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		<title>By: Redbowl</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2010/02/16/can-another-mmo-compete-with-wows-community/comment-page-1/#comment-27570</link>
		<dc:creator>Redbowl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 18:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Beginning this with a side note, I played EQ, loved the idea of rangers from half-assed D&amp;D attempts(my friends were way too &quot;cool&quot; for that for the most part), but could never make it past the 20s-30s.  It affected me so little in my 6-month attempt at doing well(yes I played everyday for 6 mos and only made it that far), that I can&#039;t even remember my characters name.  It turned me off of MMOs so bad that I didn&#039;t come back till I tried WoW about 2 months before they nerfed the BC raids in preparation for Wrath.

I would give up my 360, WoW, and any other electronic gaming products I owned and sign an affidavit that I will never use them again for a Starcraft MMO.

First, I enjoyed Starcraft far more than Warcraft, despite the fact that I feel the D&amp;D/Tolkien-esque type world is more intriguing.  

Second, who better to build a WoW-killer than the creators of WoW.  They have a pretty good handle on what works, and what doesn&#039;t.  They could also gain a lot of initial community by allowing some sort of deal for switching from to WoS(World of Starcraft, although I think Starcraft Galaxy or something like that sounds better), or a deal for combined subscriptions.  This would be akin to allowing addicts being H to shoot up while on methadone.  

My main concern is that if they ever did make WoS/SG, it would be a WoW clone set in the future with pretty graphics, with all the same positives...and negatives.  My minor concern is a lack of appropriate character types for classes and races.  You&#039;ve got Protoss, Terran, Zerg(are they even sentient on an individual basis?).  Terrans have a few realistic classes, but past Marines, Firebats, and Zealots, you start running out of options.(I don&#039;t even consider any Zerg classes viable as playable race characters)  How can you scale a Dragoon down to a Marines level, or a Firebat up to a Templar.  

Still, I want it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beginning this with a side note, I played EQ, loved the idea of rangers from half-assed D&amp;D attempts(my friends were way too &#8220;cool&#8221; for that for the most part), but could never make it past the 20s-30s.  It affected me so little in my 6-month attempt at doing well(yes I played everyday for 6 mos and only made it that far), that I can&#8217;t even remember my characters name.  It turned me off of MMOs so bad that I didn&#8217;t come back till I tried WoW about 2 months before they nerfed the BC raids in preparation for Wrath.</p>
<p>I would give up my 360, WoW, and any other electronic gaming products I owned and sign an affidavit that I will never use them again for a Starcraft MMO.</p>
<p>First, I enjoyed Starcraft far more than Warcraft, despite the fact that I feel the D&amp;D/Tolkien-esque type world is more intriguing.  </p>
<p>Second, who better to build a WoW-killer than the creators of WoW.  They have a pretty good handle on what works, and what doesn&#8217;t.  They could also gain a lot of initial community by allowing some sort of deal for switching from to WoS(World of Starcraft, although I think Starcraft Galaxy or something like that sounds better), or a deal for combined subscriptions.  This would be akin to allowing addicts being H to shoot up while on methadone.  </p>
<p>My main concern is that if they ever did make WoS/SG, it would be a WoW clone set in the future with pretty graphics, with all the same positives&#8230;and negatives.  My minor concern is a lack of appropriate character types for classes and races.  You&#8217;ve got Protoss, Terran, Zerg(are they even sentient on an individual basis?).  Terrans have a few realistic classes, but past Marines, Firebats, and Zealots, you start running out of options.(I don&#8217;t even consider any Zerg classes viable as playable race characters)  How can you scale a Dragoon down to a Marines level, or a Firebat up to a Templar.  </p>
<p>Still, I want it.</p>
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		<title>By: Klinger</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2010/02/16/can-another-mmo-compete-with-wows-community/comment-page-1/#comment-27522</link>
		<dc:creator>Klinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 21:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Bar has been raised by Blizzard in the MMO community and I doubt anyone will take the crown or vault the bar without Blizzard letting them. The community, all 11 million of us, just won&#039;t leave wow until we&#039;re forced to. Oh sure, we&#039;ll try the new &quot;BEST EVAR MMO&quot; that comes out (I&#039;m excited for SW:TOR) but I doubt I&#039;ll jump ship permanently from wow. 

About the only thing that could do it, honestly, would be Starcraft&#039;s MMO. Come on Blizzard, you know you wanna let me roll Firebat.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Bar has been raised by Blizzard in the MMO community and I doubt anyone will take the crown or vault the bar without Blizzard letting them. The community, all 11 million of us, just won&#8217;t leave wow until we&#8217;re forced to. Oh sure, we&#8217;ll try the new &#8220;BEST EVAR MMO&#8221; that comes out (I&#8217;m excited for SW:TOR) but I doubt I&#8217;ll jump ship permanently from wow. </p>
<p>About the only thing that could do it, honestly, would be Starcraft&#8217;s MMO. Come on Blizzard, you know you wanna let me roll Firebat.</p>
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		<title>By: Trevor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trevor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 17:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m looking forward to The Old Republic because, well, Star Wars, and Bioware, and AD&amp;D based rules, and Star Wars, and Bioware.... You get the idea.  It may not be the WoW-Killer, but it may be the first thing in while to give any competition to Blizzard.  You&#039;re right though.  It will need to have a good community or it will be just another &quot;Yeah, I played that for a few months, it was pretty good&quot; game.   If anyone can pull me away from Blizzard, it&#039;ll be Bioware :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m looking forward to The Old Republic because, well, Star Wars, and Bioware, and AD&amp;D based rules, and Star Wars, and Bioware&#8230;. You get the idea.  It may not be the WoW-Killer, but it may be the first thing in while to give any competition to Blizzard.  You&#8217;re right though.  It will need to have a good community or it will be just another &#8220;Yeah, I played that for a few months, it was pretty good&#8221; game.   If anyone can pull me away from Blizzard, it&#8217;ll be Bioware :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 13:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, perhaps part of it is Blizz itself allowing these features to blossom.  The reason why WoW is such an awesome game, to me are two fold.  1)  Addons.  2)  All the databases that exist.  

I tried LOTRO, i hate it.  I even have a sub still (bc i forgot to cancel it, doh).  Its completely uncustomizeable, and I got tired of the default UI after an hour.   Also, there is no community.  If my wife didn&#039;t lead me around by the nose, i would wander aimlessly to get quests done.  I&#039;m used to the wham bam thank you ma&#039;am of WOW quests.

I also tried EQ1, and discovered the community was spoiled rotten kids, and SOE was just competely absent from the game.  No dev talk, no moderators, no in game help...it was horrible, horrible.  All it took was one jerk who corpse camped me and refused to give me my corpse back that killed the game for me.  (plus there is the fact that you lose XP when you die, oh yeah and all your stuff).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, perhaps part of it is Blizz itself allowing these features to blossom.  The reason why WoW is such an awesome game, to me are two fold.  1)  Addons.  2)  All the databases that exist.  </p>
<p>I tried LOTRO, i hate it.  I even have a sub still (bc i forgot to cancel it, doh).  Its completely uncustomizeable, and I got tired of the default UI after an hour.   Also, there is no community.  If my wife didn&#8217;t lead me around by the nose, i would wander aimlessly to get quests done.  I&#8217;m used to the wham bam thank you ma&#8217;am of WOW quests.</p>
<p>I also tried EQ1, and discovered the community was spoiled rotten kids, and SOE was just competely absent from the game.  No dev talk, no moderators, no in game help&#8230;it was horrible, horrible.  All it took was one jerk who corpse camped me and refused to give me my corpse back that killed the game for me.  (plus there is the fact that you lose XP when you die, oh yeah and all your stuff).</p>
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		<title>By: bigbearbutt</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2010/02/16/can-another-mmo-compete-with-wows-community/comment-page-1/#comment-27476</link>
		<dc:creator>bigbearbutt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 02:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tex... Tex, God bless you, that right there was about as concise a way of describing the highs and lows of the WoW community as you can get in one comment.

Bravo sir. Bravo.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tex&#8230; Tex, God bless you, that right there was about as concise a way of describing the highs and lows of the WoW community as you can get in one comment.</p>
<p>Bravo sir. Bravo.</p>
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		<title>By: Tex</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2010/02/16/can-another-mmo-compete-with-wows-community/comment-page-1/#comment-27450</link>
		<dc:creator>Tex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 23:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I logged into WoW after reading this and was thinking &quot;yeah, there&#039;s a lot I like about this game but it really is the community, the people that keep me playing as much as I do&quot;. Of course, the loading screen goes away and there&#039;s the guild message of the day still talking about NE Mohawks, Rocky III and the A-team. Next is my total time played, then time played at this level, and then Trade Chat begins ( I know, I know....it shouldn&#039;t be visible at all, but I had to get  gem cut before I logged last night and our guild&#039;s JC&#039;s weren&#039;t on). The very first line I see is this from Justynthedk: &quot;All of teh N****** in Haiite deserved to die - discuss&quot;. So, I submit that the greatest feature of wow is not only the people, the community so to speak but also the foresight of Blizzard to allow me to not only ignore that element of said community and never see them post again in my gaming experience, but also to report them for things that go beyond simple &quot;asshattery&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I logged into WoW after reading this and was thinking &#8220;yeah, there&#8217;s a lot I like about this game but it really is the community, the people that keep me playing as much as I do&#8221;. Of course, the loading screen goes away and there&#8217;s the guild message of the day still talking about NE Mohawks, Rocky III and the A-team. Next is my total time played, then time played at this level, and then Trade Chat begins ( I know, I know&#8230;.it shouldn&#8217;t be visible at all, but I had to get  gem cut before I logged last night and our guild&#8217;s JC&#8217;s weren&#8217;t on). The very first line I see is this from Justynthedk: &#8220;All of teh N****** in Haiite deserved to die &#8211; discuss&#8221;. So, I submit that the greatest feature of wow is not only the people, the community so to speak but also the foresight of Blizzard to allow me to not only ignore that element of said community and never see them post again in my gaming experience, but also to report them for things that go beyond simple &#8220;asshattery&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: kaozz</title>
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		<dc:creator>kaozz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 23:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another thing to note between EQ2 and WoW is- WoW is easier on a machine which, right off the bat, turned a lot of players away from EQ2. Really anyone can play WoW fine with a low end computer where it isn&#039;t the case with EQ2. I am not saying this is the reason, it&#039;s a factor for sure. Back then my video card didn&#039;t support the pixel shaders to even run that game. 

&quot;Can you imagine playing WoW without any player-created addons of any kind whatsoever? No custom UI, no Omen, no Recount, no Map mods or coordinate displays.&quot;

I actually liked it more so before all the massive addons it has now, to be honest. Dps meter spam, gear score spam.. yada yada. For me it has somewhat tarnished the game. While I love my healbot to death it&#039;s annoying to become dependent on addons, especially when they break and I can&#039;t use it for several days! Sure it makes things easier... but in a sense it has lost it&#039;s thrill and any mystery it had. We know what all the bosses are about to do!

These days I find myself playing WoW less and less, because it&#039;s just turned into a circus- because of the community. Where the outside community is great, blogs, fan sites and information sites are superb- the in game community is .. well.. meh.
.-= kaozz&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ectmmo.com/2010/02/allods-yikes.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Allods, Yikes!&lt;/a&gt; =-.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another thing to note between EQ2 and WoW is- WoW is easier on a machine which, right off the bat, turned a lot of players away from EQ2. Really anyone can play WoW fine with a low end computer where it isn&#8217;t the case with EQ2. I am not saying this is the reason, it&#8217;s a factor for sure. Back then my video card didn&#8217;t support the pixel shaders to even run that game. </p>
<p>&#8220;Can you imagine playing WoW without any player-created addons of any kind whatsoever? No custom UI, no Omen, no Recount, no Map mods or coordinate displays.&#8221;</p>
<p>I actually liked it more so before all the massive addons it has now, to be honest. Dps meter spam, gear score spam.. yada yada. For me it has somewhat tarnished the game. While I love my healbot to death it&#8217;s annoying to become dependent on addons, especially when they break and I can&#8217;t use it for several days! Sure it makes things easier&#8230; but in a sense it has lost it&#8217;s thrill and any mystery it had. We know what all the bosses are about to do!</p>
<p>These days I find myself playing WoW less and less, because it&#8217;s just turned into a circus- because of the community. Where the outside community is great, blogs, fan sites and information sites are superb- the in game community is .. well.. meh.<br />
.-= kaozz&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://www.ectmmo.com/2010/02/allods-yikes.html" rel="nofollow">Allods, Yikes!</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Ratshag</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ratshag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 20:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, don&#039;t blames me, Waveman. You think you find something helpful on me blog, just means ya been smokin&#039; felweed again. Don&#039;t think I didn&#039;t see ya doin&#039; it neithers.

Having tried EQ2, I&#039;s gotta say part of the reason the WoW community be so much more developed is, EQ2 just didn&#039;t didn&#039;t gives ya that much fer ta talk about. &quot;Dear diary, today I killed things fer a really long time, then I went and sat in me house by meself and rearranged the furniture. Again.&quot; Just didn&#039;t do it fer me.
.-= Ratshag&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://needmorerage.blogspot.com/2010/02/well-hello-there.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Well Hello There&lt;/a&gt; =-.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, don&#8217;t blames me, Waveman. You think you find something helpful on me blog, just means ya been smokin&#8217; felweed again. Don&#8217;t think I didn&#8217;t see ya doin&#8217; it neithers.</p>
<p>Having tried EQ2, I&#8217;s gotta say part of the reason the WoW community be so much more developed is, EQ2 just didn&#8217;t didn&#8217;t gives ya that much fer ta talk about. &#8220;Dear diary, today I killed things fer a really long time, then I went and sat in me house by meself and rearranged the furniture. Again.&#8221; Just didn&#8217;t do it fer me.<br />
.-= Ratshag&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://needmorerage.blogspot.com/2010/02/well-hello-there.html" rel="nofollow">Well Hello There</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Wavemancali</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wavemancali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 20:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually, the more I play the more I find WoW to be over documented by the community.

If I didn&#039;t read the community documentation, yes I could be a bit amazed when finding a new critter like the spirit bear if I happened along the right place at the right time. But conversely, I&#039;ll never be able to that one guy that figured out where it spawned and be the only one to have it. There is very little in the way of originality. Everyone reads the same documentation that the community puts out and within a couple of weeks everyone has the same stuff if it&#039;s the best.

So while I do appreciate it sometimes, I&#039;ve started becoming a bit jaded by it as well. It has become the &quot;easy button&quot; of the game. A crutch that everyone uses and I am as guilty as the rest.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, the more I play the more I find WoW to be over documented by the community.</p>
<p>If I didn&#8217;t read the community documentation, yes I could be a bit amazed when finding a new critter like the spirit bear if I happened along the right place at the right time. But conversely, I&#8217;ll never be able to that one guy that figured out where it spawned and be the only one to have it. There is very little in the way of originality. Everyone reads the same documentation that the community puts out and within a couple of weeks everyone has the same stuff if it&#8217;s the best.</p>
<p>So while I do appreciate it sometimes, I&#8217;ve started becoming a bit jaded by it as well. It has become the &#8220;easy button&#8221; of the game. A crutch that everyone uses and I am as guilty as the rest.</p>
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		<title>By: Tesh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 19:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great article, BBB.  Underscore this with the subscription business model, which really is about establishing a relationship, not selling a product.  I despise the model, but Blizzard really does seem to understand how to make it work; you let players get involved.
.-= Tesh&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://tishtoshtesh.wordpress.com/2010/02/15/bacon-and-chocolate/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bacon and Chocolate&lt;/a&gt; =-.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article, BBB.  Underscore this with the subscription business model, which really is about establishing a relationship, not selling a product.  I despise the model, but Blizzard really does seem to understand how to make it work; you let players get involved.<br />
.-= Tesh&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://tishtoshtesh.wordpress.com/2010/02/15/bacon-and-chocolate/" rel="nofollow">Bacon and Chocolate</a> =-.</p>
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