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		<title>By: Hugmenot</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2011/03/09/wow-sorta-kinda-maybe/comment-page-1/#comment-52639</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugmenot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2011 18:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I commented how the new zones were unkind to couples a few months. My wife and I ran into the same problem very early in the expansion and we found the only solution (if we want to quest together in Cataclysm) is to be on the same exact quests at all time, We leveled one pair this way from 80 to 85 but the second pair is very slow going because all the quests are absolutely trivial when grouped with another player. No challenge is no fun.

I ended deleting a 80 so to start another pair from scratch. We mostly level 2- or 3- manning instances on our way to 80. 2-manning is generally more enjoyable - especially when we use two hybrids - but 3-manning is a hoot if a clothie is tanking. 

Something is definitely missing when we have to ignore the way the game is designed to be played to enjoy it.

And don&#039;t get me started on every quest having a &quot;hip&quot; reference ...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I commented how the new zones were unkind to couples a few months. My wife and I ran into the same problem very early in the expansion and we found the only solution (if we want to quest together in Cataclysm) is to be on the same exact quests at all time, We leveled one pair this way from 80 to 85 but the second pair is very slow going because all the quests are absolutely trivial when grouped with another player. No challenge is no fun.</p>
<p>I ended deleting a 80 so to start another pair from scratch. We mostly level 2- or 3- manning instances on our way to 80. 2-manning is generally more enjoyable &#8211; especially when we use two hybrids &#8211; but 3-manning is a hoot if a clothie is tanking. </p>
<p>Something is definitely missing when we have to ignore the way the game is designed to be played to enjoy it.</p>
<p>And don&#8217;t get me started on every quest having a &#8220;hip&#8221; reference &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: bigbearbutt</title>
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		<dc:creator>bigbearbutt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2011 15:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: RiegnMan</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2011/03/09/wow-sorta-kinda-maybe/comment-page-1/#comment-52621</link>
		<dc:creator>RiegnMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2011 13:43:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, once again you have hit right on target with my feelings and thoughts on the game.  I quit playing at the end of Jan. and haven&#039;t missed it. . . yet.
I ran 4 of my toons to 85 and got my bear tank geared and tanking Heroics.  I liked them, just not most of the ppl from the PUGs.  Then I lvl&#039;ed all professions to 525.  That is always a dead give-away that the end is near for me.  Then I said &quot;hey, I&#039;m gonna lvl a hunter&quot;.  So I lvl&#039;ed a hunter from 1 to 85 &#039;cause I thought that a hunter would be fun just to &quot;play&quot;.  It was, for a day or two.  After I got all the spirit beast it got old too.  
I have all these alts sitting at 85 or in their 80s, a lvl 3 guild with a 4 tab guild bank to store all my crap and tens of thousands of gold sitting in the bank and I can&#039;t think of anything fun to do.  So I cancelled my subscription and started playing tabletop D&amp;D with my wife and 5 of my kids a couple nights a week.  I have never looked back.  
For about 3 hours two nights a week, I have the undivided attention of my family (minus the one teenage boy that talks to his GF on the phone for 6 hours every evening) and we have a blast.  That&#039;s just something that WoW can&#039;t do even if everyone was playing WoW at the same time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, once again you have hit right on target with my feelings and thoughts on the game.  I quit playing at the end of Jan. and haven&#8217;t missed it. . . yet.<br />
I ran 4 of my toons to 85 and got my bear tank geared and tanking Heroics.  I liked them, just not most of the ppl from the PUGs.  Then I lvl&#8217;ed all professions to 525.  That is always a dead give-away that the end is near for me.  Then I said &#8220;hey, I&#8217;m gonna lvl a hunter&#8221;.  So I lvl&#8217;ed a hunter from 1 to 85 &#8217;cause I thought that a hunter would be fun just to &#8220;play&#8221;.  It was, for a day or two.  After I got all the spirit beast it got old too.<br />
I have all these alts sitting at 85 or in their 80s, a lvl 3 guild with a 4 tab guild bank to store all my crap and tens of thousands of gold sitting in the bank and I can&#8217;t think of anything fun to do.  So I cancelled my subscription and started playing tabletop D&amp;D with my wife and 5 of my kids a couple nights a week.  I have never looked back.<br />
For about 3 hours two nights a week, I have the undivided attention of my family (minus the one teenage boy that talks to his GF on the phone for 6 hours every evening) and we have a blast.  That&#8217;s just something that WoW can&#8217;t do even if everyone was playing WoW at the same time.</p>
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		<title>By: Eryius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eryius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2011 12:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Although I do not experience what you mention, you have not mentioned one thing which might bring you new joy: PvP (I say MIGHT)

How about trying to do some PvP together?
I&#039;ve never been into PvP much, but going into an arena as a well-played team with a healer can be a killer :)
Also BG&#039;s can be a lot of fun with a pair. I really enjoy the PvP more at this point than PvE (and I&#039;m on a PvE server, so I only PvP in BG/Arena).

Might give it a shot, getting the honor for initial PvP gear is manageable (not super fast, but ok-ish) and that gives some nice resilience to get you started. 

Just an idea, maybe it helps :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I do not experience what you mention, you have not mentioned one thing which might bring you new joy: PvP (I say MIGHT)</p>
<p>How about trying to do some PvP together?<br />
I&#8217;ve never been into PvP much, but going into an arena as a well-played team with a healer can be a killer :)<br />
Also BG&#8217;s can be a lot of fun with a pair. I really enjoy the PvP more at this point than PvE (and I&#8217;m on a PvE server, so I only PvP in BG/Arena).</p>
<p>Might give it a shot, getting the honor for initial PvP gear is manageable (not super fast, but ok-ish) and that gives some nice resilience to get you started. </p>
<p>Just an idea, maybe it helps :)</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2011 00:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Zelmaru</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zelmaru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Mar 2011 21:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah feel free to create an alt and harass us there.  Or listen in on a raid.  Some people decide it&#039;s the right atmosphere for them and others do not.  One dude I think got scared off because we were all talking about our exes one night.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah feel free to create an alt and harass us there.  Or listen in on a raid.  Some people decide it&#8217;s the right atmosphere for them and others do not.  One dude I think got scared off because we were all talking about our exes one night.</p>
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		<title>By: bigbearbutt</title>
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		<dc:creator>bigbearbutt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Mar 2011 20:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I swear, if I didn&#039;t know that I as an individual was just some dumb schmuck, I&#039;d think that there was a concerted effort to get me to come to Eff the Ineffable.

As things stand, I&#039;m smart enough to attribute it to you folks just being nice in general, though. 

Hey, Grimmtooth is in Eff, so at least I know I&#039;d have ONE hunter to harass!

Don&#039;t be surprised if I come say hi to you folks soon, just to say hi.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I swear, if I didn&#8217;t know that I as an individual was just some dumb schmuck, I&#8217;d think that there was a concerted effort to get me to come to Eff the Ineffable.</p>
<p>As things stand, I&#8217;m smart enough to attribute it to you folks just being nice in general, though. </p>
<p>Hey, Grimmtooth is in Eff, so at least I know I&#8217;d have ONE hunter to harass!</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t be surprised if I come say hi to you folks soon, just to say hi.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Mar 2011 19:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As usual, you are living in my own head.  I can&#039;t have said any of this more perfectly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As usual, you are living in my own head.  I can&#8217;t have said any of this more perfectly.</p>
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		<title>By: Arrowrest</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arrowrest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Mar 2011 18:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hate to say it, but the idea of elemental invasions and how that changes the world for everyone in a particular area in Rift makes more sense as a game design to me than Blizzard&#039;s player-centered use of phasing content. I don&#039;t know how well that will hold over time in the game but it&#039;s a refreshing approach when you compare it to WoW&#039;s pre-Cataclysm elemental invasion. Even Rift&#039;s ideas for rewarding people for exploring the world rather than sitting in the city hubs seems refreshing despite how simple an idea it is. I think people are feeling down about Cataclysm because there really wasn&#039;t anything new that Blizzard did in this expansion compared to Wrath, just a refinement of what we had before.

Perhaps the designers were too caught up in redoing the 1-60 game (and redoing all of that was no mean feat) but I do get a real sense that something has gone astray. I&#039;ve played now for over five years and this is the first expansion that has not &quot;wowed&quot; me if you&#039;ll pardon the pun. Seriously, why don&#039;t we see Deathwing stomping through Ironforge killing everyone in his path once and awhile like Highlord Kruul did back before BC or random elemental invasions that take over questing hubs like in Rift? Give players a reason to want to go kill the big dragon. I&#039;d think by this expansion there&#039;d be some sort of dynamic content in WoW or something new to keep people occupied between raids besides dailies but right now I don&#039;t see anything on the horizon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to say it, but the idea of elemental invasions and how that changes the world for everyone in a particular area in Rift makes more sense as a game design to me than Blizzard&#8217;s player-centered use of phasing content. I don&#8217;t know how well that will hold over time in the game but it&#8217;s a refreshing approach when you compare it to WoW&#8217;s pre-Cataclysm elemental invasion. Even Rift&#8217;s ideas for rewarding people for exploring the world rather than sitting in the city hubs seems refreshing despite how simple an idea it is. I think people are feeling down about Cataclysm because there really wasn&#8217;t anything new that Blizzard did in this expansion compared to Wrath, just a refinement of what we had before.</p>
<p>Perhaps the designers were too caught up in redoing the 1-60 game (and redoing all of that was no mean feat) but I do get a real sense that something has gone astray. I&#8217;ve played now for over five years and this is the first expansion that has not &#8220;wowed&#8221; me if you&#8217;ll pardon the pun. Seriously, why don&#8217;t we see Deathwing stomping through Ironforge killing everyone in his path once and awhile like Highlord Kruul did back before BC or random elemental invasions that take over questing hubs like in Rift? Give players a reason to want to go kill the big dragon. I&#8217;d think by this expansion there&#8217;d be some sort of dynamic content in WoW or something new to keep people occupied between raids besides dailies but right now I don&#8217;t see anything on the horizon.</p>
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		<title>By: Tesh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Psychochild&#039;s article on &quot;Punishing Grouping&quot; is a good, relevant read.  It still surprises me that Blizzard, of all people, with their obsessive focus on group content at the endgame, don&#039;t get this stuff right.  I maintain that the dev team is schizophrenic.

http://psychochild.org/?p=745]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Psychochild&#8217;s article on &#8220;Punishing Grouping&#8221; is a good, relevant read.  It still surprises me that Blizzard, of all people, with their obsessive focus on group content at the endgame, don&#8217;t get this stuff right.  I maintain that the dev team is schizophrenic.</p>
<p><a href="http://psychochild.org/?p=745" rel="nofollow">http://psychochild.org/?p=745</a></p>
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