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		<title>By: Jeremiah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremiah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i know this is an old post but i have to laugh at the group that kicked you for not being heals or tank: a lock and a hunter.  i immediately thought of the people in trade (lfg, spam chat) that will say, &quot;LFM Ony 10 need 2 heals, 2 tanks, and 5 dps then gtg.&quot;  wtf?  you check their info.  yeah, it&#039;s a rogue.  i laugh every time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i know this is an old post but i have to laugh at the group that kicked you for not being heals or tank: a lock and a hunter.  i immediately thought of the people in trade (lfg, spam chat) that will say, &#8220;LFM Ony 10 need 2 heals, 2 tanks, and 5 dps then gtg.&#8221;  wtf?  you check their info.  yeah, it&#8217;s a rogue.  i laugh every time.</p>
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		<title>By: Hermoonie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hermoonie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 08:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear John aka Big Bear Butt,

I&#039;ve had a similar problem with my paladin, Lenabela. She started out as ret up until level 77. It was then that I realized that there was no way anyone would want another Ret Paladin on my server of Feathermoon as we are dps heavy. So I switched her to Holy/Prot and found out that I enjoyed both of those more than Ret.

In your case, however, I&#039;m hoping that finding a group of friends that will appreciate your spec and the new LFG tool to be a big boon to your dungeon raids in the future.

/bow

Hermoonie/Lenabela
of Feathermoon US
Horde]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear John aka Big Bear Butt,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had a similar problem with my paladin, Lenabela. She started out as ret up until level 77. It was then that I realized that there was no way anyone would want another Ret Paladin on my server of Feathermoon as we are dps heavy. So I switched her to Holy/Prot and found out that I enjoyed both of those more than Ret.</p>
<p>In your case, however, I&#8217;m hoping that finding a group of friends that will appreciate your spec and the new LFG tool to be a big boon to your dungeon raids in the future.</p>
<p>/bow</p>
<p>Hermoonie/Lenabela<br />
of Feathermoon US<br />
Horde</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So wierd.  I&#039;ve been level 80 for literally a year now.  Time /played at lvl 80, accounting for work, sleep, and vacations away from any keyboards (including blizzcon) plus personal leave for funerals and holidays, plus a short burnout period after xmas means I&#039;ve been playing WoW A LOT, lol.  Anyhow, having some reputation as a progression raiding tank means it&#039;s not as hard as all that to find a group, but if I ever want to DPS I grab a tank from my own guild, so I can sort of feel your pain BBB.  So, the moral of the story?  Bring that glorious BELF (although when you can play a tauren paladin I&#039;m sure you will...) over to Stormscale and run with The Herd!  Lol.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So wierd.  I&#8217;ve been level 80 for literally a year now.  Time /played at lvl 80, accounting for work, sleep, and vacations away from any keyboards (including blizzcon) plus personal leave for funerals and holidays, plus a short burnout period after xmas means I&#8217;ve been playing WoW A LOT, lol.  Anyhow, having some reputation as a progression raiding tank means it&#8217;s not as hard as all that to find a group, but if I ever want to DPS I grab a tank from my own guild, so I can sort of feel your pain BBB.  So, the moral of the story?  Bring that glorious BELF (although when you can play a tauren paladin I&#8217;m sure you will&#8230;) over to Stormscale and run with The Herd!  Lol.</p>
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		<title>By: orc shaman</title>
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		<dc:creator>orc shaman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Original post - I&#039;m surprised at anyone who envisioned her paladin as a DPS machine (although they have at times been that in WoW). I&#039;ve known from my D&amp;D days that as a paladin, the trade-off you make for being able to heal yourself (and others) is that you&#039;ll be less fearsome than a warrior in a fight.

@ Lost Apostle - your point is correct, but from your tone do I guess that you play on a PvP server?   :)

@ Bear - you transferred from Dwarf to Belf? That is a betrayal! Although I&#039;m thinking of rolling a Belf paladin myself, but that&#039;s because Horde is where my guild is.

As for the overall point - I sympathise with people who want to DPS when they&#039;re a hybrid class. Personally I&#039;d rather have the group happen and achieve whatever target I have in the instance, than wait around for someone to fill a role I can fill myself. But equally know what a relief it can be to be a pure damage class and avoid any hint that perhaps you&#039;d like to re-spec for the run.

I think the cross-server LFG will make things marginally better for DPSers - if only because it will be more widely used than LFG is now, so you can get on with other stuff while waiting for a group to form. At the moment you realistically have to be sitting in a city, so you can spam the chat channels, even if you are using LFG.
.-= orc shaman&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://orcspirits.blogspot.com/2009/11/one-poor-shaman.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;One poor shaman&lt;/a&gt; =-.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Original post &#8211; I&#8217;m surprised at anyone who envisioned her paladin as a DPS machine (although they have at times been that in WoW). I&#8217;ve known from my D&amp;D days that as a paladin, the trade-off you make for being able to heal yourself (and others) is that you&#8217;ll be less fearsome than a warrior in a fight.</p>
<p>@ Lost Apostle &#8211; your point is correct, but from your tone do I guess that you play on a PvP server?   :)</p>
<p>@ Bear &#8211; you transferred from Dwarf to Belf? That is a betrayal! Although I&#8217;m thinking of rolling a Belf paladin myself, but that&#8217;s because Horde is where my guild is.</p>
<p>As for the overall point &#8211; I sympathise with people who want to DPS when they&#8217;re a hybrid class. Personally I&#8217;d rather have the group happen and achieve whatever target I have in the instance, than wait around for someone to fill a role I can fill myself. But equally know what a relief it can be to be a pure damage class and avoid any hint that perhaps you&#8217;d like to re-spec for the run.</p>
<p>I think the cross-server LFG will make things marginally better for DPSers &#8211; if only because it will be more widely used than LFG is now, so you can get on with other stuff while waiting for a group to form. At the moment you realistically have to be sitting in a city, so you can spam the chat channels, even if you are using LFG.<br />
.-= orc shaman&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://orcspirits.blogspot.com/2009/11/one-poor-shaman.html" rel="nofollow">One poor shaman</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Clapus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clapus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 09:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you really want some PUG fun, get a load of newly minted lvl 80 tanking blues and join lfg as a tank. Then blame the healer after every wipe. I just had to laugh at your post. Some days I just don&#039;t feel like tanking and spend those endless hours in lfg fending off messages of &quot;can you tank?&#039; What I finally had to do is find a casual tank find out what time he got off work and BEG him to do heriocs with me when he plays. We are actually friends now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you really want some PUG fun, get a load of newly minted lvl 80 tanking blues and join lfg as a tank. Then blame the healer after every wipe. I just had to laugh at your post. Some days I just don&#8217;t feel like tanking and spend those endless hours in lfg fending off messages of &#8220;can you tank?&#8217; What I finally had to do is find a casual tank find out what time he got off work and BEG him to do heriocs with me when he plays. We are actually friends now.</p>
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		<title>By: Ablimoth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ablimoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 01:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[New LFG is making my alts (and main) so totally happy.

I&#039;ma level a healer, who only heals instances for the entire lvl 12 (RFC HOYYYY!) to 80. Then I&#039;ll do a tank... and so on and so forth.

I really, really, really can&#039;t wait. Screw ICC, I can farm ToC more. I want 3.3 for the LFG tool!

Help me Obi-Wan GC, bring me the LFG tool!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New LFG is making my alts (and main) so totally happy.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ma level a healer, who only heals instances for the entire lvl 12 (RFC HOYYYY!) to 80. Then I&#8217;ll do a tank&#8230; and so on and so forth.</p>
<p>I really, really, really can&#8217;t wait. Screw ICC, I can farm ToC more. I want 3.3 for the LFG tool!</p>
<p>Help me Obi-Wan GC, bring me the LFG tool!</p>
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		<title>By: Kayllnn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kayllnn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am so excited about the new LFG tool. I have four 80s, and I usually don&#039;t have a problem finding a group with my guild, but I will PuG for a cute pet! I definitely know how you feel, I was forced to heal in raids on my druid forever when I wanted to play as a kitty. But it seems as though every raid is short healers, it sucks because, although I like healing, I also like the choice of what I would like to play for the night.

I have never had an issue where someone asked me to heal if I didn&#039;t mark the heal button, but seriously you feel so guilty that you feel as though you must volunteer! I have tanked a bunch in 5 mans in my kitty spec. Ok that is b/c I have tanking gear that brings me to like 37k hp, but w/e people are desperate, and you have to resist if you truly want to dps! I haven&#039;t learned that lesson yet lol, I just want to get the group going.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so excited about the new LFG tool. I have four 80s, and I usually don&#8217;t have a problem finding a group with my guild, but I will PuG for a cute pet! I definitely know how you feel, I was forced to heal in raids on my druid forever when I wanted to play as a kitty. But it seems as though every raid is short healers, it sucks because, although I like healing, I also like the choice of what I would like to play for the night.</p>
<p>I have never had an issue where someone asked me to heal if I didn&#8217;t mark the heal button, but seriously you feel so guilty that you feel as though you must volunteer! I have tanked a bunch in 5 mans in my kitty spec. Ok that is b/c I have tanking gear that brings me to like 37k hp, but w/e people are desperate, and you have to resist if you truly want to dps! I haven&#8217;t learned that lesson yet lol, I just want to get the group going.</p>
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		<title>By: Lost Apostle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lost Apostle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just had to be said.....  You are a paladin.  You are playing the highest single target healing and highest threat generating tank classe in the game.  Also the lowest melee dps class.  People figured this out a long time ago.  It all happened because people went overboard on pvp and arenas.  Paladins have mediocre damage but can live thru pretty much every thing and cc the crap outta a single target.

If you seriously want it changed you may wanna talk to your other fellow paladins and get your demends on hte bubble down and lay of hands so you can get some dps.  Right now you are paying the penalty of super survivability.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just had to be said&#8230;..  You are a paladin.  You are playing the highest single target healing and highest threat generating tank classe in the game.  Also the lowest melee dps class.  People figured this out a long time ago.  It all happened because people went overboard on pvp and arenas.  Paladins have mediocre damage but can live thru pretty much every thing and cc the crap outta a single target.</p>
<p>If you seriously want it changed you may wanna talk to your other fellow paladins and get your demends on hte bubble down and lay of hands so you can get some dps.  Right now you are paying the penalty of super survivability.</p>
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		<title>By: Copey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Copey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 20:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One thing that has not been mentioned is the ability to be in a more active LFG deal with out having to sit in a major city and spam /trade.  To be able to que up for a heroic, and then do dailies will be awesome I think.  Just being in the current LFG interface (as dps) has me do all my dailies, farm some herbs, go find some other silly thing to do.......and maybe just maybe somebody will invite me.  And normally they do so with out telling me anything in advance...which I find rude.  The ability to be able to just be in there and then BAM when a group is formed and I&#039;m ported there?  AWESOME.  Then, afterward...ported back (I think, I may be wrong) just like the battlegrounds are now, would be great for my limited play time.  It&#039;s multi-tasking made easy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing that has not been mentioned is the ability to be in a more active LFG deal with out having to sit in a major city and spam /trade.  To be able to que up for a heroic, and then do dailies will be awesome I think.  Just being in the current LFG interface (as dps) has me do all my dailies, farm some herbs, go find some other silly thing to do&#8230;&#8230;.and maybe just maybe somebody will invite me.  And normally they do so with out telling me anything in advance&#8230;which I find rude.  The ability to be able to just be in there and then BAM when a group is formed and I&#8217;m ported there?  AWESOME.  Then, afterward&#8230;ported back (I think, I may be wrong) just like the battlegrounds are now, would be great for my limited play time.  It&#8217;s multi-tasking made easy.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@lethal
&lt;i&gt;While levelling everyone goes DPS spec.&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s not true.  My example is one where I am levelling dps, but I have also levelled a resto druid, a prot warrior and, for what it&#039;s worth, a tanking DK.   My main is a feral druid whom I prefer to play in cat form, but am certainly willing to go bear.  My next projects are going to be getting around to levelling a priest &amp; shaman and they will be holy &amp; resto, respectively.  Because I &lt;i&gt;like&lt;/i&gt; healing.  Cross server LFG will be especially welcome for anyone who has tried levelling a healing spec through questing/grinding.  It&#039;s just that tanking and healing toons aren&#039;t going to be the examples from which to draw, &quot;I can never find groups&quot; stories.

I believe you are correct that cross server LFG will not magically change the ratio of dps to tanks/heals in the game.  However, what it &lt;i&gt;will&lt;/i&gt; do, through elegant application of the Law of Large Numbers, is even out the &lt;i&gt;availability&lt;/i&gt; of tanks &amp; healers, especially for those of us who play at odd hours.

I do agree with you that those of us (and admittedly, I often find myself in the camp) who believe cross server LFG will solve all our instance running woes are deluding ourselves to a degree.  We&#039;re hoping it will be as awesome as the WSG queue while conveniently ignoring that at levels 71-79 we could sometimes be queued up for Isle of Conquest all night without getting into a BG.

So yeah, in my more rational moments I can recognize it&#039;s not going to be a cure all . . . but I&#039;m betting it will be a huge improvement.

I totally disagree with you that hybrid classes who can heal or tank have some sort of resonsibility to do so.  We play this game to have fun, right?  If I do not find healing to be enjoyable, why do I have a responsibility to make myself miserable anyway just so someone else can enjoy his game?  I mean, personally, I do like healing.  Sometimes, I even enjoy tanking.  But other times, I just want to go blow stuff up.  If I want to heal, I&#039;ll go play my resto druid.  If I want to tank, I&#039;ll go play my prot warrior.  When I&#039;m in the queue as dps, it&#039;s because I feel like fahrin&#039; mah lazers!!!!!  Know what I mean?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@lethal<br />
<i>While levelling everyone goes DPS spec.</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s not true.  My example is one where I am levelling dps, but I have also levelled a resto druid, a prot warrior and, for what it&#8217;s worth, a tanking DK.   My main is a feral druid whom I prefer to play in cat form, but am certainly willing to go bear.  My next projects are going to be getting around to levelling a priest &amp; shaman and they will be holy &amp; resto, respectively.  Because I <i>like</i> healing.  Cross server LFG will be especially welcome for anyone who has tried levelling a healing spec through questing/grinding.  It&#8217;s just that tanking and healing toons aren&#8217;t going to be the examples from which to draw, &#8220;I can never find groups&#8221; stories.</p>
<p>I believe you are correct that cross server LFG will not magically change the ratio of dps to tanks/heals in the game.  However, what it <i>will</i> do, through elegant application of the Law of Large Numbers, is even out the <i>availability</i> of tanks &amp; healers, especially for those of us who play at odd hours.</p>
<p>I do agree with you that those of us (and admittedly, I often find myself in the camp) who believe cross server LFG will solve all our instance running woes are deluding ourselves to a degree.  We&#8217;re hoping it will be as awesome as the WSG queue while conveniently ignoring that at levels 71-79 we could sometimes be queued up for Isle of Conquest all night without getting into a BG.</p>
<p>So yeah, in my more rational moments I can recognize it&#8217;s not going to be a cure all . . . but I&#8217;m betting it will be a huge improvement.</p>
<p>I totally disagree with you that hybrid classes who can heal or tank have some sort of resonsibility to do so.  We play this game to have fun, right?  If I do not find healing to be enjoyable, why do I have a responsibility to make myself miserable anyway just so someone else can enjoy his game?  I mean, personally, I do like healing.  Sometimes, I even enjoy tanking.  But other times, I just want to go blow stuff up.  If I want to heal, I&#8217;ll go play my resto druid.  If I want to tank, I&#8217;ll go play my prot warrior.  When I&#8217;m in the queue as dps, it&#8217;s because I feel like fahrin&#8217; mah lazers!!!!!  Know what I mean?</p>
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