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		<title>By: Earthsong</title>
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		<dc:creator>Earthsong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 09:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Additional Glyph comments, especally for starters.
Glyph of Thorns...1 hour vs 10 minutes casting makes it much less of a hassle.
Glyph of Challenging Roar, -30 sec and its a minor!  Its awesome!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Additional Glyph comments, especally for starters.<br />
Glyph of Thorns&#8230;1 hour vs 10 minutes casting makes it much less of a hassle.<br />
Glyph of Challenging Roar, -30 sec and its a minor!  Its awesome!</p>
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		<title>By: Boobah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boobah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 08:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The only thing I have to add is on the subject of armor:  Raising the iLevel is the &lt;i&gt;only&lt;/i&gt; way to boost the armor that gets multiplied (and that applies to the plate tanks&#039; &quot;Toughness&quot; talent, Frost Presence, and the Austere meta-gem as well as bear form).  Bonus armor on cloaks, cloth, leather, mail, plate, and shields above and beyond what they get from their iLevel doesn&#039;t get multiplied by anything, just like the armor from trinkets, jewelry, weapons, and enchants.

Second, I believe you get two points of armor per point of agility; Mongoose is good for 240 extra armor when it procs.  Or rather, more, because if I recall correctly the armor from agility does get the multiplier.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only thing I have to add is on the subject of armor:  Raising the iLevel is the <i>only</i> way to boost the armor that gets multiplied (and that applies to the plate tanks&#8217; &#8220;Toughness&#8221; talent, Frost Presence, and the Austere meta-gem as well as bear form).  Bonus armor on cloaks, cloth, leather, mail, plate, and shields above and beyond what they get from their iLevel doesn&#8217;t get multiplied by anything, just like the armor from trinkets, jewelry, weapons, and enchants.</p>
<p>Second, I believe you get two points of armor per point of agility; Mongoose is good for 240 extra armor when it procs.  Or rather, more, because if I recall correctly the armor from agility does get the multiplier.</p>
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		<title>By: Deddrood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deddrood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 21:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great write up.  It&#039;s nice to see a consolidated source of information on this topic.

I remember having a spot of trouble in my first TOC Heroic.  CC is very useful as stated above.  I&#039;ll usually get an MD on one of the targets to help start me off on threat.   The most important thing though is positioning.

It&#039;s also worth mentioning that in the early stages of gearing your new Bear, PVP items are a really good and relatively painless way to do it.  They don&#039;t put out the threat you might require at higher levels but are chocced full of Armor and Stamina with a decent chunk of Agility on the side.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great write up.  It&#8217;s nice to see a consolidated source of information on this topic.</p>
<p>I remember having a spot of trouble in my first TOC Heroic.  CC is very useful as stated above.  I&#8217;ll usually get an MD on one of the targets to help start me off on threat.   The most important thing though is positioning.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also worth mentioning that in the early stages of gearing your new Bear, PVP items are a really good and relatively painless way to do it.  They don&#8217;t put out the threat you might require at higher levels but are chocced full of Armor and Stamina with a decent chunk of Agility on the side.</p>
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		<title>By: Suxxy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suxxy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 13:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just off to bed, must ad a comment from today&#039;s pug fail.
Did the jousting in HToC, getting set with buffs &amp; things (me still in humanoid form with 29k unbuffed) and the healer starts up a convo in /party

 tank?
 ?
 put ur def gear on
 &lt;== Bear
 what sort of gear r u wearing?
 bear tank, let&#039;s do this

/pull group, the healer quits the party, those who were left all die.

Yes, I should have taken the time to explain that I am not a warrior, pally nor DK. I should have taken his lack of knowledge &amp; helped him understand the way of the bear, instead I rez&#039;d and found he was in Icecrown, so lampooned him in /1

/1  {healer&#039;s name} just left a HToC before the first pull because he wanted me to put on my plate +def gear, and I wouldn&#039;t.
/1  Did he ask if you were def-capped? LOL, I hate that on my bear alt
/1  I didn&#039;t say you needed plate
/1  Yeah, I don&#039;t heal any instance on my priest unless I have my plate gear on

I don&#039;t have Elephant to get the exact text, but this is close enough.
Turned it into a guild run &amp; flawless victory.

Note for Enrage:
When the Black night phase starts &amp; he&#039;s doing his speech, right when he says &quot;little&quot; in the &quot;your pathetic little combat&quot;, switch into bear form for 10 rage (if you have that talent) and pop enrage straight away. With that timing, the enrage (and therefore the armour debuff) will finish about a second before combat begins. Max available rage all ready for threat generation = Win.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just off to bed, must ad a comment from today&#8217;s pug fail.<br />
Did the jousting in HToC, getting set with buffs &amp; things (me still in humanoid form with 29k unbuffed) and the healer starts up a convo in /party</p>
<p> tank?<br />
 ?<br />
 put ur def gear on<br />
 &lt;== Bear<br />
 what sort of gear r u wearing?<br />
 bear tank, let&#8217;s do this</p>
<p>/pull group, the healer quits the party, those who were left all die.</p>
<p>Yes, I should have taken the time to explain that I am not a warrior, pally nor DK. I should have taken his lack of knowledge &amp; helped him understand the way of the bear, instead I rez&#8217;d and found he was in Icecrown, so lampooned him in /1</p>
<p>/1  {healer&#8217;s name} just left a HToC before the first pull because he wanted me to put on my plate +def gear, and I wouldn&#8217;t.<br />
/1  Did he ask if you were def-capped? LOL, I hate that on my bear alt<br />
/1  I didn&#8217;t say you needed plate<br />
/1  Yeah, I don&#8217;t heal any instance on my priest unless I have my plate gear on</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have Elephant to get the exact text, but this is close enough.<br />
Turned it into a guild run &amp; flawless victory.</p>
<p>Note for Enrage:<br />
When the Black night phase starts &amp; he&#8217;s doing his speech, right when he says &#8220;little&#8221; in the &#8220;your pathetic little combat&#8221;, switch into bear form for 10 rage (if you have that talent) and pop enrage straight away. With that timing, the enrage (and therefore the armour debuff) will finish about a second before combat begins. Max available rage all ready for threat generation = Win.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelarr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelarr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 16:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One thing to do soon after the pull of the champs is to pop Berserk and Mangle away.  Obviously, get all 3 in range before doing so, but after all of those Mangle&#039;s hitting all 3, you shouldn&#039;t have issues with threat on any of them so long as your dps are following kill order.
Someone mentioned using an OT.  I&#039;ve done this and had it done a number of times depending on group makeup.  One thing I would say is, never have someone OT the Mage unless the MT is a bear, otherwise the MT can get sheeped and things go to hell after that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing to do soon after the pull of the champs is to pop Berserk and Mangle away.  Obviously, get all 3 in range before doing so, but after all of those Mangle&#8217;s hitting all 3, you shouldn&#8217;t have issues with threat on any of them so long as your dps are following kill order.<br />
Someone mentioned using an OT.  I&#8217;ve done this and had it done a number of times depending on group makeup.  One thing I would say is, never have someone OT the Mage unless the MT is a bear, otherwise the MT can get sheeped and things go to hell after that.</p>
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		<title>By: Nokin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nokin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 14:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent post.  I can recall so many times when the S### hit the fan (usually cuz someone pulled another pat or something) when I was the last bear standing and the dps are upset at me for &quot;moving their targets&quot; and I said something to the effect of.. If I had not backed up with all those guys I would not be standing here to rez you. :P

Thanks again BBB, love your posts.

Nokin... Feral since Feral was not cool! (wait.. it&#039;s always been cool to me! )]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post.  I can recall so many times when the S### hit the fan (usually cuz someone pulled another pat or something) when I was the last bear standing and the dps are upset at me for &#8220;moving their targets&#8221; and I said something to the effect of.. If I had not backed up with all those guys I would not be standing here to rez you. :P</p>
<p>Thanks again BBB, love your posts.</p>
<p>Nokin&#8230; Feral since Feral was not cool! (wait.. it&#8217;s always been cool to me! )</p>
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		<title>By: Thangarth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thangarth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 12:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the great guide, it helped sorting some issues I was battling with. Long time dps&#039;er trying to be a big bear butt as well!

Cheers m8, keep up the good work]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the great guide, it helped sorting some issues I was battling with. Long time dps&#8217;er trying to be a big bear butt as well!</p>
<p>Cheers m8, keep up the good work</p>
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		<title>By: joeboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>joeboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 08:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I used to tank with the legs and shoulder pieces from the PVP set ( I am not sure but it was the &quot;Deadly&quot; prefix i think) as the agi, stam and resil seems sexy to me.

Reading the mechanics, resil is still useful for the spell damage received regardless if it came from PVP or PVE.

I macroed my barkskin and my lacerate together as well as barkskin and swipe. I also macroed a raid or party warning on SI+Bezerk+dodge trinkie+Frenzied Regen+ Enrage as my ultimate &quot;O Crap: I am going to die&quot; button. The dodge trinket will mitigate the loss in armour whilst getting rage from dodging, Enrage and getting healed with FR.

I suggest getting some more badges for vendor tier pieces and keep puggin VOA as well.

Good onya mate I wish you well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to tank with the legs and shoulder pieces from the PVP set ( I am not sure but it was the &#8220;Deadly&#8221; prefix i think) as the agi, stam and resil seems sexy to me.</p>
<p>Reading the mechanics, resil is still useful for the spell damage received regardless if it came from PVP or PVE.</p>
<p>I macroed my barkskin and my lacerate together as well as barkskin and swipe. I also macroed a raid or party warning on SI+Bezerk+dodge trinkie+Frenzied Regen+ Enrage as my ultimate &#8220;O Crap: I am going to die&#8221; button. The dodge trinket will mitigate the loss in armour whilst getting rage from dodging, Enrage and getting healed with FR.</p>
<p>I suggest getting some more badges for vendor tier pieces and keep puggin VOA as well.</p>
<p>Good onya mate I wish you well.</p>
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		<title>By: Dirz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dirz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 23:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ah je prendre:)  I&#039;m just jealous that druids dont have to stack defense:)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah je prendre:)  I&#8217;m just jealous that druids dont have to stack defense:)</p>
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		<title>By: Jgor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jgor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 23:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[BBB, you forgot to mention Savage Defense!  (Edit:  I do just now see it mentioned barely in the tail end of your last comment...but it deserves more)

Kaliska, make sure you didn&#039;t miss picking it up when it was introduced, I believe you had to go back to your trainer and learn it.  For max level characters at the time, you might not have seen your trainer since then.  Savage Defense gives you a shield every time you crit.  So that means crit is officially a mitigation stat for bears.  And the amount it shields you is 1/4 of your attack power.  AP is now a mitigation stat for you.  Obviously, you don&#039;t want to go overboard with crit and ap for a bear.  But if you completely neglected them to get the stats you said in your e-mail, you may need to rethink that.  Personally, on my bear, I gem almost entirely shifting twilight opals to give me some stam, and the agi for dodge, crit, ap, and armor all from one stat.  How wonderful is that?  

Also, you might want to let us look at your talent spec.  Looking you up on the armory and matching servers based on the stats you said you have, I think I know your spec.  But just make sure you&#039;ve got Primal Gore.  That will allow you to cycle targets, putting up one stack of Lacerate as you do, and every time it happens to crit on any of the targets you&#039;ve got it up on, it&#039;ll proc your shield.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BBB, you forgot to mention Savage Defense!  (Edit:  I do just now see it mentioned barely in the tail end of your last comment&#8230;but it deserves more)</p>
<p>Kaliska, make sure you didn&#8217;t miss picking it up when it was introduced, I believe you had to go back to your trainer and learn it.  For max level characters at the time, you might not have seen your trainer since then.  Savage Defense gives you a shield every time you crit.  So that means crit is officially a mitigation stat for bears.  And the amount it shields you is 1/4 of your attack power.  AP is now a mitigation stat for you.  Obviously, you don&#8217;t want to go overboard with crit and ap for a bear.  But if you completely neglected them to get the stats you said in your e-mail, you may need to rethink that.  Personally, on my bear, I gem almost entirely shifting twilight opals to give me some stam, and the agi for dodge, crit, ap, and armor all from one stat.  How wonderful is that?  </p>
<p>Also, you might want to let us look at your talent spec.  Looking you up on the armory and matching servers based on the stats you said you have, I think I know your spec.  But just make sure you&#8217;ve got Primal Gore.  That will allow you to cycle targets, putting up one stack of Lacerate as you do, and every time it happens to crit on any of the targets you&#8217;ve got it up on, it&#8217;ll proc your shield.</p>
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