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	<title>Comments on: Random world PvP: Asshattery or Adventurism?</title>
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		<title>By: Mamabear</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2010/04/14/random-world-pvp-asshattery-or-adventurism/comment-page-1/#comment-31954</link>
		<dc:creator>Mamabear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 15:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think there are probably many &#039;whys&#039; to this. But I really do think it is because all players are not created equal. It is not unusual for a nine or twelve year old kid to have an 80. He (or she) might not have the skills to pvp in a more &#039;fair&#039; setting, and wants to get attention. He gets it when the level 12 spits on him, then when some level 80s show up. Then he runs away, thrilled and scared. Maybe this isn&#039;t an actual kid -- maybe he is someone emotionally immature who enjoys making other people&#039;s lives harder. No stores of patience to actually gear up, or level on a pvp realm. Or sometimes I think it is just sheer boredom. &quot;Getting World Explorer ... turning in my darkmoon card ... chasing quests for loremaster ... whatever ... is so boring. Wonder what will happen if I just kill everything here, I&#039;m about to log off anyway.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there are probably many &#8216;whys&#8217; to this. But I really do think it is because all players are not created equal. It is not unusual for a nine or twelve year old kid to have an 80. He (or she) might not have the skills to pvp in a more &#8216;fair&#8217; setting, and wants to get attention. He gets it when the level 12 spits on him, then when some level 80s show up. Then he runs away, thrilled and scared. Maybe this isn&#8217;t an actual kid &#8212; maybe he is someone emotionally immature who enjoys making other people&#8217;s lives harder. No stores of patience to actually gear up, or level on a pvp realm. Or sometimes I think it is just sheer boredom. &#8220;Getting World Explorer &#8230; turning in my darkmoon card &#8230; chasing quests for loremaster &#8230; whatever &#8230; is so boring. Wonder what will happen if I just kill everything here, I&#8217;m about to log off anyway.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Pellex on Hyjal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pellex on Hyjal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Apr 2010 14:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh man, this brings back unhappy memories.  I didn&#039;t have strong feelings about the Horde/Alliance rivalry until the summer I spent leveling my second toon (my druid, in fact!).  I was at the right level for the Crossroads quests, plus I was trying to get Orgrimmar rep for a wolf, so I did a lot of running all over the Barrens and coming back to find the whole population slaughtered.  School was out for the summer, so Crossroads was getting attacked and cleaned out 3-4 times per night, every night.  Now, thanks to that entire summer of frustration, I do snarl a little inside when I see Alliance.  It&#039;s become a reflex.

Then there was the time I was going to Ratchet to turn in a quest on my level 25-ish hunter.  A level ?? Night Elf was hanging around town, not doing anything...until he saw me heading for a particular NPC to turn in the quest.  As soon as I started toward that NPC, the NE killed him and then went back to sitting around and (I&#039;m sure) smirking.  As I recall, he sat down as if waiting for the mob to respawn so that he could kill it again if I made a move toward it, but maybe that&#039;s just my angry memory playing tricks on me.

I suppose all of this might have led to the birth of an enthusiastic PVPer out for blood, but the fact is that not only do I not enjoy PVP, but I also suck at it.  Which is why I rolled on a PVE server to start with.  (Luckily, I did know what PVP meant from my MUD days.)

I like the idea of high-level guards showing up eventually.  I suppose some would argue that this takes away the possibility of town-raiding practice for those at appropriate level, but maybe they could build in a mechanic so that the new guards&#039; level would match that of the highest-level player of opposing faction.  Or, heck, who needs town-raiding practice?  You don&#039;t get to go on dungeon raids until &quot;endgame,&quot; so why not have town raids be the same?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh man, this brings back unhappy memories.  I didn&#8217;t have strong feelings about the Horde/Alliance rivalry until the summer I spent leveling my second toon (my druid, in fact!).  I was at the right level for the Crossroads quests, plus I was trying to get Orgrimmar rep for a wolf, so I did a lot of running all over the Barrens and coming back to find the whole population slaughtered.  School was out for the summer, so Crossroads was getting attacked and cleaned out 3-4 times per night, every night.  Now, thanks to that entire summer of frustration, I do snarl a little inside when I see Alliance.  It&#8217;s become a reflex.</p>
<p>Then there was the time I was going to Ratchet to turn in a quest on my level 25-ish hunter.  A level ?? Night Elf was hanging around town, not doing anything&#8230;until he saw me heading for a particular NPC to turn in the quest.  As soon as I started toward that NPC, the NE killed him and then went back to sitting around and (I&#8217;m sure) smirking.  As I recall, he sat down as if waiting for the mob to respawn so that he could kill it again if I made a move toward it, but maybe that&#8217;s just my angry memory playing tricks on me.</p>
<p>I suppose all of this might have led to the birth of an enthusiastic PVPer out for blood, but the fact is that not only do I not enjoy PVP, but I also suck at it.  Which is why I rolled on a PVE server to start with.  (Luckily, I did know what PVP meant from my MUD days.)</p>
<p>I like the idea of high-level guards showing up eventually.  I suppose some would argue that this takes away the possibility of town-raiding practice for those at appropriate level, but maybe they could build in a mechanic so that the new guards&#8217; level would match that of the highest-level player of opposing faction.  Or, heck, who needs town-raiding practice?  You don&#8217;t get to go on dungeon raids until &#8220;endgame,&#8221; so why not have town raids be the same?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Apr 2010 18:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Haha, well i apologize. I apparently do fail at reading. I think the first 3 solutions are still valid. However, the tone of my last paragraph was a little much. I guess i was just blowing off a little steam. 

Years of /trade &amp; /General whining + a long work week = Misdirected Elitist Assholish Nerd-rage  (M.E.A.N.) 

Anyways, didn&#039;t mean to offend you or anyone else. I&#039;ve leveled up on both PvP and PvE realms. Ganking is pretty easy to avoid (Except at Raid Stones). And i am actually  thankful for being Ganked because it led to my love of alts :o)

There are a lot of classes i never would of tried had it not been for ganking.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha, well i apologize. I apparently do fail at reading. I think the first 3 solutions are still valid. However, the tone of my last paragraph was a little much. I guess i was just blowing off a little steam. </p>
<p>Years of /trade &amp; /General whining + a long work week = Misdirected Elitist Assholish Nerd-rage  (M.E.A.N.) </p>
<p>Anyways, didn&#8217;t mean to offend you or anyone else. I&#8217;ve leveled up on both PvP and PvE realms. Ganking is pretty easy to avoid (Except at Raid Stones). And i am actually  thankful for being Ganked because it led to my love of alts :o)</p>
<p>There are a lot of classes i never would of tried had it not been for ganking.</p>
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		<title>By: Sukugaru</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sukugaru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Apr 2010 02:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This one time, in Auberdine, I came across a level 80 Tauren griefer/warrior busily slaughtering all the NPCs.

I can&#039;t remember the specifics, because it was a while ago, but I left him alone for most of the time (as I tend to go SQUISH in PVP), but kept a careful eye on him all the same.  Then players started showing up, just low level, and he started ganking them too.

&quot;Right,&quot; said I, rolling up my sleeves, &quot;it&#039;s on!&quot;

The warrior didn&#039;t even fight back, he just ran for it.  Then eventually he&#039;d had enough and started hearthing.  I stood back, fully intending to wave goodbye just before he hearthed away -

- a level 14 player ran up and tried to attack him.

The Tauren warrior deliberately stopped hearthing and pwnsmashed the poor level 14 player.

&quot;Oh, you [bleep], it&#039;s on again,&quot; I said, and attacked.

Once again, he just ran for it... leading to my most amusing PVP kill ever.  He dived into the water and tried to swim away.  This is an incredibly silly idea against a druid with Aquatic Form.  I swam after him, popping in and out of Aquatic form to harass him, used Entangling Roots on him, and then suddenly he died, taking me completely by surprise.  It took me a moment or two to remember other classes have to worry about oxygen when underwater.

-

I can&#039;t help but wonder if he chose Auberdine due to it being off the beaten path and usually free of level 80s.
.-= Sukugaru&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://sscougall.livejournal.com/268433.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Update on the WoW hack&lt;/a&gt; =-.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This one time, in Auberdine, I came across a level 80 Tauren griefer/warrior busily slaughtering all the NPCs.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t remember the specifics, because it was a while ago, but I left him alone for most of the time (as I tend to go SQUISH in PVP), but kept a careful eye on him all the same.  Then players started showing up, just low level, and he started ganking them too.</p>
<p>&#8220;Right,&#8221; said I, rolling up my sleeves, &#8220;it&#8217;s on!&#8221;</p>
<p>The warrior didn&#8217;t even fight back, he just ran for it.  Then eventually he&#8217;d had enough and started hearthing.  I stood back, fully intending to wave goodbye just before he hearthed away -</p>
<p>- a level 14 player ran up and tried to attack him.</p>
<p>The Tauren warrior deliberately stopped hearthing and pwnsmashed the poor level 14 player.</p>
<p>&#8220;Oh, you [bleep], it&#8217;s on again,&#8221; I said, and attacked.</p>
<p>Once again, he just ran for it&#8230; leading to my most amusing PVP kill ever.  He dived into the water and tried to swim away.  This is an incredibly silly idea against a druid with Aquatic Form.  I swam after him, popping in and out of Aquatic form to harass him, used Entangling Roots on him, and then suddenly he died, taking me completely by surprise.  It took me a moment or two to remember other classes have to worry about oxygen when underwater.</p>
<p>-</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t help but wonder if he chose Auberdine due to it being off the beaten path and usually free of level 80s.<br />
.-= Sukugaru&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://sscougall.livejournal.com/268433.html" rel="nofollow">Update on the WoW hack</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: bigbearbutt</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2010/04/14/random-world-pvp-asshattery-or-adventurism/comment-page-1/#comment-31542</link>
		<dc:creator>bigbearbutt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 23:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dave, good lord.

Total reading comprehension fail, I AM on a PvE server. 

To quote the post above; &quot;Even if you’re on a non-PvP realm/server, there are PvP opportunities everywhere you go. How? The NPCs, including quest givers and Flight Masters, are all flagged.&quot;

If you can&#039;t be bothered to actually read the post before being a pissy little snot, how in the world can you expect anyone to take you seriously?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, good lord.</p>
<p>Total reading comprehension fail, I AM on a PvE server. </p>
<p>To quote the post above; &#8220;Even if you’re on a non-PvP realm/server, there are PvP opportunities everywhere you go. How? The NPCs, including quest givers and Flight Masters, are all flagged.&#8221;</p>
<p>If you can&#8217;t be bothered to actually read the post before being a pissy little snot, how in the world can you expect anyone to take you seriously?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2010/04/14/random-world-pvp-asshattery-or-adventurism/comment-page-1/#comment-31539</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 22:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Does it really matter &quot;why&quot; they&#039;re doing it? The only point is that they CAN/WILL do it. And if the game allows it, then so be it. If you have a problem with it, come up with your own solution.

Here are some options:

1.) Log off and play another Toon. I usually find this to be the best solution since it takes the least amount of time for you. And wastes the most amount of time for the Ganker. The Ganker will generally waste 5-10 min looking for you.

2.) If you enjoy vengeance and think that you can kill the Ganker with one of your other Toons, then Gank the Ganker. Be warned though, this will probably result in hours of wasted searching/killing/ganking/running/hiding/waiting. But can end with awesome stories/memories. 

3.) If you MUST play this toon, quest in another area. By either resurrecting behind a tree or at the spirit healer, you can usually get away from the Ganker. Just hearth or take the closest FP.

4.) If you are REALLY tired of this Sh*t, transfer to a PvE realm or roll a new toon on a PvE relm. 

There&#039;s really no excuse for persistent whining about being Ganked. YOU have chosen to play on a PvP server. If you don&#039;t like it... go to a PvE server. No one is keeping you there. It&#039;s like staying out in the Sun all day and then complaining that you got sun burnt. Put on some Protection or stay out of the darn Sun.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does it really matter &#8220;why&#8221; they&#8217;re doing it? The only point is that they CAN/WILL do it. And if the game allows it, then so be it. If you have a problem with it, come up with your own solution.</p>
<p>Here are some options:</p>
<p>1.) Log off and play another Toon. I usually find this to be the best solution since it takes the least amount of time for you. And wastes the most amount of time for the Ganker. The Ganker will generally waste 5-10 min looking for you.</p>
<p>2.) If you enjoy vengeance and think that you can kill the Ganker with one of your other Toons, then Gank the Ganker. Be warned though, this will probably result in hours of wasted searching/killing/ganking/running/hiding/waiting. But can end with awesome stories/memories. </p>
<p>3.) If you MUST play this toon, quest in another area. By either resurrecting behind a tree or at the spirit healer, you can usually get away from the Ganker. Just hearth or take the closest FP.</p>
<p>4.) If you are REALLY tired of this Sh*t, transfer to a PvE realm or roll a new toon on a PvE relm. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s really no excuse for persistent whining about being Ganked. YOU have chosen to play on a PvP server. If you don&#8217;t like it&#8230; go to a PvE server. No one is keeping you there. It&#8217;s like staying out in the Sun all day and then complaining that you got sun burnt. Put on some Protection or stay out of the darn Sun.</p>
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		<title>By: Fallenleaves of Ner'zhul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fallenleaves of Ner'zhul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 20:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As I have read through the comments, I have noticed the majority dislike pvp. If you look at it from a perspective of a pvp freak, any kill of a player brings a &#039;high&#039; because most will remember your name and bring a future battle to remember : D

That is just my reason for ganking.  But I am also a pretty nice guy, right BBB! :D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I have read through the comments, I have noticed the majority dislike pvp. If you look at it from a perspective of a pvp freak, any kill of a player brings a &#8216;high&#8217; because most will remember your name and bring a future battle to remember : D</p>
<p>That is just my reason for ganking.  But I am also a pretty nice guy, right BBB! :D</p>
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		<title>By: Moonstalker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moonstalker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 20:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My server is a PVP server and it was frustrating trying to quest on my first toon. Didn&#039;t understand the concept of PVP when I started playing. I thought it was like dueling where you choose to participate. Imagine my surprise. (This is also my response to those who say &quot;It&#039;s a pvp server - It&#039;s expected&quot; Didn&#039;t know what to expect when I started playing - just started playing.

Add the zone wide ganking by 2 or 3 Lvl ??? Then add the guilds that were bored. (Holy crap - the Tarren Mill battles I&#039;ve seen) Unable to quest, unable to explore, and without an alt. Almost made me quit the game.

Don&#039;t get me wrong. I love PVP in battlegrounds. Standing your ground on a flag against all comers - Enjoyable beyond expectations. But as a lowbie questing, it&#039;s a pain.

These days, it mainly asshats ganking because they think they&#039;re epeen. Notice I said asshats (plural). They never are alone and almost always outnumber or outlevel by a significant amount.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My server is a PVP server and it was frustrating trying to quest on my first toon. Didn&#8217;t understand the concept of PVP when I started playing. I thought it was like dueling where you choose to participate. Imagine my surprise. (This is also my response to those who say &#8220;It&#8217;s a pvp server &#8211; It&#8217;s expected&#8221; Didn&#8217;t know what to expect when I started playing &#8211; just started playing.</p>
<p>Add the zone wide ganking by 2 or 3 Lvl ??? Then add the guilds that were bored. (Holy crap &#8211; the Tarren Mill battles I&#8217;ve seen) Unable to quest, unable to explore, and without an alt. Almost made me quit the game.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong. I love PVP in battlegrounds. Standing your ground on a flag against all comers &#8211; Enjoyable beyond expectations. But as a lowbie questing, it&#8217;s a pain.</p>
<p>These days, it mainly asshats ganking because they think they&#8217;re epeen. Notice I said asshats (plural). They never are alone and almost always outnumber or outlevel by a significant amount.</p>
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		<title>By: Lazaros of Llane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lazaros of Llane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 18:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Our realm has its fair share of ganking asshats, but every once in a while, one aptly named guild decides to shake it up and do something different.  Alliance, US, Llane held the Crossroads Inn for a goodly while just to encourage some PvP fun like in the old days. It was fully planned out and announced, though. SD is rather known for these kinds of shenanigans about the server, though. (As well as wiping in new and painful ways.)

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=23710392261&amp;sid=1]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our realm has its fair share of ganking asshats, but every once in a while, one aptly named guild decides to shake it up and do something different.  Alliance, US, Llane held the Crossroads Inn for a goodly while just to encourage some PvP fun like in the old days. It was fully planned out and announced, though. SD is rather known for these kinds of shenanigans about the server, though. (As well as wiping in new and painful ways.)</p>
<p><a href="http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=23710392261&#038;sid=1" rel="nofollow">http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=23710392261&#038;sid=1</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 16:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of my toons is on a PVP server.  I have NEVER been attacked by a single person of near level.  Usually its a group, or a level 80 one-shot.   Want to fight fair?  Sure ,fine, i&#039;ll fight.  But the random ganking just for the sake of ganking; yeah that&#039;s just being an asshat.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of my toons is on a PVP server.  I have NEVER been attacked by a single person of near level.  Usually its a group, or a level 80 one-shot.   Want to fight fair?  Sure ,fine, i&#8217;ll fight.  But the random ganking just for the sake of ganking; yeah that&#8217;s just being an asshat.</p>
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