What is totally unreasonable is to enter a match with no intention of playing the game the way it was intended – yes, you want your achievement and have limited time to get it, but this does not mean that everyone else involved should bend their expectations to match yours.

TL;DR – you can organise a PuG raid, do the same for a battleground.

And no, 40 people just trying to attack a tower in AV isn’t helpfull at all, neither is 15 people trying to attack a flag in AB or 15 people standing in there own flag-room waiting for the opposite faction to capture the flag so they can attack them or 15 people zerging the flag in EoS. No these achievement aren’t helpfull at all, not with the stress to do them all in a short time, this week.

With the exception of the Eye of the Storm requirement, none of the SoHK can be equated to standing in the fire in a raid. WSG flag returns, AV tower captures, and AB flag caps are all very good strategies. In fact, I wish they happened *more* in battlegrounds – this week has seen more people fighting at the flag in AB than would ever normally happen.

My point of contention is that, as somebody that enjoys battlegrounds, I also have achievements that I would like to earn. Some of those achievements are very very hard, eg Ironman (20 killing blows without dying). Why shouldn’t I take advantage of this holiday to work towards earning those achivements? In particular, why do people feel they have the right to tell me not to do so? You want to earn your achievement in the easiest way possible, and so do I.

I’ve been helping people *in my faction* by dropping flags for them to capture, or holding bases so that people actually have somewhere to return a flag to, but there’s no way that I’m going to deliberately work against the mechanic of a battleground to aid the *opposite faction*. That goes against the very purpose of the competitive environment that is a PvP battleground. However, I’ve been insulted, /spit on, etc all through this week, not just by the oppostion but by members of my own team.

Where is this sense of entitlement coming from? As a PvP player, I don’t have the “required” (over)gear to be accepted into PvE raids. I’m not even allowed to join the groups, let alone be given a chance to prove myself. I can’t expect people to carry me through raids just so I can earn an achievement. Why then are people essentialy asking for this in PvP? To put it another way, if you’d be ‘a decent human being’ then you’d allow me to join the Naxx weekly for 20 minutes so I can get 5 frost badges, then I’d ‘get the hell out of your way’. I could help with the DPS, in the same way that people can help in a battleground by calling out incoming attacks or flag watching.

Yes, I realize the achievement asks you to do some things that are completely against proper strategy for these battlegrounds. I also realize that if you can’t realize this will only impact your battlegrounds for maybe 5 days out of the year leaving 360 to do your preferred killing, and actually be a decent human being enough to help or at least not hinder someone who’s trying to get their achievement done and get the hell out of your way, I don’t want to deal with your culture, but I have to.

This is a bad achievement, not because it makes you go pvp but because you’re fighting your own side most of the time in order to do it, which makes no sense whatsoever.

Why is it considered OK for people who don’t enjoy PVP to come into a battleground and destroy the mechanics of that BG in order to get their achievement, whereas someone carrying out perfectly valid battleground strategies is lambasted and considered a griefer?

What makes your goals more important than mine?

In AV the horde and alliance helped each other, taking turns and letting everyone get their achievement. Oh we had the hard core group who were complaining but we got it done.

Then on to EoS… over and over and over. I learned to make sure we had a tower or 2 before even trying for the flag. But the flag eluded me.

I know there are those out there who abhor seeing me out there. Let me get the flag and I will be out of your hair forever. I am even considering trying to get some pvp gear (I have none) and tweaking my spec to be able to last long enough to get to the tower should I ever happen to get the flag.

I do have to admit that claiming the towers is a bit of fun. Who knows… maybe I will become a bg convert after doing this all week.