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		<title>By: Qwicksylver</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2009/12/31/some-discussion-about-bear-threat-and-faerie-fire/comment-page-1/#comment-36273</link>
		<dc:creator>Qwicksylver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 21:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have learned over time that everyone tanks differently.  Dps mostly is all identical, we all use generally the same rotations just different buttons.  I recently started using Charge and Demo Roar.  I dont know how you feel about Demo Roar, but I have noticed that when I charge and demo roar, i am able to get a head of the Aoefests that follow my dps.  I macro&#039;ed my Mangle and lacerate together and my swipe and maul together.  I have noticed threat has been significantly easier to stay of ahead of now that am a little more geared.  I recently re talented and found a significant raise in my dps.  up from 1.1k to about 1.7 - 2k.  I always feel that Bear form needs the same boosted Threat that Defense Stance, Rite Fury and Frost Presence.  My toolbar is insane, I have a bunch of buttons on my L1 aggroed to keys near my numbers like my R,F,D,A and T  I can mouse and strafe so no need for them to be on my keys.  Anyways I like the info about FFF I will start using that on that one caster that I just cannot aggro instead of running out to him and losing my melee aggro to the melees.  Thanks for info BBB.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have learned over time that everyone tanks differently.  Dps mostly is all identical, we all use generally the same rotations just different buttons.  I recently started using Charge and Demo Roar.  I dont know how you feel about Demo Roar, but I have noticed that when I charge and demo roar, i am able to get a head of the Aoefests that follow my dps.  I macro&#8217;ed my Mangle and lacerate together and my swipe and maul together.  I have noticed threat has been significantly easier to stay of ahead of now that am a little more geared.  I recently re talented and found a significant raise in my dps.  up from 1.1k to about 1.7 &#8211; 2k.  I always feel that Bear form needs the same boosted Threat that Defense Stance, Rite Fury and Frost Presence.  My toolbar is insane, I have a bunch of buttons on my L1 aggroed to keys near my numbers like my R,F,D,A and T  I can mouse and strafe so no need for them to be on my keys.  Anyways I like the info about FFF I will start using that on that one caster that I just cannot aggro instead of running out to him and losing my melee aggro to the melees.  Thanks for info BBB.</p>
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		<title>By: Tahsou</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2009/12/31/some-discussion-about-bear-threat-and-faerie-fire/comment-page-1/#comment-35154</link>
		<dc:creator>Tahsou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2010 07:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bearbutt, a paw up for u, I myself am a clicker on my bear ^^I play several classes with macroes but happy with my bear clicking, find it effisient and easy, also wants to tankzy u for all ure good tips and tricks, vent in a few weeks from newly dinged terrifyed tanking bear in heroics to Lich King ^^all thanks to u a solid bear today with mutch still to learn but Im gething there , paws up guys and girls. Still training on Lich *grin*]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bearbutt, a paw up for u, I myself am a clicker on my bear ^^I play several classes with macroes but happy with my bear clicking, find it effisient and easy, also wants to tankzy u for all ure good tips and tricks, vent in a few weeks from newly dinged terrifyed tanking bear in heroics to Lich King ^^all thanks to u a solid bear today with mutch still to learn but Im gething there , paws up guys and girls. Still training on Lich *grin*</p>
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		<title>By: Gingiber</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2009/12/31/some-discussion-about-bear-threat-and-faerie-fire/comment-page-1/#comment-31294</link>
		<dc:creator>Gingiber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 06:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey, BBB!  I am a brand spankin new bear, and want to thank you so much for getting me on the ball!  With the help of your wisdom and insights, I went from dinging 80 and being a terrified newly bear specced tree to tanking Ony and the ICC 5 mans in a week! :D

I don&#039;t have much experience with macros, but with all the reading I have been doing about bears lately, they have been on my mind...  I loved, loved, loved the idea of your FFF macro as I was struggling with how to control pulls with casters spread out...  I ran into some frustration though, in that sometimes when I pull an all melee group, I have to focus one of them or use a normal FFF button.  It seemed silly to me to have 2 pretty pink buttons, so I wracked my poor untrained mind on how to make the macro do what I want--and here is my (now obvious) simple solution:

#showtooltip Faerie Fire (Feral)
/clearfocus [modifier:alt][target=focus,dead][target=focus,help][target=focus,noexists]
/cast [target=focus, exists, nodead, harm][target=target] Faerie Fire (Feral)

It has the exact functionality of your macro, with the exception that in the absence of a living mob set as my focus, it will cast FFF on my current target.  It seems nice both for those all melee pulls when I don&#039;t want to focus a mob, and when a new ranged mob pops into combat and I want to get it under control NAO rather than after I have used a focus macro.

Sorry for the rambling--it&#039;s past bedtime but I realized the fix I was searching for and hope that it might benefit someone else.

Thanks again for straightforward advice on learning to be a good growly bear.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, BBB!  I am a brand spankin new bear, and want to thank you so much for getting me on the ball!  With the help of your wisdom and insights, I went from dinging 80 and being a terrified newly bear specced tree to tanking Ony and the ICC 5 mans in a week! :D</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have much experience with macros, but with all the reading I have been doing about bears lately, they have been on my mind&#8230;  I loved, loved, loved the idea of your FFF macro as I was struggling with how to control pulls with casters spread out&#8230;  I ran into some frustration though, in that sometimes when I pull an all melee group, I have to focus one of them or use a normal FFF button.  It seemed silly to me to have 2 pretty pink buttons, so I wracked my poor untrained mind on how to make the macro do what I want&#8211;and here is my (now obvious) simple solution:</p>
<p>#showtooltip Faerie Fire (Feral)<br />
/clearfocus [modifier:alt][target=focus,dead][target=focus,help][target=focus,noexists]<br />
/cast [target=focus, exists, nodead, harm][target=target] Faerie Fire (Feral)</p>
<p>It has the exact functionality of your macro, with the exception that in the absence of a living mob set as my focus, it will cast FFF on my current target.  It seems nice both for those all melee pulls when I don&#8217;t want to focus a mob, and when a new ranged mob pops into combat and I want to get it under control NAO rather than after I have used a focus macro.</p>
<p>Sorry for the rambling&#8211;it&#8217;s past bedtime but I realized the fix I was searching for and hope that it might benefit someone else.</p>
<p>Thanks again for straightforward advice on learning to be a good growly bear.</p>
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		<title>By: Scrappiejr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scrappiejr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 06:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i dont even have maul on my bar, instead i have it macro&#039;d in for example, simple 2 line macro for my mangle

/cast Mangle (Bear)(Rank 5)
/cast Maul(Rank 10)

same with my lacerate]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i dont even have maul on my bar, instead i have it macro&#8217;d in for example, simple 2 line macro for my mangle</p>
<p>/cast Mangle (Bear)(Rank 5)<br />
/cast Maul(Rank 10)</p>
<p>same with my lacerate</p>
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		<title>By: Viv</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2009/12/31/some-discussion-about-bear-threat-and-faerie-fire/comment-page-1/#comment-27367</link>
		<dc:creator>Viv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 03:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just tanked my first heroic the other night, and it went very smoothly.  Thanks, BBB.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just tanked my first heroic the other night, and it went very smoothly.  Thanks, BBB.</p>
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		<title>By: Skippy</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2009/12/31/some-discussion-about-bear-threat-and-faerie-fire/comment-page-1/#comment-25175</link>
		<dc:creator>Skippy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 15:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the best macro in the game has to be....
/p or /ra &quot;DPS&quot; If you DONT want to DIE real quick..count to 3 before attacking...and only attack my mark...

oh ! btw this has to be one of the best bear tank sites around ..has improved my game playby 100% 

thnx]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the best macro in the game has to be&#8230;.<br />
/p or /ra &#8220;DPS&#8221; If you DONT want to DIE real quick..count to 3 before attacking&#8230;and only attack my mark&#8230;</p>
<p>oh ! btw this has to be one of the best bear tank sites around ..has improved my game playby 100% </p>
<p>thnx</p>
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		<title>By: Famo</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2009/12/31/some-discussion-about-bear-threat-and-faerie-fire/comment-page-1/#comment-25149</link>
		<dc:creator>Famo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 23:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[bubble... bubble. not nubble]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bubble&#8230; bubble. not nubble</p>
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		<title>By: Famo</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2009/12/31/some-discussion-about-bear-threat-and-faerie-fire/comment-page-1/#comment-25148</link>
		<dc:creator>Famo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 23:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No nubble procs of critical lacterate ticks, unfortunately.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No nubble procs of critical lacterate ticks, unfortunately.</p>
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		<title>By: Caelean</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2009/12/31/some-discussion-about-bear-threat-and-faerie-fire/comment-page-1/#comment-25137</link>
		<dc:creator>Caelean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 18:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Morphster:   As bears, we really only have two &quot;panic buttons&quot;.  We&#039;ve got barkskin, and glyph&#039;ed Frenzied Regeneration.    Both of them make you easier to heal, and improve the odds your healer will &quot;catch up&quot; or heal you past a burst.  I use Barkskin on it&#039;s own button for this generally.

I don&#039;t generally use Frenzied Regen by itself since it&#039;s on a 3-minute cooldown, and I haven&#039;t seen a reason to split it out.

Survival Instincts is great and all, but my experience is that if a healer can&#039;t keep your health up, giving them another 25k to burn through isn&#039;t going to help.  And then you die when Survival Instincts expires.  There are a few cases where the healer can be disabled or go out of range, and then &quot;catch up&quot; if you pop Survival Instincts, but against a harder hitting boss, either you&#039;re getting heals or you&#039;re dead.

But Frenzied Regen combined with Survival Instincts means that the healer has an easier time to heal you back up, and you contribute 25k or so of your own health to the process.  And conveniently enough, Survival Instincts is also on a 3 minute cooldown.

So SI/FR works for me as a great once (perhaps twice) per combat panic button.  

Since it&#039;s a &quot;panic button&quot;, throwing in the healing potions (and the Endless one is free), Healthstone, and trinkets just makes sense to me.  And they get the additive effect of the Glyphed Frenzied Regen.  Individually, they aren&#039;t enough to worry about and by the time they were clicked one at a time, I&#039;d either be dead or healed fully, I&#039;d expect.  (And the article you link to mentions combining them with SI.)

Putting the Barkskin at the beginning is just gravy.  If your healer really is out of range, that might reduce incoming damage enough to get things back to stable.  But it isn&#039;t a big deal if Barkskin is on cooldown either before or after the panic button.  I just haven&#039;t been in any fights where Barkskin timed with a bosses ability is the primary difference in surviving; so burning it during an emergency doesn&#039;t bother me.  That may change as I get further into ICC.

But the biggest role of the panic button macro is for when your healer DC&#039;s (or does something else stupid) in the middle of a 5-man boss, and you need to survive.  Then burning all your healing abilities (since no more healing is ever coming in) while you&#039;ve got FR up maximizes those.  And I assume that&#039;s all the healing I&#039;m getting.  And 10-20 seconds of that is enough to kill most bosses outside of the new Icecrown instances.  (We 4-manned the first boss of Halls of Stone the other night with me and 3 pure DPS and the panic button halfway through.)

So the panic button isn&#039;t for &quot;graceful communication with your healer managing the ebb and flow of healing and health during the fight&quot;.  It&#039;s for &quot;OMG, I&#039;m about to die because something is WRONG.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Morphster:   As bears, we really only have two &#8220;panic buttons&#8221;.  We&#8217;ve got barkskin, and glyph&#8217;ed Frenzied Regeneration.    Both of them make you easier to heal, and improve the odds your healer will &#8220;catch up&#8221; or heal you past a burst.  I use Barkskin on it&#8217;s own button for this generally.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t generally use Frenzied Regen by itself since it&#8217;s on a 3-minute cooldown, and I haven&#8217;t seen a reason to split it out.</p>
<p>Survival Instincts is great and all, but my experience is that if a healer can&#8217;t keep your health up, giving them another 25k to burn through isn&#8217;t going to help.  And then you die when Survival Instincts expires.  There are a few cases where the healer can be disabled or go out of range, and then &#8220;catch up&#8221; if you pop Survival Instincts, but against a harder hitting boss, either you&#8217;re getting heals or you&#8217;re dead.</p>
<p>But Frenzied Regen combined with Survival Instincts means that the healer has an easier time to heal you back up, and you contribute 25k or so of your own health to the process.  And conveniently enough, Survival Instincts is also on a 3 minute cooldown.</p>
<p>So SI/FR works for me as a great once (perhaps twice) per combat panic button.  </p>
<p>Since it&#8217;s a &#8220;panic button&#8221;, throwing in the healing potions (and the Endless one is free), Healthstone, and trinkets just makes sense to me.  And they get the additive effect of the Glyphed Frenzied Regen.  Individually, they aren&#8217;t enough to worry about and by the time they were clicked one at a time, I&#8217;d either be dead or healed fully, I&#8217;d expect.  (And the article you link to mentions combining them with SI.)</p>
<p>Putting the Barkskin at the beginning is just gravy.  If your healer really is out of range, that might reduce incoming damage enough to get things back to stable.  But it isn&#8217;t a big deal if Barkskin is on cooldown either before or after the panic button.  I just haven&#8217;t been in any fights where Barkskin timed with a bosses ability is the primary difference in surviving; so burning it during an emergency doesn&#8217;t bother me.  That may change as I get further into ICC.</p>
<p>But the biggest role of the panic button macro is for when your healer DC&#8217;s (or does something else stupid) in the middle of a 5-man boss, and you need to survive.  Then burning all your healing abilities (since no more healing is ever coming in) while you&#8217;ve got FR up maximizes those.  And I assume that&#8217;s all the healing I&#8217;m getting.  And 10-20 seconds of that is enough to kill most bosses outside of the new Icecrown instances.  (We 4-manned the first boss of Halls of Stone the other night with me and 3 pure DPS and the panic button halfway through.)</p>
<p>So the panic button isn&#8217;t for &#8220;graceful communication with your healer managing the ebb and flow of healing and health during the fight&#8221;.  It&#8217;s for &#8220;OMG, I&#8217;m about to die because something is WRONG.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Kaethir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kaethir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 13:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m a half-clicker...

I keep my most-used abilities in numbers 1-6... which I can, for the most part, comfortably reach from the WASD keys.  I move with those.  I also have a fairly high-buttoned mouse and an addon to bind abilities to each button.... which I mostly only use for healing.  For tanking though, I get by with pretty much those 6-ish abilities and clicking when I need the rest.

For healing, I use grid and clique...  too hard to do otherwise, IMO.
.-= Kaethir&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://abearinthetrees.blogspot.com/2010/01/lifes-little-joys.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Life&#039;s Little Joys&lt;/a&gt; =-.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a half-clicker&#8230;</p>
<p>I keep my most-used abilities in numbers 1-6&#8230; which I can, for the most part, comfortably reach from the WASD keys.  I move with those.  I also have a fairly high-buttoned mouse and an addon to bind abilities to each button&#8230;. which I mostly only use for healing.  For tanking though, I get by with pretty much those 6-ish abilities and clicking when I need the rest.</p>
<p>For healing, I use grid and clique&#8230;  too hard to do otherwise, IMO.<br />
.-= Kaethir&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://abearinthetrees.blogspot.com/2010/01/lifes-little-joys.html" rel="nofollow">Life&#8217;s Little Joys</a> =-.</p>
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