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		<title>By: Lostnumb</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2009/10/28/how-do-you-feel-about-gear-resets/comment-page-2/#comment-22431</link>
		<dc:creator>Lostnumb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 07:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i just wish more people saw 3d 10m sarth and all the ulduar hardmodes before they were nerfed to nothing. those were incredible fights that tested my skill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i just wish more people saw 3d 10m sarth and all the ulduar hardmodes before they were nerfed to nothing. those were incredible fights that tested my skill.</p>
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		<title>By: Lostnumb</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2009/10/28/how-do-you-feel-about-gear-resets/comment-page-2/#comment-22430</link>
		<dc:creator>Lostnumb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 07:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In wrath I have always been ahead of the game in my guild&#039;s raiding progression. Always had the best gear on server. Until toc came out and screwed up wrath. I know a lot of people work on alts and want the gear to progress but I&#039;ve spent countless hours getting bosses down each &quot;gear reset&quot; aquiring my raider proto drakes just to see that the gear resets. I hate that everyone starting new 80&#039;s that have never seen maly/sarth will never see them... No one runs those raids anymore. At least in BC everyone pugged every raid throughout BC. Blizzard is crapping on hardcore raiders and giving this game to casual players and it makes me sick. I quit right before toc because I heard about the emblem change. Since then I came back JUST to pvp on a mage but i go back to my hunter to try to slowly get gear. I ran a toc 10m pug today for the first time... we 1 shot all the bosses except twins and the last beetle boss. I didnt know anything about the raid and only died during wipes.. this came is just getting ridiculous. WTB cod6</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In wrath I have always been ahead of the game in my guild&#8217;s raiding progression. Always had the best gear on server. Until toc came out and screwed up wrath. I know a lot of people work on alts and want the gear to progress but I&#8217;ve spent countless hours getting bosses down each &#8220;gear reset&#8221; aquiring my raider proto drakes just to see that the gear resets. I hate that everyone starting new 80&#8242;s that have never seen maly/sarth will never see them&#8230; No one runs those raids anymore. At least in BC everyone pugged every raid throughout BC. Blizzard is crapping on hardcore raiders and giving this game to casual players and it makes me sick. I quit right before toc because I heard about the emblem change. Since then I came back JUST to pvp on a mage but i go back to my hunter to try to slowly get gear. I ran a toc 10m pug today for the first time&#8230; we 1 shot all the bosses except twins and the last beetle boss. I didnt know anything about the raid and only died during wipes.. this came is just getting ridiculous. WTB cod6</p>
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		<title>By: Dyeus</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2009/10/28/how-do-you-feel-about-gear-resets/comment-page-2/#comment-22139</link>
		<dc:creator>Dyeus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See I remember the days when getting a decent blue made me ALOT happier then getting a purple in BC or wrath. Sadly heroic gear vs non heroic gear has such a slight difference, it makes you wonder &quot;do I need the 1-50 extra dps? or should I just farm reg toc 25 to complete my offpieces instead of wipefests in heroic&quot;. It is sad that you can full clear 10 and 25 t9 content in about an hour depending on your raid group, leaving your guild bored and restless from 8pm tuesday night til the reset so you can do it all over again. Personally I can agree with skiannach that Ulduar is much better then ToC and in some ways harder. Yogg was alot rougher to do then anub by a lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See I remember the days when getting a decent blue made me ALOT happier then getting a purple in BC or wrath. Sadly heroic gear vs non heroic gear has such a slight difference, it makes you wonder &#8220;do I need the 1-50 extra dps? or should I just farm reg toc 25 to complete my offpieces instead of wipefests in heroic&#8221;. It is sad that you can full clear 10 and 25 t9 content in about an hour depending on your raid group, leaving your guild bored and restless from 8pm tuesday night til the reset so you can do it all over again. Personally I can agree with skiannach that Ulduar is much better then ToC and in some ways harder. Yogg was alot rougher to do then anub by a lot.</p>
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		<title>By: Skiannach</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2009/10/28/how-do-you-feel-about-gear-resets/comment-page-2/#comment-22115</link>
		<dc:creator>Skiannach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 10:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ulduar is my top favourite dungeon so far. Not only is is beautifully designed, but I feel more engaged with it than with any other content. The night the Ulduar patch hit, I was logged off on the front steps, and I was in there soon as possible the next day with a 9 man guild group who accidentally triggered FL four tower mode and thought it was the funnest thing ever. Then we went through those exciting early days, pre-nerf, when Ignis was terrifying and Razorscale and her nasty friends made life very sad for a resto shammy. Happy memories.

Unfortunately, my guild had only cleared Uld 10 once and was 2 bosses short of a 25 man clear when TOC hit. Naturally for a lot of people there was little incentive to run it any more after that. (Unless you&#039;re someone like me who is very much in touch with your inner Brann Bronzebeard and longs above all else to visit Algalon). I can see their point of view. TOC seems like the McDonalds of raids. Quick, easy (well on normal anyway), cheap and dull, but oh so convenient.

That&#039;s the only real problem I have with the new gear system. I really like the philosophy that it should be quite easy to gear enough to at least start raid content. A guild where raiders have several geared and useful alts able to step up to the plate as needed is a guild that doesn&#039;t necessarily have to cancel another nights raiding because they just don&#039;t have the right mix. But if Blizz had only set TOC level gear as a sidegrade, or slightly below Uld level, I think it would have worked better. Easy epics for those who don&#039;t have the time or interest for a longer raid, or have many alts to feed. Ulduar for those who want something a bit more involved. Maybe even with the T9 now dropping in Uld, and the T8 moving to TOC. For the higher end raiding guilds who had progressed past Ulduar, the TOC hard modes would drop super special shiny stuff that proclaims how awesome the wearer is, so those at the top end of the raiding scale are also happy. 

And that&#039;s another thing. In a world where everyone and their dog is fully purpled up, wearing near-identical looking armour, let there be a level of epics that really are epic. It&#039;d be nice to go back to the old days when you&#039;d see someone in the bank with the warglaives or Sunwell gear and get all excited. Maybe the option for mega-epics that actually DO need the wearer to have worked through previous content and built on it, such as upgradeable tier sets. Personally, I don&#039;t mind if I have only the faintest chance of getting them myself, but it&#039;s good to have something to admire and work towards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ulduar is my top favourite dungeon so far. Not only is is beautifully designed, but I feel more engaged with it than with any other content. The night the Ulduar patch hit, I was logged off on the front steps, and I was in there soon as possible the next day with a 9 man guild group who accidentally triggered FL four tower mode and thought it was the funnest thing ever. Then we went through those exciting early days, pre-nerf, when Ignis was terrifying and Razorscale and her nasty friends made life very sad for a resto shammy. Happy memories.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, my guild had only cleared Uld 10 once and was 2 bosses short of a 25 man clear when TOC hit. Naturally for a lot of people there was little incentive to run it any more after that. (Unless you&#8217;re someone like me who is very much in touch with your inner Brann Bronzebeard and longs above all else to visit Algalon). I can see their point of view. TOC seems like the McDonalds of raids. Quick, easy (well on normal anyway), cheap and dull, but oh so convenient.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the only real problem I have with the new gear system. I really like the philosophy that it should be quite easy to gear enough to at least start raid content. A guild where raiders have several geared and useful alts able to step up to the plate as needed is a guild that doesn&#8217;t necessarily have to cancel another nights raiding because they just don&#8217;t have the right mix. But if Blizz had only set TOC level gear as a sidegrade, or slightly below Uld level, I think it would have worked better. Easy epics for those who don&#8217;t have the time or interest for a longer raid, or have many alts to feed. Ulduar for those who want something a bit more involved. Maybe even with the T9 now dropping in Uld, and the T8 moving to TOC. For the higher end raiding guilds who had progressed past Ulduar, the TOC hard modes would drop super special shiny stuff that proclaims how awesome the wearer is, so those at the top end of the raiding scale are also happy. </p>
<p>And that&#8217;s another thing. In a world where everyone and their dog is fully purpled up, wearing near-identical looking armour, let there be a level of epics that really are epic. It&#8217;d be nice to go back to the old days when you&#8217;d see someone in the bank with the warglaives or Sunwell gear and get all excited. Maybe the option for mega-epics that actually DO need the wearer to have worked through previous content and built on it, such as upgradeable tier sets. Personally, I don&#8217;t mind if I have only the faintest chance of getting them myself, but it&#8217;s good to have something to admire and work towards.</p>
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		<title>By: Dyeus</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2009/10/28/how-do-you-feel-about-gear-resets/comment-page-2/#comment-22092</link>
		<dc:creator>Dyeus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 19:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am kinda upset about the whole situation. It really started with TBC release when epic felt like a good green or decent blue, and not &quot;OMG I GOT A PURPLE&quot;. Yeah its great for alts that want to gear and raid fast, but I prefered the setup where it was clear you were setup for a certain tier and needed to work a little more. This made me feel more accomplished then Oh I hit 80 and within the first 2 weeks I am fully epic&#039;d and ready to tank or dp or heal top end game content. The slap in the face for me is that I have been raiding on my druid for a long time in wrath and some guy/gal can ding 80 today and in a very short period be at the same level of gear(or better depending on luck) as I have been for a while. 

They kinda had it right at the launch of wrath where 10 and 25 had different badges and showed what content you were raiding. But now someone can run fresh 80 content and get t9 level gear pretty fast. Blizzard was complaining about flying mounts in wrath and how people could skip thier content, yet now they are setting it up for new players to skip 2 full tiers of current expansion content. I for one am glad I was there and experienced that content, and I do enjoy to grind from one tier to the next. When TBC came out I truly did enjoy struggling in kara/gruuls/Mag and when finally getting the gear from those struggles it made the content easier and then we moved to t5 where it started all over again. Yeah the wipes and growing pains hurt a little, but it made you a better player and appreciate what you had more. So when we finally got to t6 we could all look back and say man what a ride, and enjoy the top level content with pride and accomplishment. Sadly nowadays this game seems to be all about instant gratification. &quot;Ok Im 80 now Blizzard, now give me all top level epics plox so I can steam roll top level content&quot;. /rant</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am kinda upset about the whole situation. It really started with TBC release when epic felt like a good green or decent blue, and not &#8220;OMG I GOT A PURPLE&#8221;. Yeah its great for alts that want to gear and raid fast, but I prefered the setup where it was clear you were setup for a certain tier and needed to work a little more. This made me feel more accomplished then Oh I hit 80 and within the first 2 weeks I am fully epic&#8217;d and ready to tank or dp or heal top end game content. The slap in the face for me is that I have been raiding on my druid for a long time in wrath and some guy/gal can ding 80 today and in a very short period be at the same level of gear(or better depending on luck) as I have been for a while. </p>
<p>They kinda had it right at the launch of wrath where 10 and 25 had different badges and showed what content you were raiding. But now someone can run fresh 80 content and get t9 level gear pretty fast. Blizzard was complaining about flying mounts in wrath and how people could skip thier content, yet now they are setting it up for new players to skip 2 full tiers of current expansion content. I for one am glad I was there and experienced that content, and I do enjoy to grind from one tier to the next. When TBC came out I truly did enjoy struggling in kara/gruuls/Mag and when finally getting the gear from those struggles it made the content easier and then we moved to t5 where it started all over again. Yeah the wipes and growing pains hurt a little, but it made you a better player and appreciate what you had more. So when we finally got to t6 we could all look back and say man what a ride, and enjoy the top level content with pride and accomplishment. Sadly nowadays this game seems to be all about instant gratification. &#8220;Ok Im 80 now Blizzard, now give me all top level epics plox so I can steam roll top level content&#8221;. /rant</p>
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		<title>By: CC</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2009/10/28/how-do-you-feel-about-gear-resets/comment-page-2/#comment-22087</link>
		<dc:creator>CC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 17:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The poster who said that gear resets &quot;remove the training wheels&quot; has captured my opinion perfectly. Just last night, for example, we were trying heroic Faction Champs, and had to include a couple of prospects. We had a rogue prospect BEGGING us to be let in. &quot;I have 245 gear!&quot; he says. &quot;I&#039;m geared well enough!&quot; Maybe so, but when he literally asked what Vanish did in the middle of our first attempt ... yeah, it makes me hate the availability of gear. Too many people think it&#039;s a substitute for skill. It&#039;s really, really not. 

However. Gear will always reset. What bugs me more is the continuing availability of titles when you can waltz in and get them with 245 gear, and I busted my ass in my 213s. That&#039;s more of a slap in the face than any kind of gear reset, to me.
.-= CC&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://bellonae.net/?p=67&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Northrend Beasts Heroic, or: An Ugly, Hairy Learning Experience&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The poster who said that gear resets &#8220;remove the training wheels&#8221; has captured my opinion perfectly. Just last night, for example, we were trying heroic Faction Champs, and had to include a couple of prospects. We had a rogue prospect BEGGING us to be let in. &#8220;I have 245 gear!&#8221; he says. &#8220;I&#8217;m geared well enough!&#8221; Maybe so, but when he literally asked what Vanish did in the middle of our first attempt &#8230; yeah, it makes me hate the availability of gear. Too many people think it&#8217;s a substitute for skill. It&#8217;s really, really not. </p>
<p>However. Gear will always reset. What bugs me more is the continuing availability of titles when you can waltz in and get them with 245 gear, and I busted my ass in my 213s. That&#8217;s more of a slap in the face than any kind of gear reset, to me.<br />
.-= CC&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://bellonae.net/?p=67" rel="nofollow">The Northrend Beasts Heroic, or: An Ugly, Hairy Learning Experience</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Kriyet</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2009/10/28/how-do-you-feel-about-gear-resets/comment-page-1/#comment-21978</link>
		<dc:creator>Kriyet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:07:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Overall, I&#039;m happy about the availability of gear to more tiers of players.  As a raider with limited play time in general (like 2 nights a week), I&#039;m often scrambling to get in enough heroics during &#039;off-time&#039; to gear up if I don&#039;t see gear drop for me in the raid.  Collecting Triumphs 1 or 2 Heroic dailies a week = too many weeks for just  one new piece of gear (like 2 months for an idol?  sheesh). It means despite being in every guild raid, I&#039;m still falling behind my team in gear. The gear reset will help relieve that.

The downside for me is that it makes it much harder to pug anything other than the last level of raiding.  It is already getting hard to find Ulduar PUGs on my server - everyone has jumped into ToC.  (Personally, I find doing every battle in the same arena is boooooooring.) But Ulduar is gorgeous, varied, interesting!!! Come back, come back!  I fear that Ice Crown is just going to make this worse.  The upside is that at least we&#039;ll be out of the arena.

As to whether your accomplishments lose value when the gear is available otherwise, ummmm no.  The accomplishment is the accomplishment - it&#039;s only value is to yourself and your teammates who shared it - that was always true even before the gear reset.  The only difference is now you won&#039;t get the epeen from lording the gear over other players.  Epeen does NOT equal accomplishment.  But hey, if epeen&#039;s all the fun you get out of the game, maybe it will be time to move on.

;)


K/K of Bladefist</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Overall, I&#8217;m happy about the availability of gear to more tiers of players.  As a raider with limited play time in general (like 2 nights a week), I&#8217;m often scrambling to get in enough heroics during &#8216;off-time&#8217; to gear up if I don&#8217;t see gear drop for me in the raid.  Collecting Triumphs 1 or 2 Heroic dailies a week = too many weeks for just  one new piece of gear (like 2 months for an idol?  sheesh). It means despite being in every guild raid, I&#8217;m still falling behind my team in gear. The gear reset will help relieve that.</p>
<p>The downside for me is that it makes it much harder to pug anything other than the last level of raiding.  It is already getting hard to find Ulduar PUGs on my server &#8211; everyone has jumped into ToC.  (Personally, I find doing every battle in the same arena is boooooooring.) But Ulduar is gorgeous, varied, interesting!!! Come back, come back!  I fear that Ice Crown is just going to make this worse.  The upside is that at least we&#8217;ll be out of the arena.</p>
<p>As to whether your accomplishments lose value when the gear is available otherwise, ummmm no.  The accomplishment is the accomplishment &#8211; it&#8217;s only value is to yourself and your teammates who shared it &#8211; that was always true even before the gear reset.  The only difference is now you won&#8217;t get the epeen from lording the gear over other players.  Epeen does NOT equal accomplishment.  But hey, if epeen&#8217;s all the fun you get out of the game, maybe it will be time to move on.</p>
<p>;)</p>
<p>K/K of Bladefist</p>
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		<title>By: Ulv</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ulv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 10:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BBB my guild has, over the last 6 months, moved from pottering around in raids to being not only progression focussed but capable as well.

Most of our core 25-man raiders are kitted out predominantly in 245 gear and we&#039;re begiining to work through ToTC 10 and 25 Heroic for the challenge.  We raid 4 nights per week, 2.5-3 hours each session.  By many measures we&#039;re fairly serious raiders.  We&#039;ve come from very very casual roots in Kara and ZA and a solid core of competent people has drawn in more like-minded people.

Everything but the very top-level 258 gear is readily available to us and even that will be within our grasp in the next 3-4 weeks.

Mostly our attitude to the gear resets is positive.  It&#039;s great that people can gear up and catch up with those of us in a lucky position of being able to raid that content when it&#039;s released.

Guilds like ours will always have access to the shinies a little sooner than most on our sever and a while after others who are more skilled and focussed.  

Denying others access to them eventually is pretty chilidish and seems to me only an effect of people believing that they are special or entitled.  Things are probably balanced about right now.
.-= Ulv&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.prideofstgeorge.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;view=article&amp;id=128:trial-of-the-grand-crusader-10-jaraxxus-is-dead&amp;catid=47:raiding&amp;Itemid=73&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Trial of the Grand Crusader 10 - Jaraxxus is Dead!&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BBB my guild has, over the last 6 months, moved from pottering around in raids to being not only progression focussed but capable as well.</p>
<p>Most of our core 25-man raiders are kitted out predominantly in 245 gear and we&#8217;re begiining to work through ToTC 10 and 25 Heroic for the challenge.  We raid 4 nights per week, 2.5-3 hours each session.  By many measures we&#8217;re fairly serious raiders.  We&#8217;ve come from very very casual roots in Kara and ZA and a solid core of competent people has drawn in more like-minded people.</p>
<p>Everything but the very top-level 258 gear is readily available to us and even that will be within our grasp in the next 3-4 weeks.</p>
<p>Mostly our attitude to the gear resets is positive.  It&#8217;s great that people can gear up and catch up with those of us in a lucky position of being able to raid that content when it&#8217;s released.</p>
<p>Guilds like ours will always have access to the shinies a little sooner than most on our sever and a while after others who are more skilled and focussed.  </p>
<p>Denying others access to them eventually is pretty chilidish and seems to me only an effect of people believing that they are special or entitled.  Things are probably balanced about right now.<br />
.-= Ulv&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://www.prideofstgeorge.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;view=article&amp;id=128:trial-of-the-grand-crusader-10-jaraxxus-is-dead&amp;catid=47:raiding&amp;Itemid=73" rel="nofollow">Trial of the Grand Crusader 10 &#8211; Jaraxxus is Dead!</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Lenaiya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lenaiya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have to agree with you there Flaime. Also, what guild are you in? I&#039;m on the ER server too.</description>
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		<title>By: Flaime</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2009/10/28/how-do-you-feel-about-gear-resets/comment-page-1/#comment-21950</link>
		<dc:creator>Flaime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, thinking about it from a Feral druid standpoint, there is one type of &quot;gear reset&quot; that does upset me rather a lot - it&#039;s the soft reset they did with WOTLK to force Bears to use rogue gear. Dumbest thing Blizzard ever did. EVER. And that includes screwing up PvE in reponse to issues in Arena PvP, specifically.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, thinking about it from a Feral druid standpoint, there is one type of &#8220;gear reset&#8221; that does upset me rather a lot &#8211; it&#8217;s the soft reset they did with WOTLK to force Bears to use rogue gear. Dumbest thing Blizzard ever did. EVER. And that includes screwing up PvE in reponse to issues in Arena PvP, specifically.</p>
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