason why i came here. i’m rolling need!” i responded by saying that if he was here for tanking gear that he should be tanking and that he should roll greed for any off spec gear as the tank should have first priority at tanking gear. the second boss also dropped tanking gear and he rolled need again explaining that its not off spec gear for him because one day he is going to be a main tank. i told him he’s lucky i didn’t need any of that gear because i would be raising a big stink about it if i did. we down the black knight and sure enough the black heart drops, my lovely pally healer immediately rolls need, i also don’t need this piece of gear but i whisper the warrior in our group and say if he is ever planning on tanking he should roll on it, he does and he beats the pally. i am very happy.
one of the most annoying practices i see quite often in pug groups is there always seems to be 1 guy who constantly asks for recount to be put up, he more often than not is the lowest in dps. i know that every time he sees his sub par dps that he is going to start getting more aggressive to try and pick up his numbers. i will usually throw my vigilance onto this guy because i know he’s going to jump the gun and end up pulling. i hate having to use vigilance on a low dps’er but meh, i probably shouldn’t be pugging anyway.

My Main is a warlock. My biggest peeve in game has to be people who accept my summons, and then just stand around waiting for me to summon the rest. If you come through a summon, PLEASE summon at least one person. I can’t count how many times I’ve had to spam the raid channel looking for just one person to click… with 15 – 20 people sitting next to me in the raid, jumping and asking “what are we waiting for?” Or summoning a person several times, only to have em complain when the raid starts without em. Try getting the recount heroes to stop and summon then!

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love the blog B^3!

Mana is for healers and buffs are for bosses. I’m not gonna stop for you to wipe your blades dry every time we kill a wolf in UK. If we can’t beat the next trash pull with 34-75% mana then we can’t kill a boss with 100%. If we can’t kill the next trash pull unless you have kings and not might then our situation is for too tenuous for me to believe we should continue on to greater challenges. “Omg, the tank just charged a critter without doing a readycheck!” Get out of my group now. The blue hole to hell is back that way. Most heroics can be done in 20-30 minutes if we aren’t stopping to say prayers for the rogue to find his contact that fell out during that last pull or the hunter’s mom to stop lecturing him about the crusty socks under his bed. Heroics can be done from start to finish with 3 people (2 if your tank has high DPS or your DPS can heal while fighting). I think the 4 of us can handle a hall of trash while Johnny Branmuffin pinches a loaf. This is a fire fight not a bubble bath. Let’s go people…

Oddly enough, I hate gogo people. If I stopped, believe me, there’s a damn good reason I stopped. I will kick your butt out and demonstrate the 4 manning option discussed above.

I also do not care that the tanking gear that dropped is better than what you have on now for DPS. If this is true than it is more of an indictment of you for wearing your current gear than an endorsement for you taking mine. Maybe this post sounds upset but damn’t, that was the point right?

Lol, see you at the last boss.

All of the above drive me nuts (as a healer, especially the res thing) but the thing I can’t stand is just plain old nastiness, people putting other people down just because they’re anonymous, all the name-calling, noob l2p, u fail etc…it’s just bullying plain and simple and I absolutely detest it. One thing that did get up my nose recently was trying to do a timed CoS run with a druid healer…we wiped on the 2nd group of dragons because our healer was still downtairs skinning the group we’d just killed ^^ I don’t mind people skinning in instances but there’s a time and a place!
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Biggest pet peeve of mine would be the unprepared. While this is mainly a guild issue sort of thing, I have seen it in PUG’s as well. When I do a PUG or raid with the guild, I like to inspect people’s gear (not everyone’s just a few, and mainly the DPS), not becuase I am a gearscore snob, but because A) I have a 80 Lock and Mage, plus a up and coming DK and would like to see possible gear upgrades for them and B) to try and guage ahead of time if I should be expecting any over-zealous non omen installing RECOUNT noob aggro monkeys trying to pull threat off my fuzzy butt on purpose to stroke their ever shrinking E-PEEN (hmmm guess I came up with a second complaint as well LOL). It just annoys me to no end to open up the inspect window, start scrolling over the pretty epics this person has managed to aquire only to see EMPTY gem sockets and NO enchants. I always hear the same excuses as to why it is like that when I mention the fact: “I’m Broke” ZOMFG do some dailies and go get some green quality gems to stick in there until you can save up for that nice EPIC gem cut, SOMETHING is 100 times better than NOTHING. “No one in my guild is a JC/Enchanter or will help me out”: Hey, there’s a new invention on WoW, it’s called TRADE CHAT, try typing in it once in awhile, it actually does work occasionally. I have seen some people complain about someone using the wrong kind of gem, but to me thats just a lack of knowledge, which can be corrected, at least they have something there. Having no gem is just plain laziness, not much can be done to correct that.

It hasn’t been brought up, but it irritates me.. people who whine about repair costs.

If you can’t afford to repair, then go earn some gold already! And its worse when its a guildy, if you need for repairs just ask, don’t complain! It is easy to earn a hundred gold these days, we wipe, just form up again and repair if you need to using the bot that some kind soul put even more gold into making so you have the convenience.

People clicking ‘yes’ and then typing WAIT in raid chat right after…just click no for chrissakes.

People leaving after Koralon in VoA. It is rude to leave 20+ people without a main tank or top dps, just because YOU got a chance at the gear YOU wanted.

People that zone out in a fight and stand in fire, ignore raid warnings, etc. Focus and pay attention for the 5-10 minutes of the encounter.

Undergeared people that ’sneak’ into higher raids. Yes, we see you doing 1500 dps, below the tank, you just look like an ass down there at the bottom of everyone’s recount window. Even worse when they start offering advice after a wipe or get rude.

People that die one minute into the fight and yell out “Brez me!”, or “brez?”. Always a dps. If it was your fault, its not worth rezzing you to die again, and if it was a healer’s/tanks fault (rarely) the rez is better saved for a tank or healer unless you are absolutely needed for the encounter. Its like they go in expecting they get two lives, why bother being careful around fires and adds?
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Can’t help but dig up this old post of mine from a journal long since dead.

Etiquette to DPS’ing in a Pick-Up Group

1.) Obviously if a tank or healler is pugging they’re overgeared, so it’s alright if I’m way undergeared. I can come to the dungeon without gems, enchants, consumables, etc. . . because the tank and healler could duo the place if they needed to while giving me things like innervate and fish feasts.
2.) Tanks get bored easy. With this being a proven fact it is my job to make sure to hit mobs before they do, hit my taunt button as often as I can, use aoe moves like starfall to pull extra groups, and stand right beside them with aoe pulsing debuffs.
3.) Heallers get bored easy, this is why I’ll throw any damage reduction spell off my bar like anti-magic shell or barkskin. I will never use a potion (those get expensive!), warlock cookies will sit in my bag, as will mage food (but don’t forget to demand it, you might find it useful later when you’re questing!) Will push them to their limits by eating nova’s, standing in fire, hitting my taunt button and moving into whirlwinds.
4.) Since nobody’s dps is as leet as mine (if they’re above me on the chart it’s obviously buff fault, bad luck with polymorphs, or the class is overpowered and if I played it, I’d do -way- better.) I should always get a summon, never bring reagents, and everyone else should have a repair bot ready to drop if I need it since actually making it to a repair vendor is way too much trouble.
5.) One of the tricks to having leet dps is of course to save your energy, so make sure anything you type uses as few letters as possible. ‘you’ obviously becomes u, please obviously becomes plz or pls, but you can get creative! good can become gud, enough, can become enuf, and with all that energy saved, you have more energy to hit the taunt button!
6.) Dungeons are easy, so knowing the fights is silly, especially since with such overpowered tanks and heallers I’ll never have to move, only mash buttons.
7.) The other non-leet dps should get the adds, you obviously need all of my dps on the boss. The time and energy it takes to hit the tab button is time I could be hitting the taunt button.
8.) Leet dps don’t die unless the tank or healler screwed up, I’m in all purples, and the tank and healler pugging should obviously be better geared than me no matter what so if I die I have every right to get angry, somebody was slacking. Since I died it’s alright for me to sit here and wait for a ress, it’s the least they can do since they let me die.
9.) Loot could be gold, and gold is worth more than shards (guild enchanters should give me everything free, I mean, look at my dps) so I must greed every piece of loot at least, though needing it is better, if I can’t use it, I could sell it
10.) If anybody gets upset at me at any point in the run, or if I die at all, or if I don’t get that +1000 damage mace, it’s my -duty- to run to the nearest city, and spam how much the group sucked, specify names, and say nobody should ever group with them, ever.

My fav is when I ask is everyone ready and all say yes. I pull and only 4 of us are fighting. I guess I wasn’t clear about being ready to “FIGHT”

Fun suckers.

The guys who spam recount.
The guys who then bitch about person X’s dps being too low (yeah i know its bad too, but I’m not the RL PS avg raid dps is avg dps)
The guys who bitch about how undergeared person X is, even though they may kick ass
The guys who hate on person X who allow raids to happen at all ‘why did you invite X’ Or some other crap. ML. Put on Epic. Yeah, those things are important, but throw it in a whisper.

People who don’t summon. Ever. They sit around in dalaran. Or they continue questing. Or whatever they are doing.
People who dont run back.
People who blame the tank for dps pulling aggro
People who blame the tank for the healer drinking at 80% mana and not cathching up to the tank. Yes, i’m sorry, I guess I am supposed to hold the healers hand.
Guildies who do horrible dps and don’t do anything, zippo, to improve it.
People who just dont care (then why are here? Oh wait, to suck my fun. thanks).

I’m at the end of a long night shift and mis-read “fun suckers”…it still worked though :D
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I think my peeves have all been well covered here. Have something that irked me today, but it was a new thing entirely, so doesn’t necessarily qualify as a peeve yet.
Got into an Ony25 PuG today since my internet crapped out last night when the guild was going to do it. Lots of people trying to do the leading, without much coming from the RL in raid chat (okay, that’s a bit of a peeve, if you’re forming the group, please actually know what’s going on and be a leader). We finally get the ready check off, and I’m bounding in to piss off a dragon. We get her in the air, and gather up the whelps. So far so good, then the other 2 tanks die to go knows what. I’m running all over the place trying to collect whelps and warders, and as I’m heading towards one of the caves to collect spawning whelps, I see someone running out. WTF, deciding to go spelunking in the middle of the raid?
In the end, it seems that a couple of asshats decided to sabotage the raid for their own amusement, because there were about 60 whelps out when I finally was killed. To make it worse, the hunter in this group feigned on the wipe, and proceeds to aggro Ony while we’re rebuffing and getting ready to go again. I think that a mage and/or rogue were in on the fun too blinking in and going invis, or stealthing in and then vanishing, because we had two wipes of this sort before the raid collapsed due to mistrust and aggravation.
Okay, so hunters feigning on bosses in raids in general is a peeve. Yeah, you’re saving yourself a repair bill, but make damned sure you aren’t doing it on a boss where it’s going to cause it to bug out and create further problems.

You mentioned one of my major peaves. People who just expect a summon. Boy does that annoy me, they are sitting in dalaran with their “high and mighty attitude” just occasionally saying “summon”. I can’t help myself and have to call them out on it. I think it just shows that people have no idea what the social side of this game is all about. They have no idea that the whole point of a MMO is for a group of people to come together and help collectively to achieve a goal.

Another peave of mine is the “GOGOGOGOGO” attitude you get from DPS in pugs. I am reasonbly geared on my Paladin tank nowadays and occasionally have to take a short break for a drinky as mana can be an issue on some pulls. But i regulary get the “GOGOGOGO” or “MOVE” or WHATS THE HOLD UP OMG” from one or more of the DPS. I’m like whats the bloody rush??? The game is here to be enjoyed not to speed run through every instance as fast possible at break neck speed.

I will say though some of my most fun times have come from pugging instances. Occasionally you get lucky and grab a excellent, polite & fun group of people. And those runs turn out to be an absolute pleasure.

The “Rez me pls” or “heal me!” shouts in party or raid….if I am the healer, I know that you are dead, I saw that you died and if I had any chance of saving you, I would have.

I personally do not like the hyperactive chatty people that repeat every 30 seconds they need a certain item from a boss. Its like ok dude we heard it the first time! The damage-done-spammers who like to brag after each trash mob how high they were with damage done ( but forget to mention how mana damage they took and also made the tank have a wonderfull time with doing that). But most of all I annoy the hell out of those people who concider themselves ready to do a heroic or raid while they are serious blind folded and cant see they need to gear up first. And those people never concider that it is them who made the group wipe, but it is always the healers fault. Ah well the longer I think the more things pop in my mind that can annoy me, think this was my top 3 :P

People not reading the patch notes that have been out for half a year.

I apologize if someone else already mentioned it but I’d like to add:

People who sign up for the most-recently released raid without:
a) bothering to research the fight at all
b) bringing any food
c) flasking
d) being ready to wipe

I know people will cite “farm content” as reason not to use consumables, but if it is the newest raid (e.g. ToC or Onyxia) it is reasonable to assume it isn’t on farm yet. And, with the possible exception of Onyxia, it is reasonable to assume that if it is a newly-released raid, you don’t know the fights. Read up.

But the thing that frustrates me the most is going into exciting new content, wiping, revising strategy, trying again (and getting further), wiping, revising strategy, and having people bail because “this is taking to long” or “I can’t afford all these wipes”. 2 wipes and your broke? You didn’t even drink a flask. You can’t be bothered to fish/farm your own food? Why on earth did you sign up for a progression raid?

Which brings me to these two handy macros I found on WowWiki:

List raid members without a food buff:

/run nfb=”[Eat!]: “;for i=1,GetNumRaidMembers()do for b=1,40 do ua=UnitAura(’raid’..i,b);if ua==”Well Fed”or ua==”Food”then break;elseif b==40 and ua~=”Well Fed”then nfb=nfb..UnitName(’raid’..i)..” “;end;end;end;SendChatMessage(nfb,”raid”);

List raid members without a flask buff:

/run nf=”[Flask!]: “;for i=1,GetNumRaidMembers()do for b=1,41 do ufl=UnitAura(’raid’..i,b);if ufl then if strfind(ufl,”Flask”)then break;end;elseif b==41 then nf=nf..UnitName(’raid’..i)..” “;end;end;end;SendChatMessage(nfb,”raid”);

There are also versions of these macros that just list the slackers in your own chat window (rather than spamming raid) at http://www.wowwiki.com/Useful_macros.

I only use these on attempts at new content because, as I outlined above, there is no excuse for volunteering to try new content without actually being prepared.

Time to vent some PUG fury. When I was tanking on my Belfadin in Wailing Caverns, not a hard instance, just a long one. Was boosting a friend through it and another guy was standing outside the instance and asked if he could come. I said sure as it was just going to be a quick boost run. We were clearing the first chamber and just got to the bridge going across to where Anacondra had spawned. However, this guy proceeded to try and pull every mob with his DoTs and Voidwalker rather than let me pick up stuff. After he’d done this a few times I just left the mobs alone, he died and didn’t come back. We finished the instance. During TBC instances I was playing my Priest and was a healer for groups. We did one run of Shadow Labs and were happily going through the instance. However, we had one over zealous guy, I can’t even remember what class he was but every thing we CC’d a mob he’d head right for it like it was his own personal DPS target. After a few pulls of him doing this I said in party that if he broke CC again I’d just not heal him… things went a lot better after that. I have memories of Violet Hold on my Shaman. We were there going through the groups up to the first boss when the Hunter declares he has to go for dinner and logs out…. we’d only been in there for a couple minutes….seriously, how hard is it to NOT start an instance when you know you’re going to need to go eat and won’t be returning before we finish. And my final one, I was on the Shaman again trying to get a PUG for I can’t remember where. I get a whisper from a DK and join the group, there is just me and him in there, he gives me leader and then goes AFK…. not a word passed between us to ask if I minded recruiting the rest of the group.
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Ok so, I’m told by the warlocks in my guild that life tap, when glyphed or something, increases your spellpower for a short duration. So as I understand it, tapping it once before a pull will give you a nice little burst of damage at the start of the fight.

So you’re going to reduce your health pool…..

…. and then cause a lot of threat in initial stages of a pull.

……. and then die.

………. and then bitch at the tank/healer for not holding aggro/keeping you alive.

*facepalm*

The best kind of DPS out there are the ones that understand threat mechanics, like our resident rogue who has died to many times that you can now actually see her counting to four before she jumps in with a blade flurry + killing spree on a trash pack. She learnt the hard way I guess, but she hardly dies anymore.

(Oh and for the record, Rank1 Life Tap triggers exactly the same spellpower bonus and reduces your HP a negligable amount. Use it. Your healers will thank you.)

I also can’t STAND when a tank runs and pulls Emalon trash while people are still looting Koralon. I do VoA 10 and 25 on both my healers and I tell ya, by that point we’ve usually hardly had the chance to mana up again yet. Besides that, we may be the one doing the master looting, or we might wanna stick around for a second to roll on something. If you go pull, without noticing there’s no healers behind you, and you die, it’s your own stupid fault.
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Top 3, in order of most hated:

1) Recount whores.
Seriously. Your DPS and gear are just numbers. Show me some skill if you want to impress me. Chain trap something. Save a healer. Friggin DO something. Stop compensating for your lack of genitalia with a bunch of numbers.

These guys also tend to be aggro whores, and proud of it. Honestly, I am NOT impressed by your ability to pull aggro off of the tank. Really. Ask any tank, it takes far less skill than you think.

2) GOGOGOG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The guy who is “OMG HAF 2 LIEV IN LIEK 5 MINITS!!!!!!!” but still joins a group for an instance. Usually I either tell them to cut it out from the start or go find another group, and boot them the second time they do it if they’re really annoying. I hate being chased through an instance by some bunny-hopping, ADHD moron jumped up on too much sugar. If you don’t have the requisite time or patience to do the instance don’t sign up.

3) People who use ‘u’,'ur’ and ‘plz’
It’s annoying, it shows a sloppy attitude and means you’re probably 14 or under. I don’t need to put up with ‘u’. ‘Bai!’

The rest:
Yeah, I hate the guys who will aggro mobs in an instance because they’re so focused on getting to that chest and opening it before anyone else. Or the guy who refuses to find out how his class works and also won’t take advice because “OMG U CAN’T TELL ME HOW 2 PLA!!!!!” Hate the guy who says he knows the fight when you ask if anyone needs it explained, but clearly doesn’t. Dislike people and groups that cannot understand the concept of ‘assist’ or why it’s important. People, use your damned ‘F’ key.

@Pyewacket

I had an experience almost exactly like yours. I can totally sympathise. I’ve since learned never to play with real life friends. People on the other side of the net that are idiots and jerks I can ignore. I can’t ignore people I see every weekend.

The advice on the loading screen “Bring your friends to Azeroth” don’t follow it. It’s bad. Bad advice. You will almost always regret it. Meet people in game that are cool and make them into Real Life(tm) friends, but not the other way around.

I suppose the most annoying thing for me on any PUG is when people don’t have patience. They expect you to be an expert in your class, the instance and the specific strategy required for each boss. Hands up people who claim to be all 3 for every instance they’ve PUG’ed?

This manifests itself in a lack of tolerance for mistakes – which, if we’re all honest, we all make. It also manifests itself in the inability to try to coach people into doing better. Note the word ‘coach’, because the specific type of person I’m thinking of is quick to criticize and make statements that will offend the person they’re aimed at, but slow to try to help them in a nice way to correct it.

On the other hand, I’ve met some really great people, who have helped new tanks, new healers and new DPS’ers learn their craft without complaining about the repair bills that come with the inevitable wipes. These are the same people that when you say ’sorry, I’m still learning’, they say ‘that’s fine, we all started at the beginning’. Its those people that make WoW the game that I love.

Army of the dead!!!!!!! oh i hate that abilty dk’s seem to only use it on bosses that have frontal cone ablitys ingvar and the dragon form vh .
Seriously stop using it !!!!!

I’v got one from the RL side of the screen, so it does not realy qualify for this post, BUT it is very annoing. When you are in guild that recuires a minnimum raid attendance of 50%, that translates to 2 nights a week for me, that is somewhat simmilar to having joined a sports club (be it basketball, hocky or martial arts) then you have an obligation to turn up for traing/raiding, but somehow people(family, parents, girlfriend/boyfriend) around you does not acknowlege that so they keep desturbing you trying to get you to drop playing that evening. They would never do that if you said you were going to practice with your soccerteam or any other obligation as long as it is not 24-7 you are doing these things.

My in game peeves is people that dont kill my priority target even when marked and then complain about getting agro/killed, especialy when they claim that they are just aoe’ing and their dps is around 2k. If they only do 2k dps when aoe’ing then there is no way your blue geared ass can pull agro from me when I keep my swipe on constant CD.

Haven’t seen this one in awhile, mainly because I’ve stopped pugging but when the DPS decides they should pull instead of the tank.

The one thing i can’t stand is the leecher.I am part of a casual guild,filled with a few really good players and a bunch of socials.I have come to terms with the fact that some of them will never reach the maximum of their dps,they will die from the same fire over and over again.I am okay with that.The guy that does all that and has a full epic gear without enchants and gems, i can’t stand him.The guy that whenever a 10 man is forming for anything he is the first to ask for an invite,yet his gear is mess.

-Hunters who don’t bring ammo. That one just makes my head explode a lil bit. When you whole job is to shoot at stuff, you’d think you bring ammo….to shoot it with!! (related favorite: “Crap my bow broke”)

-The enchanter who needs on every green, because he NEEDS them, for enchanting.

-And his best friend. “Guys I need (BoE epic), ok?” Group leader: “Dude, it’s BoE, we all roll on it” Guy: “No, you see, I NEED it” I just saw this in a Direbrew run. The guy NEEDED the Tankard O’ Terror for dual wielding and he would appreciate it if we didn’t roll on it, thx.

-Taking a summon to heal dungeon X, the one I put myself in lfg for, while the group quietly switches it out for dungeon Y as if I wouldn’t notice. I am most likely saved to dungeon Y.

-Low level characters who beg you for runs in broken 133t speak and, when politely told that you are busy with the thing you make up on the spot, they beg and beg and beg and finally start cursing you for being such a horrible, if polite, person for not running them, a total stranger, through VC until they leveled.

People who show up and insist on blowing everything doing like 7k DPS on some easy boss, typically killing themsleves in the process because the tank can’t hold aggro off of ‘em.

It’s a heroic, not hard-mode-whatever x_x
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(I haven’t read the replies yet, don’t want to sway nor change my answer)
As a tank, the dps who say “GO, GO, GO” constantly. I’m watching my healer’s mana as he/she sits & drinks, then I hit bear form for rage, perhaps enrage (and wait for the armour debuff to wear off). I know when I want to pull, I know if that pat is coming around the corner. I don’t want to be told when to pull by anyone except a mentor in a new instance.

Leading on from that, the dps who think they’ve waited too long, so pull anyway. Case in point a shammy in H ToC5. 5k dps for the run, but they pulled a mob of 3 in the 2nd part. I grabbed just enough agro to out-threat the healer, the dps died, we continued.

The DE ninja. They say they’ll de the drops, greed everything then leave the party at the end of the run. I have spoken to the GL of one of these. The ninja was on trial with one of the top 3 guilds on the server (a few of my ex-guildies were in that guild too). Hope the 20-50g he made off that run was worth not end-raiding, as he was in a different guild next time I saw him on-line.

From a healy Priest’s point of view: the over-confident tank. “Ha Ha Ha, we’re creaming this, lets pull the whole room” mentality. That is fine if you know everyone is cruising (or you know everyone & just do it for a laugh on vent), but if the healer is JUST keeping you up, using all their cooldowns, not such a great idea to step it up by a factor of 10.
Alternate over-confidence: Warrior tank in H CoS, using charge from one zombie to the next in order to get to the other side of the map where the next mob spawned… Um, Hello! Healer back here running as fast as I can. “Please don’t get out of range” “Ha Ha, no worries I’m using my cd’s”. By the time I get to him, he’s at 1/2 health or less, I spam everything, keep him up. Popping mana potions the whole instance. Off he goes again to the other end. I catch up, have no cd’s, he dies. We survive (dps pally tanking), rez the tank, sit to drink, and he’s gone as I sit down… H CoS is not rocket surgery, stick together, get the extra boss.

Yes, I have put these in order of hate. “Normal” ninjas, gold sellers, low level hangers on who you helped once & think you are their slave for life, people who swear in vent; all these are lower on my agro table. The “gogogo” dps just irks me THAT much. (is that irrational?)

A guildie died on ignis and our druid attempted to battle rez him. He didn’t accept (so battle rez now on cooldown for no reason) and come to find out he went to Wendy’s to pick up dinner only to return 20 minutes later! WTF, why do you leave to get food in the middle of an instance.

Or last Friday a different guildie signs on for Ony 10 for which we have too many so other players have to sit out. He if afk for 2 fights because he is in class and has the nerve to feel butt hurt because we chastised him and were going to replace him. Other folks were available and would have been there 100%.

I am an engineer and I will not be pulling out Jeeves for you after the first fight because you did not repair dumbass.

People asking my shammy to heal when she is clearly enhancement (level 80). Take a sec to look at my spec before you ask me to heal people.

If you were the only one to die, I am not putting out another fish feast just for you, bring your own damn food for those times.

If you dare to put out a train in the middle of Hodir, you will be /gkicked. I don’t care if 1/2 of us have a train wrecker, buh bye. As a matter of fact, just stop even joking of putting the train out.

I’m right with you on the pet peeve about people who expect summons. I don’t know what it is about that one particular thing, but it drives me up the wall. Especially since, on my server, the Alliance is severely outnumbered by the Horde so that during peak hours it’s almost impossible to use a summoning stone.

Just this very morning I joined a group for direbrew and no one had the remote. One guy actually joined the group from WSG, and continued to play it until he finally received a summon.

If I had been the leader I would’ve kicked him for being so rude.

- People who beg for buffs when we’ve just pulled the boss/are about to pull boss. This especially gets me when the guy spams for the buff. We get that you want it, so shut up about it and let the person get to it when they can!!! (It also irritates me even more when the person doesn’t say thanks for it afterwords.)

- The huntard who’s pet can never seem to stay alive. I was in a Mara group awhile back and the huntard’s pet was rarely alive and when was, was left on aggressive.

And this is more of a mage personal thing, but I get irritated when I offer up my conjurables, get no response, and then get begged for them right when we’re ready to go. If you want them, give me a head’s up when I ask who wants them and save me my time and ever dwindling patience.

I also dislike people who leave pugs after the first wipe, even though you got the boss down to 3%. “OMFG, we’ll never get it… *leave party* *hearth*” Koralon cry babies, ftw!

i’m getting a little annoyed these days now that heroics are getting easier. see, too many dps seem to forget about some basic things like “wait for the tank to pull” and “don’t run up to loose mobs” such. nexus run a few days ago, and this one hunter was always shooting before i would charge, throw my sword, etc to start the fight. really annoying. likewise, that portal in VH where the mobs split? i’d think by now that people would realise that it might be good to let, you know, the tank pick them up before going all out.

oh, and then there was the healer who face pulled in VH. i mean, c’mon! facepulling as a healer? i mean, if you were melee dps and eager to start damage, i can understand it a little, but as a healer that is an epic fail of group position awareness.

i also get annoyed at the “I can tank too!” folks, usually dk and ferals (sorry BBB), no doubt conditioned from soloing stuff who, instead of acting like a dps should and letting the tank tank stuff and focus on dealing, decide that they want to tank XYZ mob continue to try to tank it after the real tank taunts it off (i’ve even seen feral kitties who have switched to bear taunt stuff back)… this usually happens when someone isn’t following a kill order. and lest you say “well, you must be a crappy tank to loose aggro,” i have no problem keeping threat against good dps. wearing lvl200 blue chest/shoulders/helm (since upgraded), i have no problems in heroics whatsoever. the 4k fury warrior in culling? np. makes me stay alert and not just tclap/cleave mindlessly, but no real problem. the almost 2k hunter who doesn’t know how the *blank* to play? he can be a problem, even in the same run as a 3k shadow priest…

Forgot one from earlier…. When I use LFG and clearly say I am DPS and even give a spec (Elemental) and you whisper me if I can heal… OK, this was before Dual Spec came out but it was still annoying as hell.
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I tank on my druid and my fiance heals on her pally.
This just irritates me when pugs do it, but when guildies do it, guildies that know that the healer and tank are in the same room and can communicate with each other without typing it pisses me off royally:

Let the TANK pull!

If you’re dps, your job is to kill the mobs on the tank.
If you are a hunter who has misdirect and has worked out beforehand with the tank that you are to pull to him based on some sort of arranged go-signal, that’s great. If you are some asshat who thinks that the tank is pulling too slowly (I’m no slouch btw, I usually chain my way through instances) it’s not your job to go get the mobs and bring them back and/or die in the process whining at the healer to res/heal you because you were stupid.
I can make my way through an instance in almost record time because of the ease of communication with my healer. I usually (sometimes I forget to) communicate this to the group as we are forming. So that means, if I stop pulling, it’s for a reason. I may be waiting for the healer to get some mana, she may have dropped her mouse, I might be leaning over and high-fiving her because of the awesome healing she did on that last pull where someone was standing too close to the edge of the platform and aggroed another group which brought a patrol with it and somehow miraculously (usually due to her healing) we survived.
Regardless of why I stopped, I’ve stopped. So sit tight for the next 5-10 seconds and the amazing chain-pulling madness will begin shortly as the Feral choo choo pulls outta the station again.
/rant off

I hate the fact that a new recruit in the guild demands gear and a raiding spot. I hate when you get the asshat tank who stands in fire, slime, poison and then blames the dps and the heals. Then says I havnt tanked in a long time. Why am i not surprised that on my server the sudden increase to asshats is a result of a bunch of obnoxious children who switched to Horde. Worse yet they are now in my guild and I have to mute them so i dont blow a fuse.

Cheers

Alt

Was healing on my Holy Priest in a ToC5 group with 1 Unholy DK, 1 Fury Warrior, 1 Tankadin and a Warlock. Everyone was geared up with T9 or Conquest gear so I was psyched that this would be a fast and easy run. It was taking forever to down the trash and the first bosses and the Fury warrior kept pulling agro and dying to the Bladestorm and the poison on the 3 bosses (it was mage, warrior, rogue). Finally I inspect him and he had switched over to his tank spec. I called it out and he said he was tired of dying. Eventually we talked him into switching back to DPS spec but that whole instance took forever and we had multiple wipes because the DPS was almost at the level of the tankadin.

@ Suxxy – with an over-confident tank, I feel your pain. But with a correctly confident tank, it keeps things fun. Did UK hc the other night with a well geared guild group, the tank was a guild initiate who basically chain-pulled the entire place two groups at a time. He did Line of Sight me a few times and cause some stress, but from a slow start (seeing as we didn’t really know each other) I thought he judged the tempo really well.

@ all the recount mentions – I’m feeling slightly embarrassed now. After a guild run of AN hc last night I did post a damage meter – after apologising first. But in my defense I don’t usually dps so it was a nice change for me – and I did do 50% more damage than the next highest person :)

A couple of personal peeves – both really just plain rudeness -

First example – tanking AN normal on my level 73 tank, with everyone else level 71. I could once tank well, but these days I suck, mostly just really badly out of practice but also I was stuck in a “prot grinding” mindset. Did the DPS adjust to compensate or offer constructive criticism? No – just a group disband after the second wipe, followed by some unpleasant whispers.

Second example, from a Kara raid (back when it was current) – won’t go into details, but after a wipe which was partially caused by me making a misjudgement but was also down to group setup and a few other things, I got a whisper from the MT / RL saying something like “why did you deliberately wipe the raid?”. I know raid leading is stressful, but it’s not always a reason to forget there’s another person behind the character. Closest I’ve ever come to /leave raid /gquit /logout.

The ones that piss me off the most are the ones that get into a group and insist on running through it.

One example: My son and I were playing our mid 30s characters and wanted to run Scarlet Monastery for a couple items. We didn’t have any guild mates near that level and really wanted to run it with a group the right level, so we pugged. One of the guys that we got was a hunter (unfortunately most of the real asshats turn out to be hunters) that was constantly complaining when we would pause for the healer to get mana or even for the mage to get mana when evocate was on CD. We hadn’t even gotten 10 minutes in and he started pulling as soon as the last mob died from the pull before, and once even before then.

I was the tank and group leader and when I told him to stop, he said “Then pull faster.” I told him that if he did it again he’d be gone. He immediately did it again and I booted him from the group. As always in these situations, he started swearing at us and then pulled the entire next room and timed it so they were at our feet when he was yanked out of the instance. He then started whispering us telling everyone to drop group and go with him. Everyone put him on ignore and we then 4-manned the rest of the instance with ease.

Just last week I had a rogue do almost the same thing in a heroic pug (with the same paladin, now 80) and my son was there for that as well. Again, when booted for pulling when no one was ready, he called me horrid names and pulled mobs, only to vanish at out feet.

If I may add another that I just thought of…

My main is a Resto Shaman, and it always annoys me when people call out for heals as soon as they get hit, or ask for a rez immediately after they die. I have raid frames and I never take my eyes off them. I know you took damage, and I will heal you. This kind of behaviour is exactly the same as me constantly telling a mage to dps, which is of course ridiculous. Two examples:

1) Ulduar PuG last week, fighting Ignis. A DK gets put in the pot and starts yelling over vent “Heal me! Heal me! Big heals on me! Heal me like a mother &@#$er!” over and over again. It didn’t take long for the raid leader to tell him to shut up, but it was still annoying.

2) H AN PuG. First pull, tank pulls a mob and a clothie attacks a different one, getting aggro. He gets hit, yells for heals, but is dead before I can do anything. The very instant he died, while we’re still in combat, he demands that I rez him. I mean, not only do Shamans not have a battle rez, why would we waste one on a random trash pull?

The tank who keeps pulling even when the healer is basically OOM and asked for a sec to be able to drink. Even more entertaining after a pull where the healer has died and just been rezed. No health…no mana….No Problem! Let’s go pull the boss!

PUGs, O’ PUGs…

I enter LFG for 10M Trials, and after a few minutes get a /w asking what my GearScore is and if I know the fights. I reply with my numbers and a ‘Yes’ and get the invite. There are only 4 others in the group at this time, but we have 2 healers already and 2 tanks, so we should be able to load up the rest quickly. After about 40 minutes I finally ask what the heck is taking so long to gather a Shaman and 5 DPS and get a response that he cannot find people that are well geared enough (looking for 4400+ GearScores). I tell him if he doesn’t fill up the raid in the next 5 minutes I am out.

He gets it done.

We buff up, do the quick recap for strat on Northrend Beasts and get the party started 1 hour and 10 minutes after I was invited. No worries we have started and everything looks to roll on through. We start the encounter and with Gormok at about 18% the OT DC’s and can’t taunt him off and the MT goes down. Not a big deal. I call the wipe (as no one else is saying anything and we have no tanks), and the OT says in vent that he is almost reconnected.

The RL that started the whole thing, leaves the group. No message, no vent response, no nuthin’! The OT reconnects, I grab another DPS from the rank and file to fill in and we proceed to one shot our way to the Twins and call it off as people are needing to go.

Now here is the /really/ fun part. I look back at the RL and find his GearScore was only 3554! Remember he was looking for 4400+ and admant that you KNOW the fights! Gah! AND he nerdraged and dropped the group on a wipe that was uncontrollable after wasting 1+ hour getting a group together that he was selectively coordinating!

And the extra icing on the cake? I put myself back into LFG for VoA 10/25 and Ulduar 10 and who do I get a /w from? The RL asking if what my GearScore is and if I know all of the fights to Trials 10M?!?! Needless to say, I did not respond…

To sum up my super special group behaviors?
1) Relying on GEarScore for skill measurement
2) Not trusting someone who says they have done the fights in an instance, because their GS is low
3) Wasting everyone’s time by getting a group together and then dropping as soon as anything goes wrong (real or imagined)
4) Not paying enough attention to what you are doing to drop/kick/otherwise force someone from a group, and then later send a /w to them for help

Lana

They show up in almost every battleground: “OMFG you #%@((s are a bunch of losers! y cnt u kill?!!! y do u die?!!!!” Which is especially annoying when we’re actually winning the match.

Yeah, buddy, whatever. Maybe you are the only one that knows the “right” way to win this. But I doubt it.

I guess, in general, people who assume that if you are not them, then you are a moron. You need their input or you will do it wrong. I mean, I don’t mind advice. Advice can be constructive. But telling someone, “you’re doing it wrong, let me tell you how . . .” is rude. And you’re not always as smart as you think you are.

PuGging some BC instance on my DK tank. I don’t remember the details . . . one of the Auchindoun instances, four of us were in the mid-60s range. A level 70 mage joined us. A couple fights into it he tells me, “You need to use Death and Decay every pull.”

“No I don’t.”

“Okay, whatever, I’ve just got a level 80 DK I raid with on another server. I guess I don’t know what I’m talking about.” Then he proceeded to try and pull aggro off me every fight. Just to prove I needed DnD, I guess. As if it’s hard for 70 dps to pull aggro off a tank 4-5 levels lower than them.

Look, I don’t know about you and your DK on another server. But I do know tanking with my Frost specced DK . . . well sure DnD is some awesome threat generation. It’s also a rune-hog. Give me a second to establish aggro at the beginning of the fight. Let me take a couple swings (you know, like good dps should) and if Killing Machine procs I can spike some awesome initial threat, even better than DnD, with a Howling Blast crit. And it will be more rune efficient, let me slide right into a nice rotation more easily. If KM doesn’t proc, well then I’ll drop DnD.

Re: ungemmed, unenchanted gear.

SOMETHING is 100 times better than NOTHING

I totally agree. It is better. Mathematically speaking, though, something is infinitely better than nothing. :)

Offtanks taunting off you, offtanks with ego problems, offtanks screaming “Taunt! Taunt!” over Vent. Backseat gamers. Oh, wait, you said PuGs? :P

Melee DPS who DPS from the front. I parry enough for myself, thank you very much, I don’t want yours too.
DPS who stand in fire then complain about not getting heals.
People who are always trying to bring in undergeared alts expecting to be carried.

Here’s another. I was asked to heal for a group doing the daily heroic Old Kingdom. I told them I didn’t have a lot of time so probably shouldnt join the group. They said they are “leet DPS” (which should have been my first clue). I join group and see that all of them are guildless (which might have been my second clue). There is no tank so I ask if one is coming. Then the mage says “my daddy is coming to tank”. Then after many “lols” and “whos your daddy” jokes they then start arguing and boasting about who is oldest and how soon each would turn “16 yrs old” (turns out they were all 15 or younger). As my tripidation increases, I get to the stone and see a lot of horde are there getting reading to do the daily as well. Since I’m on a PVE server its not a big deal. The rest of the group, except for the tank who hasn’t logged in yet, decide they are gonna have an epic battle and proceed to flag themselves and repeatedly get slaughtered by the overwhelming horde numbers. I ask when the run is going to start and the only reply I get is “we need heals!!!” I politely inform them that I joined group to heal the instance and not PvP and since there was no tank and no word on when this run would start, I would not have the time to heal it anymore. I left group and hearthed back to Dalaran and simultaneously added each of them to my “Ignore” list due to the multitude of hate whispers I was receiving.

So many examples already of my pet:

Playing with the selfish.

My classic example (story’s been told before) was the warrior who asked my healpriest to join he and a friend as we cleaned up an area. I agreed. He put loot on f4a, then he and his bud looted as soon as they killed – and they were rolling as I spammed a variety of heals to keep them up. About the eighth or so kill I ran forward to get some of the loot myself, and was yelled at. “You’re not killing, you’re not contributing, you don’t get loot.” I unjoined, they started dying, ’nuff said.

But so many examples above are all cases of “me first” (and often “me only”). They’re all my pet peeve.

I truly hate playing with the selfish.

I can’t stand people who forget that WoW is a MULTI player game. They treat everyone else in the raid/heroic like we are all just there to help them get what they want, and we don’t deserve the basics of courtesy or respect. My friends and I generally refer to these type of people as playing a single-player game. The rest of us are just not real to them.

Recent Example:
In TOC25, and one druid needs a rez after every single wipe. This druid is also afk for every single ready check. She also was totally bossy about telling everyone else how they were “Doing it Wrong” (TM), when her healing numbers were not all that great. I could have ignored the bossyness if we hadn’t wasted one third of the raid time waiting for her to get back to her keyboard.

Older Example:
In a guild I used to be in the main warrior tank was not great. He was ok at holding aggro, but only on single targets. He also had a terrible habit if asking the alchemists to make him potions and flasks just as the raid was supposed to be starting. This was shortly after we had all hit 80, and the alchs didn’t have that many mats. However, he couldn’t be bothered to supply stuff, the items on the AH were too expensive or he didn’t have a hearth up to go get mats right then. Um, hello planning?

But my least favorite behavior ever is when someone feels like they deserve something. They have put in so much time or effort or who-knows-what and so they deserve things.

Recent Example:
A guild I was in fell apart because one of the officers brought his 3rd alt, a DK, to ULD25. When the lovely axe dropped from Ignis he and another alt DK got into a fight over who would get it. The officer was clearly in the wrong and had been afk when the loot rules were laid out. But he still behaved like a 4 year old who was told he can’t have another piece of candy. I was so embarassed.
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Each class in WoW is a combination of a direct skills (heal/damage/build threat) and utility skills. When somebody cannot properly use the former, I just don’r care. Doing 1k dps in a Heroic as a DK is something beyond my understanding, I let it go. (Yes, I’m sure he wasn’t watching TV — except his face, maybe, was put on the keyboard.)

When somebody doesn’t know or care about his utility skills, it makes me mad. Silent, but very mad. Hunter that is too busy pewpewing and forgets about Misdirect. Rogues (!) who dies drawing aggro. I mean, rogues. What the hell.

What makes me wanna bash my head against a wall, is when somebody doesn’t know another class, but just won’t shut up about “l2play”. Yes, there is a cooldown on MD and ToTT, build your own threat! No, warlock cannot summon people alone, bring your ass to the dungeon. Yes, Disc priest will leave if you command him to raid heal. No, druids cannot take magic debuffs off you! No, hunters don’t need dodge on their gear more than tanks!!

If you can’t play your class, no cookies for you. If you are too arrogant to let others play the best they can, you go far and dreadfully away. And stay there for a really long time.

I have only been playing since TBC came out. I have a pally healer, geared pretty well, but I was tired of healing. So one day I come across this BBB guys blog and I roll a druid…tank and thunder chicken.
My main peeve is that I am starting heroics and begin pugging a lot of groups. I do H UK a couple of days ago. The healer is a geared holy pally, DPS is mage, DK, pally tank and me in thunder chicken form. We get to the last boss and that great epic spell ring drops and I am like GREAT!, so I need roll. The holy pally (remember geared from Ulduar) also rolled needed on the ring…and he won! Then….he disenchants it right there for the shard. I said what the hell, that would have really helped me…he kicks me from the group and then whispers me saying I am such a dick for complaining. I was pissed.

What really gets to me is when people get into a group, get to the instance (one way or another), start the instance… and begin unloading about their awesomeness. Really… when it’s a guildie, I like to hear about the progress they made, the piece of gear they got, etc. because I do care and I’m happy for them (and most of my guildies are really decent players). When it’s a pug I will never likely see again…

I don’t care this is your 5th alt and this is why your DPS sucks, and that your main cleared all current content. If you group with me, please don’t expect me to carry your alt in greens through heroics. I really don’t care how good your main is… Make sure your alt is geared (at least somewhat!!!) for the content you are attemping to do. I don’t mean ilevel 245 epics, I mean please no FULL greens. Or if you are in greens doing 1k DPS at lvl 80, please be humble and don’t give me attitude. You are NOT all that and a bag of chips.

Oh, also the “ya I know this fight, it’s just that I’ve been so busy raiding ToTC on my main that I forgot what the boss does in H UKeep” is NOT a valid excuse for completely failing in the instance.

That’s my biggest pet peeve… People flexing their e-peens… Wait, can one even flex it? Don’t think there is any muscle in there…

Amen Jack! I wasn’t going to comment, but the “you all suck” battleground bitching drives me nuts! It’s the only repeated behaviour that really turns me off to an entire aspect of the game. Especially since it is always done by someone contributing nothing to the cause, and in language more appropriate for a drilling rig thatn a game played by people of all ages. ‘Cause bitching, blaming and complaining always helps. That’s just good leadership, you know.

The other bad behaviour I see tend to be random. Like a healer who stood and watched me die because one of the DPS whispered him sayng he was going AFK. Irritating, but not something done all the time.

Idiots that don’t know what they are doing, but think they are the kings of WoW. Most recent, tanking 25 VoA, the new boss, we wipe, because, well, just because. We’re in a pug, I expect to wipe at the new boss. One of the DPS (lowest on the meters) voices the tanks shouldn’t stand in the fire. Guess what, we weren’t. There wasn’t even a fire patch down before we wiped (yes it went quick). Of course I say we didn’t stand in a patch, but guess what, yeah right. Of course you were, I’ve seen it comes back. lol, I don’t need that.

Going afk either announced or unannounced, This used to be chronic in naxx pug runs. You have good dps, you have not wiped. So why has it taken 4-5-6 hour to get to KT , 1-3 hours of people going afk, Fish feasts has been bugging me lately as well, I like fishing. my like of fishing averages out to about 10 fish feasts a week and I will happily drop them if needed. so why am I allways running out? Because after dropping a fish feast for a pug faction champions, killing them with 2 deaths we have some guy tick not ready for the next fight. “I need a Fish Feast”, their are 8 people who still have 50 mins on the last feast. why does he NEED a feast.

I tend to tank the heroic daily (at a minimum) with the same group every day. It’s become the chain pull, agro happy speed run that just causes bad habits. We don’t care if we wipe, we screw around and try to see how many we can pull etc. I also encourage the dps to play as aggressively and irresponsibly as they can. (Pull agro, AOE, attack random targets) I consider it good practice for tanking 25mans and turning someone’s costly “oops” into something we can recover from. While dying in easy heroics is common, it’s also a great deal of fun.

When I pug into a group or run with a different group of guildies as dps, I back it down some. But I still practice holding my threat close to the tanks while still throwing everything I can. I DO screw up and die, sometimes multiple times per instance.

What gets on my nerves is the whispers from the healers apologizing that they ‘let me down’ and ‘couldn’t keep me alive’. It seems to me there are too many people starting to take the stereotypical spazzy puggie seriously.

If DPS screws up a little, the tank MIGHT be able to get control back fast enough to save them or a talented healer MIGHT be able to heal them thru it. But if a DPS screws up badly enough, they WILL die … usually in less than a global cooldown. As a warlock I’ve seeded large pulls WAY too early, pulled agro on every mob, died and had a /w argument with the pug healer that it really was my fault and there was nothing they could have done about it.

It’s bad enough that some people pile their mistakes on tanks or healers, but it’s downright criminal that some healers are starting to believe it.

The Recount arsehats

I frequently MT our guild runs and it make me laugh how much the dps folks HAVE to see their name in lights.

So i made a macro:

DPS Recount:
DPS— A lot
Tanks–some
Healers–hardly any at all

If we get constant requests for recount…BAM

Not sure if it has an effect or gets the idea across…but it makes me feel better

Warlocks that are to busy watching their big numbers fly by and timing the cooldowns with minmum down time to notice they should probably life tap once or twice since they have <50% mana left.
Especially if I'v already given them a rejuvenation for them to use as mana and it ticks out without them lifetapping a single time while it's active (normaly just as they hit "not enough mana"),
And once they do they just lifetap themselves back to full mana in one go without any consideration for the healer what so ever.

Hi guys,

FYI – found this website from TNB which complies a few stories of bad behaviour – http://www.madcowchronicles.net/rage/

Tanking VOA (Emalon) on my bear, the pallie charged in as I did the /readycheck and a certain dps NUKED Emalon hard and the rest of them followed. We wiped because my taunt missed and bear charging lacerate-maul was not enough to get Emalon’s attention. By the time I did challenging roar and got him to position we lost enough dps to make the raid suck.

The lock-tard who was responsible was blaming my bad tanking and agro management. I quite dislike players who care more about their E-peen / Recount position rather than the whole raid progressing. (same Lock also AOE’d the adds when trying to kill the enraged minion)

Another problematic thing for me is when pug-fighting that big bad doggie, the raid refuses to get a ret pallie out of the 3 on raid dps to help me kite on my hunter. Hunters can distract shot, frost trap, snake trap and kite as much as we can. A ret pallie with Devo aura, Blessing of Sanct and Righteous fury on, spamming holy wrath on the masses of zombies? DUDE can certainly get more zombie’s attention. Why do they keep dpsing Gluth instead of helping the poor resto shammie and hunter kiting?

Well, I have loved your post bbb!! All da best matey

“Yeah, my DPS/healing/tanking is bad. Carry me.”

And I have had people literally say that to me. Even a guildy at one point. She wound being referred to as “The person whose only use in a raid is keeping us from getting less is more.”

I’ve seen numerous things before and I’ve seen enough that I like to think I can tolerate people who simply don’t know what to do. We were all in this position at some point; more often than not all it takes is a suggestion or quietly pointing it out to them when you have the time. Consumables can be iffy; if you don’t know an alchemist they can be expensive to buy off the AH for every Heroic you run. Most of my experience comes from Heroics admittedly; more often than not there’s really no point to bringing flasks to every Heroic you run, especially if you go on a spree of three Heroics or so in a day. Sometimes it makes sense to just summon somebody instead of having them come up to the Argent Tournament Grounds from Wetlands where they were grinding Loremaster, that’s what the meeting stone is there for. People who don’t run back during a wipe can make me grit my teeth a little, but normally just asking them to run back works well enough.

Not knowing aspects of the game is a problem that’s simple to fix for anyone willing to take the time to do it. People with a rude attitude, who make caustic remarks or explode on other group members are a problem you can’t fix. I’ve seen far, far too many instance runs and raids degenerate into the “Blame Game” and nothing gets done as people spout profanity back and forth at eachother. This accomplishes absolutely nothing, and helps absolutely no one in the long run. It’s a trait and an instance pet peeve that can happen in Tanks, Healers or DPS just as easily and can kill an otherwise productive raid much faster than someone being undergeared or not understanding something.

There’s numerous variations on this of course: The raid leader who only asks “What can you do for me?” when it’s supposed to be a group effort – I remember a raid leader who refused to have someone come to Naxxramas who was acceptably geared, a smart mage and had done the research, just because she hadn’t been in the instance before and he thought she’d slow him down with pointless explaining. How is that person ever going to get into Naxxramas in the first place if not being there before disqualifies her from coming? Group members who are clearly acting selfishly fall under this just as easily. So can the leader who treats a raid member unfairly, tries to squeeze someone out of the raid or deny them opportunities, just because they decided they don’t like that person or have some personal vendetta. People who assume that a problem is always ’s fault. These are problems that can’t be fixed nearly so easily and tend to be the real pet peeves I have.

I forgot to add that I get quite anoyed with people just sitting in dalaran waiting for a summon, even more so when 4 of them are doing it and I’m already at the stone waiting for someone else to get there.

DPS shouting “GOGOGO”, “MOVE IT” and so on when I clearly see the healer needs to regain some mana before I start pulling again to avoid a wipe.

Anyone but the designated tank pulling mobs / groups / whatever, (I never heal these, they are even lucky if they get a res) with the exeption of say the split groups in VH where hunters and boomkins might throw some light dps ability to pull the mobs towards the tank.

People joining a group/raid only to minutes later going to have dinner for say 20-30 minutes, even more if they bitch about being replaced (usually ends up on my ignore list)

People that do not DPS the marked target (I got “mark skull” on hotkey and add a new one when/if the first target dies), this usually result in the said dps getting roflstomped by the mob before I get aggro back due to not noticing that the mob had turned around.

Players trying to trick/fool the party they are in saying they are able to summon coren direbrew (has the quest), and then have the guts to ask if they can stay after they have been found out.
is not a given, it’s earned

A DK poping amry of the dead.. this god awful spell keeps getting used at the most unsuitable bosses over and over (mal’ganis, last boss VH), it’s hell for the healer.

The two little ones:

People who stand there with no HP after a resurrection or whatever and wait for the healer to finish drinking, heal them, and drink again. Speed up the group. Use a bandage. Eat some food. I don’t care what, don’t waste everyone’s time because you are afraid of using the things in your bag.

People that are “AFK” for runs but still manage to roll on every piece of loot that drops.

OK, so I just got back from Blackrock Depths for the first time! Got some neat loot and level 53 – I’m starting to feel high level now, heh. I’m always nervous about tanking, especially someplace I’ve never been, but after a little while I got a feel for the rhythm of it, and I think we did ok, in no small part because my awesome boyfriend was healing.

But I think I have also gotten a taste of the potential crappiness. The group leader was a Ret Pally and not only did he keep pulling aggro from me, he wasn’t trying not to – he’d run up to a biggish group and AOE before I’d get a couple Swipes in. And once he had aggro on something it was pretty hard for me to get it back. I reckon that’s probably because I don’t know the best strategies for aggro recovery and dealing with larger groups yet, but darn it, I think he made it harder than it needed to be, and that was stressful.

The pally is also one of the infamous Recount-ers, and he doesn’t even have Recount – twice he asked for someone to post it, and both times he was below the hunter and the mage (who seemed pretty cool). I was amused. To be fair, he did trade a tanking ring to me after we both needed it and he won.

So anyhow, the Ret Pally who thinks they’re a tank has a place on my short list of annoying things.

Oh, and we started out the instance with a rogue, who fortunately had to go to bed after the first two pulls and a wipe, and we got the cool hunter. When I told the group to let me know if there’s anything they see that I could improve on, the rogue said “just hold agro lol”

I may be new to the whole tanking thing, but I suspect there’s no “just” about it. If you can’t offer me any useful advice, because you sound like you’ve probably never played a tank, then just don’t say anything.

Pet peeves:
One word: “go”. It comes in many varieties: gogo, go go, ready go!, *jump jump* gogogo.
When I am tanking known content, I am moving as fast as my healers manapool and my CD’s allow me to (DK). Do not ‘effing rush me!
What good could this possibly do? If they put pressure on a inexperienced tank, to make him pull faster than he is comfortable with, how can they think this is a good idea?!

The players that refuse to learn: I am looking at you hunters! We have two hunters in our small guild, who numerous times have been told to FD _before_ they pull aggro, they have numerous times been given the link to the former great huntard-educator BRK. And yet after almost two years, mobs are all over the place and tanks are running around like headless chickens.

Worst thing about bad group behaviour is that the ignore list is only of finite length :(.

One pet peeve that isn’t only in game. People that only refer to , classes, instances, spells and abilities by using their initials. Just using a post here as an example: “to FD _before_ they pull “. I know what the means, but a friend of mine standing here that I just recruited into the game has no idea what that means. This particular example isn’t a big deal, but he wants to play a healer and I see posts on the boards he is trying to do research on that only use initials. It makes it a lot harder for people to learn what to do. Is typing a couple more letters on a keyboard THAT much harder? Really? People that do not live the game (those of us with lives – “How do you kill that which has no life?”) have to sped too much time trying to puzzle out WTF you are talking about.

“My DK was in UP and the MT didn’t TC, so the htr FD after I AOEd with D&D. The mage used FN, and then IB, but the mobs still RIPd us.”

Half the time someone asks for a damage meter I suspect they already know what the numbers are. They have recount themselves, they just don’t want to be the dick that’s always, “hey! look at how awesome I am!” I mean, they do want to be that dick . . . they just don’t want to be perceived as one.

The other half the time their dps is pretty crappy. Kinda’ obvious they don’t have recount themselves then.

A couple days ago on my level 72 resto druid I was asked if I could heal Violet Hold. Which, you know, level 77 bosses, level 75 gear drops . . . I’m not sure I’m up to. But what the hey, it’s not like my heals have a miss chance so I’m game to try. Turns out the DK tank putting the group together had 2 level 80s lined up, so the fights went fast and healing wasn’t too bad at all. After the 2nd boss the DK tank asks for a recount post. So I throw out the healing done numbers and everyone has a laugh. Then I post dps and the tank gets all :( . . . not that she had bad dps, it was just lower than the rest of the, you know, the actual dps party members.

“Do you mind if I tank the rest of the run in unholy?”

Oh yeah, sure . . . can’t let a couple of level 80 dps show you up. Go ahead and stress the underlevelled healer even more. But somehow it came out just, “We can try that if you’d like.” Then after the next fight, “but maybe you should go back to frost for Cyanigosa.”

This is going to be a bit long (sorry: it is friday at the office and it is very quiet). :-)

I just hate some people’s reactions sometimes when you try to give them advise or question why they made a certain choice (mind you: in the most polite way I know). Not to tell them how to play the game, but just out of curiosity (maybe I could learn from them).

Last night I was in a PUG with a hunter. Just after he got invited he said “just a sec, I need to tame an animal, because I just switched from BM to MM”. When I asked him “why not go with a SV spec?” he replied “don’t tell me how to play the game”. I offered my appologies and replied that I was not trying to tell him how to play the game, but as SV has become THE build for hunters right now (check WowPopular.com), it could have been a viable choice. I also explained him my main is a hunter and that I have tried and tested various builds in the past and was just curious as to why he chose for a MM spec.
He immediately responded that I should “STFU” because he had been playing the game since beta. As I did not want to spoil the mood, I kept my mouth shut.
During all that chatter he found his way to the instance where he met up with the rest of the group. A paladin asked him if he would like a BoK or a BoM. His response: “what do they do?”.
I could not help myself and replied “I thought you played this game since beta?”. His response: “yeah, but they did not have paladins then and I took a 2 year break”… Okay, so you think nothing happened during those 2 years? It is not that you have to take my word for it, but at least be open to suggestions/comments/tips from people who HAVE been playing their char for the past 2 years (religiously).
When checking recount I found that I (as a druid tank) did more damage than he did (and I was 2 levels lower). I just had to laugh.

Something I also hate is the excessive use of the abreviations “ffs”, “wth”, “wtf” and the word “noob(s)”. Expecially when the group is not doing that bad at all… Just because this group does things a bit differently than you and/or your guild has been doing, doesn’t mean we are not going to be successful. Every group is different. Some people have not been playing that much and need to get into it and others play 24/7. Some people just need a little encouragement. Lighten up: it is not a matter of life and death! By pissing everybody off the mood of the group drops and people get scared to make mistakes and then…. they make even more mistakes”.

Ok I have a big peeve that is not mentioned here pallies….. when the group has more than 1 pally I should have more than 1 pally buff/aura and don’t, this is even after asking them repeatedly ( I mostly get this horde side )

Went through heroic ToC for the first time last night and was pretty excited for it. I’ve watched my kids run it and it looks like some fun fights, there are good gear drops. So you know, it was cool to get the invite.

I’m relatively new to level 80 on this character, but I hit level 80 ready for heroic content. Not all godly, but you know . . . enough honor saved up to get an epic ring, enough Wintergrasp Marks to get an epic cloak, a Direbrew Trinket, level 80 crafted epics. I’ve got an alt that’s at a good enchanting level, so all my gear has top end enchants and I’m kitted up with the awesome leatherworking stuff I can make myself. I’ve still got a couple level 78 pieces. Like I say, I know there are people who hit 80 better geared than me, but I’m ready enough that I feel I can probably hold my own dpsing any Heroic 5 mans.

I can probably tank most of them, but it’s my off spec, it has a few more equipment slots filled with level 78 gear, so there are a few runs I’d rather not try to tank yet. Especially the one I’ve never done before. So when I get the “can u tank it?” whisper I tell the dude that I’d rather not. He invites me to dps. And it turned into a nightmare with so many of the pet peeves listed in this thread.

- First thing one of the party members asks is, “who’s going to summon?”

- The healer flat out tells the Hunter putting the party together that she won’t heal a “fail tank” and makes him gear check the tank

- After the first fight, Edge of Ruin drops and the hunter gets all excited.

- I, Mr. just-hit-80, have the high dps in the group at only ~2K. Respectable for a new 80, I guess, but well below what I see dps doing when I watch my kids run the instance. The tank was right behind me at ~1.8K. The hunter who started the party? 700. All epic gear. Good armor kits. All gemmed. And somehow he can only do 700 dps.

- We get through the first fight with no deaths and the tank starts to get abusive. “You guys suck.” “No offense, but some of you should probably try Heroic Nexus.”

- The Confessor summons Cyanigosa for us. There’s nothing spectacularly hard, but our dps is so low that the fight . . . just . . . drags . . . on and on and eventually the healer runs oom and we die.

- Queue the abuse again. This time the healer gets in on it, “I could out-dps any two of you! There are two heals in LFG, kick the low dps and let me switch specs.” So the tank kicks the 700dps hunter out of the party the hunter had set up.

- Remember the part about him being all nicely geared? How can you be so well geared and only get 700dps? I’m guessing he was about 10-12 years old. And these assholes treated him like shit. I’m kind of ashamed I stuck around.

- But serves me right, I did stick around for the second wipe. We got a holy pally, the priest went shadow and as soon as Cyaniogosa showed up, she must have blown every high damage spell she could throw in the time it took the tank to close the distance and strike a first blow.

- The tank left in a huff, healer & dps leave just me & shadow priest in the group. “Man I hate that,” she says. “Which do you hate? People getting all pissy and leaving?” “yeah, wasting my time.”

- Shadow priests final dps? 750.

@Sarabian Yes, this! It frustrates me too. Last night someone was telling me to “LOS pull” the mobs from the other room, and I had no idea what it meant – finally they explained in more detail that I was to go grab a group and pull it back to the stairs to fight there, and repeat to clear room. Only as we were going did I finally figure out that it meant Line of Sight.

Saw something this morning I haven’t seen in AGES… a pet left on Aggressive.

First time it happened, I just let it slide assuming the player would realize the error and fix it.
Second time it happened, I griped in /p to “Get that pet undercontrol” as it had just pulled a 2nd group while we were still killing the first group. Had I trusted our healer, I probably wouldn’t have complained, but this healer was obviously struggling.
Third time it happened, ANOTHER player called out the guy by name and told him to put his pet on Passive.

I’m not sure if he ever changed it as we were in HToC and that was the last “trash”.

And the kicker of it all? The offender was a Death Knight… :)

1. Snobs. People who can’t understand that not everyone who wants to run an instance at 80 is an end-game raider and therefore knows all of the ins and outs of the particular class they’re playing, and proceed to verbally vomit on the “inferior” person. I didn’t get clued in to DPS meters and actually measuring things and the whole concept of a “best spec” for anything until I started raiding in BC, after playing for two years or so with the default UI. I had no addons. Didn’t even know what they were. Granted, there is a lot more information available now, with blogs and such, but if people don’t know to look, they’re not going to. So give people the benefit of the doubt, eh? I’m sorry they’re not up to your super-high standards, but just maybe they don’t know there’s any other way to be than the way they are. Get over yourself.

2. Attention seekers. No matter what’s going on, this person has to chime in about their opinion, or with some personal experience of theirs that really has no bearing on the situation, but gets everyone focused on them, be it with sympathy or whatever. And it’s never just one thing either, it’s often an entire paragraph about their problems and how bad they are feeling, or how much they’ve done with absolutely NO thanks from anyone, but they’re sacrificing their time and health or whatever doing things for the guild, and they’re happy to do them, but really if someone could just flipping HELP once in a while because it’s such a chore… Again, get over yourself. We’d like to talk to the other people in the guild sometimes too, thanks.
Asara´s last blog ..Feeling pretty RAWR.

I play a bear. I read BBB, thinktank, darksend, EJ, Emmerald, tankspot, etc. If I played WOW half as much as I read about it, I might get good at it.

My peeve: I am tanking and a dps keeps pulling agro. I nicely ask in party if my threat is a bit off. I know it’s not, I run Omen, but, hey, it’s a nicer way of saying, “knock it off, doofus”. THAT part isn’t my peeve; my peeve is when the group now feels it is appropriate to question and critique me. “My main is a feral druid.” “What is your rotation?” “Just spam swipe.” Thanks. Really. The fact that you mage-tanked in Gruul’s Lair, or that your VW did Sarth, or that your tanking DK alt is “l33tsauce” doesn’t excite me. We all know that if tanking was so simple and fun, the Trade Chat would be littered with: 3 tanks and 4 heals need dps for 25VoA! I don’t see that on my server.

It used to be, in TBC, that you needed to think in a heroic instance. A Moonkin couldn’t get a heroic run in full Tier 6 because he/she didn’t have any CC. You had to have a PLAN. A heroic instance could take HOURS. All five group members had to think and do their jobs or it was a wipe. I ran with smart people who had a sense of personal responsibility. Instead, now, I get a healer saying this in party chat after 2 wipes: “You are getting hit very hard. I don’t think you are geared enough for this.” and then kicking me from hToC. HELLO?!? I am WEARING 2 drops from this boss! He has died at my paws multiple times!

Now, the game is really easier. And an easier game allows for dumber people to play. And, they are all on my server. I ran heroic UP in 24 min the other day. Are you kidding me? People pugging for end game content? Did you EVER see someone pug Black Temple? (before the nerf?)

/applogize for incoherent and poorly spelled free form thought process

I currently believe two things. 1) Everyone should have to work as a waiter or waitress for 6 months. The world would be a much nicer place. 2) Everyone in WoW should have to tank heroic Magister’s Terrace at least once. Or the Murmur fight. 3) Some people can’t count.

By the way, “it’s not rocket surgery”, from an earlier post, is the best mixed metaphor I have seen in a long time.

I just logged in for about 30 min to knock out the Brewfest dailies and I get asked by a guildie to come heal TotC10. I tell them I didn’t have the time but if they were only trying for 1 boss I could keep myself awake for a little while longer. They said the group was all ready and it would go quick. I join the Raid and there are only 4 ppl including myself in the group. The guildie said that the others were on their way or alting over. About an hour later we are all standing in the instance ready to start and it is Beast of Northrend. It was a fresh Raid. I started looking around and I noticed the other priest healer had some strange gear. I inspected them just to indulge my curiosity and I was aghast to see nothing but greens and blues, some of which were lvl 78. I start looking around at the rest of the PuG and I see similar gear models for low ilevels. Just then the priest whispers me and complements me on my gear (mix of Conquest and T9). I then caught sight of what I didn’t see before on the tooltip. One of my addons gives the player spec and talent points in the tooltip for whoever I have targeted. This priest had all 71 points in Holy!!!. I quickly whispered back asking if they needed some help with their talent spec or if they would like a good website to go to and look up some information. I was just trying to be helpful. They replied back that they like their spec and their alt spec is Disc (which probably had all 71 points in that as well). To my utter horror, their final comment to me, after I informed them that I would be happy to give them an alternative talent spec for their priest was, “Thanks but no thanks. The guy I bought this account from assured me this character was setup with the proper gear and was ready to do end game content and I’m comfortable with the way things are set up now.” By this time it had been about an hour and 15 minutes and it was almost 2am. We did get the raid started but OT wouldn’t taunt the first boss from the MT and DPS didn’t bother to get the kobolds off anyone and it was a wipe before a minute even went by. I quickly made my apologies and excused myself saying I was getting too much wife agro and I had to work in a couple hours so I had to call it a night.

Trying to keep my list(s) short.

Raid delays
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Online, yet somehow still late for the raid “summons plz”
Player-made loot lag “lemme check wowhead”
Taking longer than the decided upon break “i had 2 no 2″
Slow corpse runners “i can’t rez him” aka “stealth afk”
Hearthing during a run to upgrade “rq”

Party Delays
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How am I last to get invited, first to stone?
Constant AFKs for something that takes 45 mins max

This is not what I find MOST annoying, but people who can’t be bothered to loot (beast) corpses even though you’ve told them you skin irk me.

Ooh ooh more pet hates

People who are ALWAYS poor. Too poor to repair. Too poor to buy flasks. Too poor to do anything and are constantly begging for money to raid. BUT you know they’ve been online all day pvping, levelling alts, whatever and haven’t done a single daily quest/trade skill/whatever.

People who lecture others on performance – bonus points when they’re either failing themselves and/or WORSE than the person they’re lecturing

You’ve had a mage table (actually 2 because someone ALWAYS forgets to click it), everyone has 80 mana biscuits. You wipe. Everyone runs back, buffs, eats drinks. Except the melee/tanks who sit there on half health waiting to heal. They HAVE MANA BISCUITS! EAT DAMN IT! The healers are getting their mana back/buffing!

You have a raid planned. It’s been planned all week. They signed for it – a week ago. But when you’re all waiting in ulduar they’re STILL in Ironforge with the HS on cooldown. And there are 10 squillion horde at the summoning stone.

Related – you’re going to an instance/raid etc. All ready to go – except one person who suddenly decides to do 10 arenas, check the mail on 50 characters on 17 servers, do a Vault of Achavon and compose a sonnet to his night elf’s eyes – and, oh you’re waiting for me? YES!

Or when you KNOW a boss bugs if you use death savers. Like Leviathan. Or Hodir. You know he does. You’ve seen it 100 times. But they STILL DI/Vanish/Feign Death/Shadow Meld. WHYYYYYY WHYYYYY?!

people who demand fish feasts. Our guild brings fish feasts to most high level raids because most people can’t be arsed (the best folks don’t use them anyway because they’re rarely the best buff). This is generous – don’t DEMAND them if we’re alt farming! ESPECIALLY if you don’t fish!

People who only think of themselves in group composition! “Put that resto shaman in my group, I need the hit!” Uh, and the 4 healers in that group like the mana tide.

METER ADDICTS! Sure they’ve dispelled/decursed nothing, done NO crowd control and REFUSED to move out of fire/away from orbs/kill adds, but they’re high on the meters! GAH!

PURPLIX BLINDNESS! It’s a higher item level than they need. Sure they’re a holy priest and it’s a neck decked out in mp5 and crit rating, and sure there’s a resto shaman and a holydin also needing on it – but it has a higher item level! THEY MUST HAVE IT!

CC breakers! Seriously most of us learned NOT to use aoe/splash damage around the cc when we were in DEADMINES but noooo every time you hear “oh, I shouldn’t use living bomb/consecrate/heartstrike then?” AFTER the wipe of course. AAAAAAAAAARGH

Personal announcements on vent that we don’t need – especially if you’re speaking over the raid leader when he’s saying things like “Warlock,. help on the adds please.” No, instead we here “I’m dead!” (yes we can see) “damn lag’s bad” (yes we know)

Screaming “heal me” in a raid. Heal you? Really? Well oh my god, see, I’m a resto shaman and have been healing for years now, but damn, I never knew you wanted me to HEAL. Thanks, I never would have known. We know. We can see the green bars. We know you need healing. If we’re NOT healing you there’s a damn good reason for it (oomness, tank dying, we’re getting to you or you’re doing something stupid like NOT MOVE the WHOLE damn hodir fight and we’re letting you DIE rather than waste any more mana on you)

Oh oh oh, another healer gripe – and hunters are the main offender here – why why why why WHY do you ALWAYS try to be as far away from everyone else as possible? You’re NEVER in range. EVER. And don’t run away when you have Incinerate flesh!!!

Suicide locks!!! Locks who lifetap regardless of their health or situation – Tympanic Tantrum, Frozen Blows, Anub Rekhan’s frost dot, Incinerate flesh. They don’t care

People who have 10 million alts but as soon as one is geared they switch to the next one so you can NEVER progress and all the loot you’ve already worked on to get them is now wasted

People who insist on spamming “alternate tactics” even while the raid leader is explaining. EVEN on a boss that is so farmed we don’t have to explain tactics.

Drama and figure pointing – on this I’m glad I’m GM and RL. People want drama and want to blame people? KICK from raid & guild. We don’t need that crap.

Negativity. One wipe and that’s it, the world is over! A raid has to be cancelled because 3 people are on holiday? WOE the guild is dying etc etc. Seriously, some perspective please?

Hmmm… I think i need a therapist now

At the risk of sounding like a xenophobe, I wanted to post an annoying group behavior I just came across last night. Went to PUG H-ToC on my Alt-Lock. Get the invite, fly to the tournament grounds, things were going good. Said “Hi” in /p and got really nice responses. Group seemed to be fairly well geared (aside from my lock, mix of Heoric blues/Naxx 25 epics) 2DK’s, rogue (all from the same guild BTW), pally healer and myself. Started the event and the joust part went fine, then we engaged the Champions (can’t remember the make up, all I remember was the rogue was one of em) and we wipe, Quickly. The 2 DK’s and the rogue started talking in /p in spanish (they were all talking in english prior to this) I do not know all that much spanish aside form what I took in highschool awhile ago (no I am not going to say how long ago) so I had no clue what they were saying. If you are going to discuss strats or anything else in party, make sure everyone in the group can understand what the hell you are saying, cause if not then it just looks like you are trying to exclude people from the conversation and it is down right rude. I really hate this in Real Life as well.

When people say: “relax, it’s just a game.” Usually after ninja-looting something and getting called out on it, facepulling and causing a wipe, or other random acts of asshattery.

Yes, it is just a game, but it is also our free time — free time which we wish to spend enjoyably. Being denied some loot on a fair roll, unnecessary corpse runs and repair bills are a few of the things that detract from our enjoyment of the game.

@an ominous cow herd

THIS. This times 100.

I’m generally a pretty chilled guy about game stuff. I’m there to have fun with other people. I want to do the best job I can in a group and I want to bring my part, so I take that seriously. I don’t take loot seriously because it’s just pixels, as long as it goes to somebody who can use it, all good. I don’t mind wiping as long as everyone isn’t repeating the same mistakes. I’m all good.

But do something asshatted and then tell me “relax, it’s just a game” and I will utterly lose it with you.

Hey guys, first time poster on here. I recently got 80 on my bear and I’ve geared it pretty quickly, I love tanking and I’ve got a really good healer friend that’s been in pretty much every heroic since I got 80. I tank, he heals and I’m sure we’ll reverse when I get a decent resto set.

This leaves us looking for three DPS, there are alot of good players in our guild, but there are always those you learn to avoid. Most of them Hunters funnily enough, now I’ve raided on a Hunter. I did BT and Sunwell back when it was actually a challenge, and I pride myself on my knowledge of all the classes I’ve played. There are two said Hunters that I hadn’t actually tanked for before, I knew they weren’t the most.. intelligent players in the game, but this one really takes the cake. Tanking Violet Hold Heroic when we get a portal with the multiple mobs. Before I’ve even hit them, one of these Hunters fires off a Multishot, I’ve now got 3 running at him, and 1 running at the healer. I manage to grab them all and he doesn’t have the nouse to understand what he did wrong. I simply state “You do that again, deal with them yourself”. Which I thought was fairly reasonable, it was his response that infuriated me. You know what it was?! “100% in control”!

Add a Misdirection in there, problem solved, but nooooo.

People /w me for a battle rez when i have a now 24 man raid depending on me to tank a boss that you couldnt move out of the AOE for! especially when its the guy pulling 900dps.. yeah right, i wouldnt rez you if we werent in combat! you arent doing anyone any good, in fact you are just hurting the group by taking healds from the people actually doing good!

My new pet peeve is anyone running a Gearscore mod who doesn’t have the sense to be quiet about it. Spam a gearscore in party and I will consider hearthing. I will definitely hearth if that person brags about a high gearscore and their gear is all mis-gemmed and mis-enchanted. You want to hear something shocking? iLvl 187 blues and old BC epics were all the first wave of players had going into heroics the first few months of WotLK.

Hunters who can’t control their pets have always been a pet peeve. No, it’s not fun if your pet runs off and chews on the next pull while we’re still killing this one. (Although the time a pet pulled the entire audience in Opera was hilarious.)

Raid leads who spend 20 minutes discussing a boss strat. Damn it, my overpriced flask and hard-fished food are ticking off and we could have had at least two solid attempts during that time. If you can’t explain a strat in 5 minutes, people aren’t going to pull it off anyway.

Loot – People who roll greed when there is an enchanter in the party. People who roll need on BoE gear and then don’t equip it. People who roll against mainspec for offspec without saying anything in advance. Raiders who try to roll/bid on wildly inappropriate gear.

Anyone who stands in the fire. One day I might just let you die.

To Augurs; /w healer “Don’t heal him, I’ll pick them up once he’s dead.” Then protect the healer until the huntard is lunched, finish them off and ask him ‘Now what did we learn?’

I’ll be nice about it once; maybe he spazzed. That happens to me sometimes, I hit the wrong one of the three identical icons I have for misdirect and MD my pet instead of my tank. We finish the fight and I apologize for it, and it’s done… But more than once, it’s not a mistake anymore, it’s being stupid.

The thing I hate most in the World…of Warcraft: The fact that Trade chat has turned into the Barrens/dimwit channel. It’s impossible to actually try and buy or sell anything, because of all the idiots who think it’s their private channel, chattering about how they did this, how their guild did that, spamming ‘beep beep i’m a jeep’ macros, chuck norris ‘jokes’ that weren’t funny the first time 20 years ago and have gotten less funny since then, etc.

Another is ‘lf 50,000+ dps for Wailing Caverns, must link achievement and have better gear than Arthas’, and you find out that they’re all in green crap and expecting you to carry them.

1.Has anyone had problems with players going afk and leeching conquest/triumph emblems?
Myself and 3 guildies pugged in a warlock to hoiroic vh. After waiting for him to come back from afk for 15 minutes we decided to 4 man until he got back. By the time we got to the first boss he still wasn’t back, im pretty sure his toon should’ve auto logged off by now if he was really afk. So after the first boss i kicked him, saving him to the daily heroic.

2.Yelling at players on vent/nerdrage.

3.Almost anything said anymore in Trade chat

4.High level players grabbing low level mining or herb nodes from my lowbie alt, or any player taking mining/herbing nodes while im fighting a mob on top of it.

5.Players not eating after fights, expecting me, as a healer, to sit and get mana, heal them, then sit again and get mana. This blows my mind. Food is cheap.

“Undergeared people that ’sneak’ into higher raids. Yes, we see you doing 1500 dps, below the tank, you just look like an ass down there at the bottom of everyone’s recount window. Even worse when they start offering advice after a wipe or get rude.”

perfectly describes my biggest pet peeve.

really?
raiding since BC with the same group so you should automatically just be able to log in once a week with gear that isnt even ready for Ulduar?
really?
jeez im SOOO glad you think that those engineer’s googles look cool… it makes me even happier to know that your 2.5 DPS with your gear makes you moderately skilled at your class….

especially when the mage that didnt get invited can do 5

and we have enrage timer issues on Anub.

but glad you came… so you can interupt the GM/RL’s instructions and call out “heroism” whenever the fuck YOU feel like it.

asshat.

/endrant