In a sense, keeping as close to the 15m mark so you can requeue right after you’re done makes Emblem farming way easier, regardless of how many bosses you kill in the instance.

Example:

Assuming you have your frost daily out of the way, Running 2 HOKs back to back due to random in 15 is better than spending 25-30m for the extra 3 emblems. 4+4 = 8 in ~30m as opposed to 7+7 = 14 in ~ 1h which is 7 per 30m. 1 emblem off, but assuming you are power grinding heroics for emblems the long run helps.

If time constraints aren’t an issue, then disregard everything I say >.> however I have to pump 4 80s through the daily, none of them need triumph emblems anymore, if anything the gems they feed help a bit or the pvp gear for pvp fun. I want to spend as little time in heroics as possible.

However, on my server people tend to Need on Holiday gear that drops from bosses that they need the achievement for. Need is for “I don’t have this achievement this item will get me.” Greed is for “I have one already, but this is a different color I would like.” Pass is for “I don’t want it.” Granted, if I saw everyone Greeding, I would ask to make sure. In fact, I did ask in previous Holidays. This system makes sense to me. (And, obviously all the people I have grouped with in previous holidays.) The couple of random groups for this Holiday where I’ve wound up in UK worked the same way, even with people not in my server. I lost several Roses to other people who also Needed, congratulated them, and no one said anything about “Why did you need?”

I was in a dungeon the other day with a group of friends (4 of us total) and a random tank. We all Needed the Roses, being used to that. The tank Need as well. The tank went on endlessly about how we tried to ninja him. He said he Needed as well, having “waited to make sure no one would ninja”. He didn’t seem to take the “that’s just what we do… and we are _glad_ you Needed with us, honest” for an answer. After that, he complained bitterly and horribly about our hunter so constantly and so obnoxiously — even trying to kick him from the group — that the group kicked him. We assumed he was just a childish jerk.

I’ll generally quite happily skip things as long as its a group decision and not just one person trying to railroad everyone else. However, especially on my tank, people will spend so long arguing you’re better off clearing the extra bosses because it wil probably be faster. I know for a fact I can do the crystallus trash in only a couple pulls and be killing the boss inside a couple mins, and the same is true for maiden. Thats pretty quick imo.

I also tend to avoid helping people with their classes. Just because more often than not it’ll turn into an arguement :s

First off, on skipping bosses – As a tank, healer and DPS, if someone wants the bosses, I usually have no issues killing them. That being said, though, if all you want are the extra badges, skipping bosses usually nets you more badges as long as you keep re-queueing, as the ‘optional’ bosses can take 15 minutes to do on their own (see HoK, HHoS).

Secondly, on getting the achievements – remember that you can get 30 of the tokens a day – which makes it very easy to get all of the necessary ones for the meta – the exceptions are “I pitied the fool” and the bouquet of roses, and even those are easy enough to do, if you have the will.

On ninja-ing etc, I go with the “if you need it, need it rule”, and also I make a point of completing an instance even (especially) after I get my drop. I think that BBB is correct in calling out the type of idiocy that he observed.

Thankfully, I had all the achievements done from last year, except for Peddlefeet, so I just did some dailies and got it. For those of you who did not get a chance to use these methods – you can now get charms from groups / raids even if you don’t get the killing blow, as long as the enemy can give XP (i.e. is green and not a “poof” mob like the skeletons in Before the Citadel)

I ask every tank to take the shorter route in long instances. 2 boss OK run, 2 boss HoS, skipping mobs in any possible situation. In all honesty, it’s about timing. You as a tank have an instant que (I have 2 tanks and I LOVE it), so getting 4 emblems in 10m instead of 7 in 30 is a pretty good trade off, especially if the rest of the group just wants their daily done and then you get an instant que when you’re out. However, to better counteract this “skip to last boss” phase we’re all going through, they should force people to kill EVERY boss in the instance.
I have to go through 4 80s myself with daily randoms, so I can understand when people just want to get in and out and on to their next toon for their emblems.
What I CANNOT stand is when DPS expect to pitied.
Last night I walked into a group and my EG came up (ElitistGroup, get it, it helps the LFG community that uses it, so the more that use the more notes we can go off of) and told me the “dps” frost DK had 0/68/3 and average ilvl of 190. First thing I think, new 80 and must not know his class. I figure I’ll help him out if he needs it and I say “Don’t take this offensively, but you may want to revise your talents.” Now, I don’t know about you, but this doesn’t sound like a terrible comment at all. I figure I’m talking to a new player with a spec like that, who wouldn’t? He’s response is “I’m a tank but I don’t have the gear to tank heroics yet, do you have a problem with that?” It’s at this point that the tanking DK says, “Yes, looking at the meters…” I chuckle to myself IRL, but this guy just wont stop bashing at me, telling me to mind my own toons and, being the big man he is, pulls out his big fat epeen with a “I have 5 80s, I’m no noob”.

This gets my gf angry that he’s arguing with me when I only want to help. which is in direct violation of LFG rule #2: Don’t piss off the healer. Needless to say that guy didn’t get ressed when he died, and was kicked before we got halfway to Anomalous(sp?).

I HATE PUGS! Sorry, had to say that.

@Nightwhisp + Chiraa
On my DK tank I’ve had it the other way. The healer demanded (yeah, no asking or saying please – DEMANDING we did it his way) we skip maiden and stoney and do the escort. I’m there for the badges and I haven’t had dinner yet so I refused to tank and sat at the start of the instance refusing to budge. As it happens the DPS warrior had almost a full tanking set. After all the QQ (and my dinner) they did the event without me and I calmly votekicked the healer once his debuff ran out and people autoaccepted. They still had adds up and all of them bar the hunter died and dropped group. I then picked up 2 more dps and a healer almost instantly and cleared the rest very quickly.

I both love and hate the vote kick system. But, when you’re playing with a real asshat its nice to have a button that makes them waste 15mins of their life. I even know a tank who deliberately kicks the assholes before he pulls the last boss of an heroic.