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		<title>By: Willis</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2010/10/11/bear-tanking-in-4-0-1/comment-page-1/#comment-44756</link>
		<dc:creator>Willis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Oct 2010 15:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve always enjoyed your pieces, they&#039;ve helped me figure out what the hell I&#039;m doing on my beartank from day 1.

Last night I decided to respec/gem and give tanking a try with the new patch. Instead of going through my rotation or running 5 mans to figure it out, I grabbed the bear by the balls (omg pun. puuuuuuun) and delved into an icc25 pug as main tank. After finishing up figuring out how to properly hold a bit of aoe, it went very smoothly.

According to my recount I took around 15% less damage than the other tanks overall (trash excluded), with all of my reforging being taking from hit/haste and putting it into mastery. With the vengeance stacks and crit from pulverize along with mastery (excluding raid buffs) I typically have around 5k attack power. So I&#039;ve nearly always got a 3kish shield up on me, around 4-4.5k shield in raids.

Anyway, yeah bear tanks are even better now. Kids that are crying about swipe shouldn&#039;t be tanking anyway, go play a rogue or a mage and enjoy your 3 buttons.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always enjoyed your pieces, they&#8217;ve helped me figure out what the hell I&#8217;m doing on my beartank from day 1.</p>
<p>Last night I decided to respec/gem and give tanking a try with the new patch. Instead of going through my rotation or running 5 mans to figure it out, I grabbed the bear by the balls (omg pun. puuuuuuun) and delved into an icc25 pug as main tank. After finishing up figuring out how to properly hold a bit of aoe, it went very smoothly.</p>
<p>According to my recount I took around 15% less damage than the other tanks overall (trash excluded), with all of my reforging being taking from hit/haste and putting it into mastery. With the vengeance stacks and crit from pulverize along with mastery (excluding raid buffs) I typically have around 5k attack power. So I&#8217;ve nearly always got a 3kish shield up on me, around 4-4.5k shield in raids.</p>
<p>Anyway, yeah bear tanks are even better now. Kids that are crying about swipe shouldn&#8217;t be tanking anyway, go play a rogue or a mage and enjoy your 3 buttons.</p>
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		<title>By: Kauket</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2010/10/11/bear-tanking-in-4-0-1/comment-page-1/#comment-44408</link>
		<dc:creator>Kauket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Oct 2010 17:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Laurelinde

From the bear thread at &lt;a href=&quot;http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=27188059389&amp;sid=1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=27188059389&amp;sid=1&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;Q: They broke my 4T10, WHAT THE HELL? 
A: No, no they didn&#039;t. It is still 12% damage reduction. All it is is a failed tooltip update, which with blizzard, is nothing new. 

If you don&#039;t believe me, here&#039;s a simple test: Get someone to punch you from behind. Make sure they d not have any weapon equipped, any trinkets equipped, or the AV rep ring equipped. Take note of the damage being taken. Hit enrage. Take note of the damage being taken. Take the non-enraged damage and subtract 12% from it. It should match, within 1 or 2 damage, the damage being taken with Enrage up.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So it appears we&#039;re fine enraging until the level cap goes up and we replace our 4 piece T10.


@styopa

Due to talents, bears cannot be critted, so the Barkskin glyph should be irrelevant to us.  Likely it&#039;s for the non-bears.


@BBB

Thanks for the guide!  Could you please add it to the &quot;sticky&quot; bear post list.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Laurelinde</p>
<p>From the bear thread at <a href="http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=27188059389&amp;sid=1" rel="nofollow">http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=27188059389&#038;sid=1</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Q: They broke my 4T10, WHAT THE HELL?<br />
A: No, no they didn&#8217;t. It is still 12% damage reduction. All it is is a failed tooltip update, which with blizzard, is nothing new. </p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t believe me, here&#8217;s a simple test: Get someone to punch you from behind. Make sure they d not have any weapon equipped, any trinkets equipped, or the AV rep ring equipped. Take note of the damage being taken. Hit enrage. Take note of the damage being taken. Take the non-enraged damage and subtract 12% from it. It should match, within 1 or 2 damage, the damage being taken with Enrage up.</p></blockquote>
<p>So it appears we&#8217;re fine enraging until the level cap goes up and we replace our 4 piece T10.</p>
<p>@styopa</p>
<p>Due to talents, bears cannot be critted, so the Barkskin glyph should be irrelevant to us.  Likely it&#8217;s for the non-bears.</p>
<p>@BBB</p>
<p>Thanks for the guide!  Could you please add it to the &#8220;sticky&#8221; bear post list.</p>
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		<title>By: Arcticfoc</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2010/10/11/bear-tanking-in-4-0-1/comment-page-1/#comment-44278</link>
		<dc:creator>Arcticfoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Oct 2010 21:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[awsome guide! one of the best i have found so far about where to put spec into the new tree.  really like how you explain why they are good talents to take.

would be awsome if you wrote something up about glyphs, personaly im not sure if glyph of frenzied regen is going to end up being good or bad. either way, i look forward to reading some more of your articles.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>awsome guide! one of the best i have found so far about where to put spec into the new tree.  really like how you explain why they are good talents to take.</p>
<p>would be awsome if you wrote something up about glyphs, personaly im not sure if glyph of frenzied regen is going to end up being good or bad. either way, i look forward to reading some more of your articles.</p>
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		<title>By: styopa</title>
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		<dc:creator>styopa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Oct 2010 01:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Glyph of Frenzied now blows - +30% heal done to you, but no self-heals?  That&#039;s primarily what it was good for, dealing with an inattentive or slow healer in a bad spot when you&#039;re overflowing with rage but not hp....  sigh.
The only other possible alternatives I can see for majors are:
Feral Charge: is reducing c/d from 15 sec to 14 sec worth a major?  I don&#039;t think so.
Rebirth: ok odd pick, but the occasion when I&#039;ve had to pop out of bear an rebirth someone, it would be nice that they came back to life @ 100%
but I guess I&#039;m going to go with Barkskin, -25% crit chance incoming for 20% uptime, that&#039;s a fair amount of damage.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glyph of Frenzied now blows &#8211; +30% heal done to you, but no self-heals?  That&#8217;s primarily what it was good for, dealing with an inattentive or slow healer in a bad spot when you&#8217;re overflowing with rage but not hp&#8230;.  sigh.<br />
The only other possible alternatives I can see for majors are:<br />
Feral Charge: is reducing c/d from 15 sec to 14 sec worth a major?  I don&#8217;t think so.<br />
Rebirth: ok odd pick, but the occasion when I&#8217;ve had to pop out of bear an rebirth someone, it would be nice that they came back to life @ 100%<br />
but I guess I&#8217;m going to go with Barkskin, -25% crit chance incoming for 20% uptime, that&#8217;s a fair amount of damage.</p>
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		<title>By: Sprinkles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sprinkles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Oct 2010 19:43:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I really enjoyed your article!  It&#039;s been rough trying to find bear tank information on stats etc for 4.0 as it pertains to WoTLK.  Unhappy with the tree changes in 4.0 I decided to try my hand at tanking (I used to back when I was leveling) so far it is a learning curve from the old swipe spam.  Instead of using Shift, I use the roll ball on my mouse, roll back and it will select the nearest targets.  I can keep rolling back and it will go through the targets nearby, enabling me to put sufficent bleeds on each.  I have given up on marking since I get &quot;Hurry Up!&quot; or &quot;Anyday now&quot; from dps who are used to AOEing everything.  I have started to figure out a pretty good rotation what is everyone&#039;s rotation?  

I am ready/excited for Cata, it will take more skill (like it used to be!), more CC and single target tanking (which we are now setup for.)  I think the hardest learning curve will be for DPS who are used to being able to nuke whatever they want, whenever they want and never use CC or watch their aggro.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really enjoyed your article!  It&#8217;s been rough trying to find bear tank information on stats etc for 4.0 as it pertains to WoTLK.  Unhappy with the tree changes in 4.0 I decided to try my hand at tanking (I used to back when I was leveling) so far it is a learning curve from the old swipe spam.  Instead of using Shift, I use the roll ball on my mouse, roll back and it will select the nearest targets.  I can keep rolling back and it will go through the targets nearby, enabling me to put sufficent bleeds on each.  I have given up on marking since I get &#8220;Hurry Up!&#8221; or &#8220;Anyday now&#8221; from dps who are used to AOEing everything.  I have started to figure out a pretty good rotation what is everyone&#8217;s rotation?  </p>
<p>I am ready/excited for Cata, it will take more skill (like it used to be!), more CC and single target tanking (which we are now setup for.)  I think the hardest learning curve will be for DPS who are used to being able to nuke whatever they want, whenever they want and never use CC or watch their aggro.</p>
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		<title>By: Laurelinde</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laurelinde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Oct 2010 23:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[...and of course that should say T10, not T11.  It is past this bear&#039;s bedtime...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and of course that should say T10, not T11.  It is past this bear&#8217;s bedtime&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Laurelinde</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2010/10/11/bear-tanking-in-4-0-1/comment-page-1/#comment-44129</link>
		<dc:creator>Laurelinde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Oct 2010 23:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Question - does the four-piece T11 bonus have any effect on enrage now at all?  Does it do nothing (since our armour isn&#039;t decreasing), or does it effectively reduce spell damage by 12% and physical damage by 2% (12% from the bonus minus the 10% from the skill)?

I&#039;m trying to decide on a build for pre-Cata raiding and I don&#039;t know whether to put any points in KOTJ or Primal Madness, given that I&#039;m a little underwhelmed with pulverise at the moment and an 8-second-longer window for 3-10% crit seems like a very heavy point cost.

I can&#039;t seem to find any info on what has happened with tier bonuses (or theorycrafting on pulverise or on bears in general for that matter, it&#039;s all complex cat math) so any help would be appreciated.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Question &#8211; does the four-piece T11 bonus have any effect on enrage now at all?  Does it do nothing (since our armour isn&#8217;t decreasing), or does it effectively reduce spell damage by 12% and physical damage by 2% (12% from the bonus minus the 10% from the skill)?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m trying to decide on a build for pre-Cata raiding and I don&#8217;t know whether to put any points in KOTJ or Primal Madness, given that I&#8217;m a little underwhelmed with pulverise at the moment and an 8-second-longer window for 3-10% crit seems like a very heavy point cost.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t seem to find any info on what has happened with tier bonuses (or theorycrafting on pulverise or on bears in general for that matter, it&#8217;s all complex cat math) so any help would be appreciated.</p>
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		<title>By: Tecumsah(Area 52)</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2010/10/11/bear-tanking-in-4-0-1/comment-page-1/#comment-44128</link>
		<dc:creator>Tecumsah(Area 52)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Oct 2010 22:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I love the information just switched from tree to bear as of hearing to the effects coming out in 4.0.1. I decided with tree form being put on a cool down and the spec kind of being re arranged into more of a PVP spec I went tanking. It was a loud of fun but now with 4.0.1 it just got more challenging. Thanks to this website it has been a lot easier thank you very much.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the information just switched from tree to bear as of hearing to the effects coming out in 4.0.1. I decided with tree form being put on a cool down and the spec kind of being re arranged into more of a PVP spec I went tanking. It was a loud of fun but now with 4.0.1 it just got more challenging. Thanks to this website it has been a lot easier thank you very much.</p>
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		<title>By: Sangiyok</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sangiyok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Oct 2010 20:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yo BBB,

Enrage is a 10% PHYSICAL damage increase.

Love,
Sangi]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yo BBB,</p>
<p>Enrage is a 10% PHYSICAL damage increase.</p>
<p>Love,<br />
Sangi</p>
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		<title>By: Panzer Bear</title>
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		<dc:creator>Panzer Bear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Oct 2010 14:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have been bear tanking ICC for a while now, even with the 20% debuff.

I am really disheartened at the releasing the talent tree and talents before Cata.  As current fights require alot of AE tanking.  

As of level 80, we have 3 AE abilities.  Swipe, Demo Roar, Challenging Roar (And maul if you glyph is, but 30 rage cost is INSANE).  Challenging Roar has a 3 minute cooldown (2:30 glyphed), so that is out as a threat generation/Tauning talent.  Swipe has a 6 second cooldown and large rage cost.  Demo Roar is not meant for theat generation...  So that leaves us with 2 abilties, one one a 6 second cooldown... there is no way we can match AE threat for current content.  Are we supposed to tab target and Growl?

I understand that Cata is getting away from AE tanking, but what happens in the 2 months before Cata drops?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been bear tanking ICC for a while now, even with the 20% debuff.</p>
<p>I am really disheartened at the releasing the talent tree and talents before Cata.  As current fights require alot of AE tanking.  </p>
<p>As of level 80, we have 3 AE abilities.  Swipe, Demo Roar, Challenging Roar (And maul if you glyph is, but 30 rage cost is INSANE).  Challenging Roar has a 3 minute cooldown (2:30 glyphed), so that is out as a threat generation/Tauning talent.  Swipe has a 6 second cooldown and large rage cost.  Demo Roar is not meant for theat generation&#8230;  So that leaves us with 2 abilties, one one a 6 second cooldown&#8230; there is no way we can match AE threat for current content.  Are we supposed to tab target and Growl?</p>
<p>I understand that Cata is getting away from AE tanking, but what happens in the 2 months before Cata drops?</p>
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