Yeah, that’s right. I said “You people”.
Now, maybe you ain’t one of the actual people that make me bugnuts. Chances are, if you’re on a blog looking for advice, and it’s a blog that pretends to mostly talk about tanking, maybe, just maybe, you’re open to suggestions or are looking to improve your tanking skills.
If you are, God bless you.
You’re free to climb out of the bucket. Provisionally.
But holy shit!
Or, as Cassie said this last weekend, “Okay, all the morons and stupid little children are home from school for the holidays. Time to stop pugging.”
I had heard… I’d even sometimes seen… but never, never had I imagined the complete and absolute collapse of skill and sense in PUGs like what we dealt with last weekend.
Just… how the hell? I’m not even talking about a single person, or people from all one guild, or even people from just one server. I’m sure we all expect to run into the oblivious on occasion.
I mean an endless perfect storm of jerkwads.
Here is the worst run that I stayed in. I left more than a few that were just incredible fails of blamefests, but I stayed in this one, and it was amazing to the end. In a “surely at some point things will change, and I want to be there when it happens” kind of way.
Complete random PUG, zoned into Nexus, and I was queued as Healer.
I actually prefer to tank, I really do, but if I’m going to tank, I like to know who my healer is. So, usually in a pure 100% PUG I’ll go as heals.
I like to think that, hey, things may suck, but at least I know there will be good heals. Elitist? Arrogant? Sure, I’ll own that. All I know is I’ve carried some pretty amazing failpugs just by overhealing idiots that think Rogues can consistently Tank, and Hunters that don’t know what Feign Death is.
Sadly, I’ve also run in failpugs where I felt grateful that our Rogue COULD tank, because the actual tank was just a complete… no, let’s not go there.
But this one… I’m there as heals, and we zone in, it’s Nexus.
The tank instantly leaves.
You’re queued as a tank and you bail on Nexus? What a lazy prick. If you want something specific, queue for something specific. If you just don’t like Nexus… come on, the instance takes less time to run than the deserter debuff does to wear off.
And if you bail, it better not be out of fear… they don’t GET much easier than Nexus.
Anyway, we try for more, and I see that the Priest is queueing as Heals/DPS.
So I say, and hold onto your laughter, I say “I’ll tell you what. It’s easier to fill DPS. I’ll tank if you switch to heals.”
Off we go.
It’s a bit slow, but we do the first few pulls and it’s okay. My only initial concern is, I notice that we’ve got two melee DPS, and both are running up to stand next to me to fight. Not behind the enemy, but right next to me in the enemy’s face.
I politely, gently, quite considerately suggest that if they move behind the mobs to DPS, then the mobs can’t Parry their attacks, and their damage will go up.
Both of them are from different servers. Both of them are melee. Neither of them ever acknowledge I said anything, and neither ever moves behind the mobs. The whole run.
This sets the pace for the entire run.
- Nobody kills the targets I assign.
- Nobody moves behind the mobs if melee.
- Nobody gets out of Whirlwind on the first boss.
- Nobody kills the Portals but me.
- Nobody gets out of the ice spikes but me.
- Nobody moves to remove the cold debuff but me.
I offer advice, suggestions, they all fall on deaf eyes. They do nothing whatsover but spam buttons, move as little as possible, and get carried by me and the healer. The healer, who increasingly through the run is getting bitchy from healing people who are making no effort whatsoever to do things… well, as if they gave a shit.
At the end of the run, boss dead, longest damn Anomalous fight I’ve ever seen (since I’m the only bastard killing portals)….
And the DPS of the group is like this;
- 2100+ DPS Me (the tank)
- 1000 DPS
- 1000 DPS
- 900+ DPS
- 125 DPS (healer)
Now, I have no problem with people having low DPS. As I said before, you don’t get much easier than Nexus. If you’re looking to learn how to play as a newly dinged 80, then Nexus is the place to be.
But if you are a brand new level 80 looking to play as DPS… what in the name of all that’s holy brings you to just completely phone in your gameplay? If you have no intention of making an effort, or paying any attention to the rest of the group, why are you even here?
Just flat out refused to get behind the mobs. As though I were somehow lying about the effects of Dodge. And ignoring kill order… not as if I ever had to worry about them pulling aggro, but it sure would have been nice if there was some focused DPS so that the mobs went down a little faster. You know, like the ones that can heal?
Sure, I know people are too leet to think that kill targets should apply to them, even after I ask that they follow my kill order. And I suppose that people are too special to listen to the advice of anyone else, like kill portals first, even when they’ve got a little skull on top, because hey, who the hell am I as the tank to tell other people what to do? I should keep my mouth zipped and be a nice little Mangle-bot.
But if you are so damn special you need to go do your own thing and to hell with everyone else…
If you really do know everything already…
At least cough up more than 900 DPS. Just sayin’.
Okay, now that I got that out of my system, here’s the real frustration from the weekend.
An ever growing tendency for tanks to cop an attitude.
Now, this probably sounds hilarious after the attitude I, the tank, just displayed on the blog. Bear with me a moment.
I’m serious. I don’t mean a nice ‘take charge and git ‘er done’ kind of thing that in bad lighting might be mistaken for leadership, I mean a pissy little 8 year old elitist prick kind of thing.
Tanks that can’t hold aggro, refuse to mark targets, pull too much stuff and don’t actually aggro any of it except their one main target and let the others run off willy nilly on everyone else… and then type all in caps “omigod the dps sux, healer u sux, piss off losers” and leaves group.
Or get into arguments, I kid you not, over who did what. And refuse to go further until they’ve blamed someone else for whatever it is.
I never thought I’d see the day when a group degenerated into “Did you pull those mobs?” “No, you did!” “Did not!” Did so!”
Example; After Ick in Heroic Pit of Saron, those two groups of mobs heading up the hill with the Flamewraiths. Tank, no marks, no attempts at holding aggro on multiple spellcasters, just runs and guns into the center mob. Has no aggro on half the mobs, mobs run free, both Flamers are bursting, party wipes. Second shot, same as the first, party wipes. Third shot, same as the first, but the second group farther up the hill also gets pulled. Group wipes.
Tank stops dead, and begins to demand to know who pulled the other group. “Allright, who pulled that group? Who was it? I want to know who it was!”
Can someone tell me what earthly difference it makes? The tank is incompetent, and hasn’t attempted to change his style yet, so who cares if the second group was pulled or not?
Rogue says, “I dunno, maybe it was my Fan of Knives.”
Tank chews the Rogue out. Chews. The. Rogue. Out.
Next time, tank doesn’t do any different, but the DPS all focus on the Flamewraiths and then the main mob that chain casts Deathbolts, they basically get it done despite the tank.
Are you kidding me?
“I won’t tank this group unless everyone likes country music same as me.”
“I like country.”
“Me too, let’s go.”
“Wait, hey you, Hunter, what kind of country do you like?”
“Chris LeDoux rodeo style.”
“That ain’t the right kind of country for me, I vote to kick the hunter.”
Are we in high school now? WTF?!?
Cassie is doing Oculus. She’s grown to like Oculus. No, really, I kid her over it, but it’s true.
On the final dragon fight, flying high overhead, her group wipes.
The tank begins demanding to know who had a ten stack up on the boss and never triggered their ability to consume it. There were three yellow drakes on the run, Cassie on one of them. She prefers the yellow, she likes them and knows them well.
Me, I like green. Dot dot dot….
I kid you not, the tank (on a red drake) demands to know which yellow didn’t trigger their ten stack. He’s adamant, he saw a ten stack up and unconsumed, and by God, and he’s not going any further until he knows who it was!
And the DPS cater to this little tantrum, by chiming in saying, “Well I used MY ability, it wasn’t me!” “Well, I know I used MY ability, it wasn’t me either!”
Cassie, actually being an adult, isn’t even acknowledging this complete loserfest.
So the tank announces, “It must have been Cass then!”
The logic for this, apparently, being that she didn’t defend herself, so she must be guilty, and hanging her head in shame before the monitor.
The others gang up on Cass. “Yeah, it must have been Cass. You suck, noob.”
Are you really serious?
In her second random heroic of the day, she got TOC.
The group mounts up and the talking starts.
The tank yells, ”Geez, you did the long intro, you noob.”
An argument immediately breaks out. Can you guess why?
The argument follows;
“I did not, I wasn’t even near the guy.”
“Wasn’t me, must have been player x.”
“Nope, wasn’t me, must have been Cass.” (who again was not participating in the argument).
This time she lost her patience for this type of behavior, informed them they were acting like children, and left the party.
These are stories not meant to showcase two individual runs, but to serve as an example of what I’m seeing in more groups in general, and with the tanks in particular lately… rude little pricks.
Tanks especially, the short group wait time seriously seems to be causing some of them to think their shit doesn’t stink.
That they really are, somehow, more important than, or more special than, other players.
If that’s you, this is your wakeup call.
I don’t give a good goddamn who you THINK you are, what your gearscore is, how short a wait you get, or if you think that the groups all revolve around your tiniest whim and if you are the slightest bit displeased, somebody better start soothing your ruffled feathers or you shall no longer grace the group with the awesomesauce of your presence.
If you really think that, as the tank, you deserve to have your ass kissed by the rest of the party if they expect to do a run, then I’ve got startling news for you, sister mary sunshine. And it’s NOT that you can save money by switching to Geico.
You deserve the same politeness and consideration as every other player that pays their money to play. No more, and no less.
If you’re going to be a dick right out of the starting gate, then you deserve much less.
I surely hope that this is a blip on the bubble. I hope that this is not indicative of a growing trend, and we’re going to see a lot more of this.
I’ll be the first to say, if you don’t like the people you meet in PUGs, then don’t pug.
But on the other hand, there are lots of great people that I know are out there, and if you don’t pug, you’ll never see them. I’d hate to have that happen.
Just yesterday, I had a great pug.
I had the best pug of the weekend when I healed a Culling of Strat with 3 people from my own server, strangers, from a guild named Vampires.
They were very, very good, and very, very nice.
The fact that we had a hunter that was afk 75% of the instance only shows how crappy the other pugs were that this one was my best, and also shows that just because one person is an idiot, it doesn’t mean the rest of the party should necessarily suffer for it. We four-personed most of the run, and it went well. Got the extra boss, etcetera. Joked a little. Good times.
I just hope, I really hope that things will return to a more polite, considerate feel. Or that the weekend was, as Cassie suggested, a fluke based on the holiday break.
We all play WoW. This should be something that serves to pull us together against the outsiders that think we’re crazy. We start stabbing each other verbally out of general pissyness, and things are going to get a whole lot uglier.
Regardless, Gabriel and his Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory does seem to feel more like a proven law than a theory at this point.