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	<title>Comments on: Chicago &#8211; Day 2 &#8211; Where I go off on being green</title>
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		<title>By: Babb</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2011/03/16/chicago-day-2-where-i-go-off-on-being-green/comment-page-1/#comment-53157</link>
		<dc:creator>Babb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2011 05:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, I&#039;d consider it a scam thats being perpetrated on UK taxpayers.

The reason I would call it a scam is there are three parties here. The home owner, this Isis company, and the UK taxpayers. Two of these parties are getting a really good deal, the taxpayers are getting the shaft.

Which brings us back to my point, if installing solar panels on residences was a great idea, people would do it of their own accord without the need for handouts(make no mistake about it, this is a handout).  

The reality is, solar costs anywhere from 5 to 10 times as much as conventional electricity...which means anyone who installs such a system to save money fails at basic arithmetic. Now, if some people want to install solar because they think &#039;being green&#039; is worth paying that extra cost, by all means go right ahead. People do financially foolish things all the time...they just need to actually cover the costs themselves, not make someone else pay for it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;d consider it a scam thats being perpetrated on UK taxpayers.</p>
<p>The reason I would call it a scam is there are three parties here. The home owner, this Isis company, and the UK taxpayers. Two of these parties are getting a really good deal, the taxpayers are getting the shaft.</p>
<p>Which brings us back to my point, if installing solar panels on residences was a great idea, people would do it of their own accord without the need for handouts(make no mistake about it, this is a handout).  </p>
<p>The reality is, solar costs anywhere from 5 to 10 times as much as conventional electricity&#8230;which means anyone who installs such a system to save money fails at basic arithmetic. Now, if some people want to install solar because they think &#8216;being green&#8217; is worth paying that extra cost, by all means go right ahead. People do financially foolish things all the time&#8230;they just need to actually cover the costs themselves, not make someone else pay for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Rohan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rohan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Mar 2011 06:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The bigger problem isn&#039;t so much that we stopped pressuring mpg to improve. It&#039;s that we allowed minivans and SUVs to use the lower &quot;truck&quot; mpg standards. These really should have been reserved for &quot;work/business&quot; vehicles, which haul cargo, not passenger vehicles. Basically, normal cars can&#039;t compete with that, because fuel economy is not free, it&#039;s a tradeoff.

But Chrysler probably would have gone completely bankrupt back in the 80s if it wasn&#039;t for the minivan. So that&#039;s why we end up where we are.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bigger problem isn&#8217;t so much that we stopped pressuring mpg to improve. It&#8217;s that we allowed minivans and SUVs to use the lower &#8220;truck&#8221; mpg standards. These really should have been reserved for &#8220;work/business&#8221; vehicles, which haul cargo, not passenger vehicles. Basically, normal cars can&#8217;t compete with that, because fuel economy is not free, it&#8217;s a tradeoff.</p>
<p>But Chrysler probably would have gone completely bankrupt back in the 80s if it wasn&#8217;t for the minivan. So that&#8217;s why we end up where we are.</p>
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		<title>By: Beerbear</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beerbear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Mar 2011 13:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This whole &quot;the environment will collapse!&quot; (no, it won&#039;t) or &quot;be good to the planet&quot; and &quot;we must save the planet&quot; (from what exactly? this planet has had much, much, MUCH worse, there were extinction events with 70, 80, 90% of all life being just wiped out, just like that, and don&#039;t make me start on all those asteroids) is just ticking me off these days. Most, if not all, is based on emotions, not on facts. 

Take climate change. That has happened before and will happen again. The planet&#039;s climates have never been stable and will never be stable. And those 0.038% CO2 in the atmosphere, please, that&#039;s nothing. Yet people insist that the atmosphere has been &quot;saturated&quot; with CO2 by mankind. We produce roughly 4% of those 0.038% and that&#039;s saturation? No, not really. Besides, if it was saturated, it couldn&#039;t take any more CO2. And we know of times when there was more CO2 than today. I&#039;ve heard biologists state that doubling the CO2 wouldn&#039;t be bad, it would be good for plant life. And when did cultures bloom? In warming times, not cooling times. Rome and China are the perfect examples. Also notice how the media always tells us how much million tons CO2 mankind produces and always &quot;forgets&quot; how much the rest of the planet produces. And how they always say PPM instead of percent. Most people have no idea what PPM are. 380 looks a lot bigger than 0.038. It&#039;s all manipulation to sell their point and that is &quot;WE&#039;RE ALL GOING TO DIE!&quot; Guess, we&#039;re all going to die anyway. The moment we&#039;re born we&#039;re all as good as dead!

Take green energy. Or better &quot;renewable&quot; energy. This just makes me head-desk all the time, because such phrases are thrown around by people with ZERO education. There is no such thing as &quot;renewable&quot; energy. You can produce energy, you can distribute it, you can use it, but you can&#039;t renew it. That would be a perpetuum mobile and that&#039;s not possible. E-cars are cute, but please, someone tell me how e-cars are going to supply the village where my grandmother lived? Imagine a valley in the European Alps. Narrow. One little creek floats out of it. Only one access point. No railroad. The only way of supply is one road. I want to see e-cars lug food and other material into that place. They would utterly fail. For that we need the &quot;evil&quot; truck running on fossile fuels. Tell me how e-cars would bring supplies to the refugees in Japan? They couldn&#039;t, they&#039;d run out of energy halfway. Wind power, solar power... Cute, and where are we going to build them? Let&#039;s take Japan. Most of the terrain there is mountain. They have no room. Oh, we do it offshore. And how are we going to bring the power to the land? This is where the problems really begin. The cable cross-section for such cables is... holy crap. Such cables don&#039;t even exist right now. They&#039;d have to be engineered. The amount of work and money for such a project is just crazy. No country can afford this. We are all bankrupt. Face it. Look at our national debts. US, Germany, Austria, the UK, the Netherlands, Japan, etc. It doesn&#039;t matter where you look at, we&#039;re bankrupt. Who&#039;s going to finance this?

Oh yes, the &quot;rich&quot;. Tax the rich, right? This has been tried in Europe and it&#039;s not working. In my country, if you make more than 60k Euros per year, you pay 50% taxes on your salary. You also pay a VAT up to 20% on everything you buy (it&#039;s 10 and 20). If you buy gas for your car, you pay a fuel tax, which makes up more than 50% of the fuel price you pay at the station, plus 20% VAT. Some years ago, the Green party here said that fuel should be 20 Schillings per liter (that&#039;s roughly 1.5 Euros.) We have reached this point already. Then, if you have a car, you are required to have an insurance. Plus the government taxes you based on the horse power of your car. And so on. With this we have the highest tax income in the history of this country. And the money is not enough. Our national debt will hit 75% of the GDP next year and our deficit is still growing. So, how are we going to finance wind and solar power on a scale that would make the enviro-nitwits happy? We can&#039;t. It&#039;s impossible.

But I still say all of this is planned by our so called &quot;leaders&quot;. Nobody can tell me that this is just a &quot;whoops, I didn&#039;t see it&quot; moment. Nobody can be THAT stupid or ignorant. They want this to happen. They only care about two things: power and how they look like in the media. Obama, Merkel, Faymann, Kan, they&#039;re all the same. They want this to happen.

Yeah, I&#039;m having a field day. Sorry.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This whole &#8220;the environment will collapse!&#8221; (no, it won&#8217;t) or &#8220;be good to the planet&#8221; and &#8220;we must save the planet&#8221; (from what exactly? this planet has had much, much, MUCH worse, there were extinction events with 70, 80, 90% of all life being just wiped out, just like that, and don&#8217;t make me start on all those asteroids) is just ticking me off these days. Most, if not all, is based on emotions, not on facts. </p>
<p>Take climate change. That has happened before and will happen again. The planet&#8217;s climates have never been stable and will never be stable. And those 0.038% CO2 in the atmosphere, please, that&#8217;s nothing. Yet people insist that the atmosphere has been &#8220;saturated&#8221; with CO2 by mankind. We produce roughly 4% of those 0.038% and that&#8217;s saturation? No, not really. Besides, if it was saturated, it couldn&#8217;t take any more CO2. And we know of times when there was more CO2 than today. I&#8217;ve heard biologists state that doubling the CO2 wouldn&#8217;t be bad, it would be good for plant life. And when did cultures bloom? In warming times, not cooling times. Rome and China are the perfect examples. Also notice how the media always tells us how much million tons CO2 mankind produces and always &#8220;forgets&#8221; how much the rest of the planet produces. And how they always say PPM instead of percent. Most people have no idea what PPM are. 380 looks a lot bigger than 0.038. It&#8217;s all manipulation to sell their point and that is &#8220;WE&#8217;RE ALL GOING TO DIE!&#8221; Guess, we&#8217;re all going to die anyway. The moment we&#8217;re born we&#8217;re all as good as dead!</p>
<p>Take green energy. Or better &#8220;renewable&#8221; energy. This just makes me head-desk all the time, because such phrases are thrown around by people with ZERO education. There is no such thing as &#8220;renewable&#8221; energy. You can produce energy, you can distribute it, you can use it, but you can&#8217;t renew it. That would be a perpetuum mobile and that&#8217;s not possible. E-cars are cute, but please, someone tell me how e-cars are going to supply the village where my grandmother lived? Imagine a valley in the European Alps. Narrow. One little creek floats out of it. Only one access point. No railroad. The only way of supply is one road. I want to see e-cars lug food and other material into that place. They would utterly fail. For that we need the &#8220;evil&#8221; truck running on fossile fuels. Tell me how e-cars would bring supplies to the refugees in Japan? They couldn&#8217;t, they&#8217;d run out of energy halfway. Wind power, solar power&#8230; Cute, and where are we going to build them? Let&#8217;s take Japan. Most of the terrain there is mountain. They have no room. Oh, we do it offshore. And how are we going to bring the power to the land? This is where the problems really begin. The cable cross-section for such cables is&#8230; holy crap. Such cables don&#8217;t even exist right now. They&#8217;d have to be engineered. The amount of work and money for such a project is just crazy. No country can afford this. We are all bankrupt. Face it. Look at our national debts. US, Germany, Austria, the UK, the Netherlands, Japan, etc. It doesn&#8217;t matter where you look at, we&#8217;re bankrupt. Who&#8217;s going to finance this?</p>
<p>Oh yes, the &#8220;rich&#8221;. Tax the rich, right? This has been tried in Europe and it&#8217;s not working. In my country, if you make more than 60k Euros per year, you pay 50% taxes on your salary. You also pay a VAT up to 20% on everything you buy (it&#8217;s 10 and 20). If you buy gas for your car, you pay a fuel tax, which makes up more than 50% of the fuel price you pay at the station, plus 20% VAT. Some years ago, the Green party here said that fuel should be 20 Schillings per liter (that&#8217;s roughly 1.5 Euros.) We have reached this point already. Then, if you have a car, you are required to have an insurance. Plus the government taxes you based on the horse power of your car. And so on. With this we have the highest tax income in the history of this country. And the money is not enough. Our national debt will hit 75% of the GDP next year and our deficit is still growing. So, how are we going to finance wind and solar power on a scale that would make the enviro-nitwits happy? We can&#8217;t. It&#8217;s impossible.</p>
<p>But I still say all of this is planned by our so called &#8220;leaders&#8221;. Nobody can tell me that this is just a &#8220;whoops, I didn&#8217;t see it&#8221; moment. Nobody can be THAT stupid or ignorant. They want this to happen. They only care about two things: power and how they look like in the media. Obama, Merkel, Faymann, Kan, they&#8217;re all the same. They want this to happen.</p>
<p>Yeah, I&#8217;m having a field day. Sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: Tesh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Mar 2011 18:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Speaking of politics, though... there&#039;s this interesting tidbit:

http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=182524

Gotta use that Japanese crisis to push the Green agenda!  Whee!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of politics, though&#8230; there&#8217;s this interesting tidbit:</p>
<p><a href="http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=182524" rel="nofollow">http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=182524</a></p>
<p>Gotta use that Japanese crisis to push the Green agenda!  Whee!</p>
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		<title>By: SmokyBG</title>
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		<dc:creator>SmokyBG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Mar 2011 17:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually, if I don&#039;t move to another country I&#039;ll probably never be able to afford a brand new car, and what second-hand car I can afford will certainly be sub-100HP and fuel efficient because of the price of gas and not only for environment considerations , so it looks like I&#039;m as far from owning a Prius as you are. I&#039;m also really sorry to hear about your situation, and I definitely do not consider a tiny car appropriate for it, nor have I said anywhere that small cars are appropriate for for all situations. All I&#039;m saying is that greener cars should be readily available at reasonable price points from the car manufacturers and that they should be the default choice provided there are no special circumstances, such as in your case.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, if I don&#8217;t move to another country I&#8217;ll probably never be able to afford a brand new car, and what second-hand car I can afford will certainly be sub-100HP and fuel efficient because of the price of gas and not only for environment considerations , so it looks like I&#8217;m as far from owning a Prius as you are. I&#8217;m also really sorry to hear about your situation, and I definitely do not consider a tiny car appropriate for it, nor have I said anywhere that small cars are appropriate for for all situations. All I&#8217;m saying is that greener cars should be readily available at reasonable price points from the car manufacturers and that they should be the default choice provided there are no special circumstances, such as in your case.</p>
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		<title>By: SmokyBG</title>
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		<dc:creator>SmokyBG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Mar 2011 16:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, not writing in your native language and not being very good at writing in general often make precisely conveying one&#039;s thoughts a bit difficult, and I definitely never meant to tell you what you can and what you cannot write on your own site :-) After reading the post and your additional comments a couple more times (and I did read it more than once before posting, whether or not that was apparent from my comment), I see where you are coming from, and my view of a twenty-eight year old with basically no worries and (thankfully) no serious hardships in my life so far is somewhat naturally in a different spot on the opinion spectrum compared to yours.
As to what provoked my initial reaction, it was how I understood these two sentences:&lt;q&gt;I clawed my way to where I am now, and I damn well used precious little in the way of the worlds’ natural resources to do it. My goal in life has always been to provide a better way of life for MY children than I had growing up, so they could have abundance where I knew only scarcity.&lt;/q&gt; I don&#039;t agree with the notion that past or present hardships are an excuse not to take part in trying to solve an issue of a global scale - contributing should definitely be proportional, but totally ignoring such issues is getting us nowhere; from your comments you seem to be roughly of the same opinion.
So, as a massive number of people is needed to achieve some palpable change on a global scale, people get spammed with green propaganda, even more so in big cities where 99% of what they touch daily is so resource-expensive and so it&#039;s easier to save; you are the unfortunate victim of a spam wave in no way targeted towards you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, not writing in your native language and not being very good at writing in general often make precisely conveying one&#8217;s thoughts a bit difficult, and I definitely never meant to tell you what you can and what you cannot write on your own site :-) After reading the post and your additional comments a couple more times (and I did read it more than once before posting, whether or not that was apparent from my comment), I see where you are coming from, and my view of a twenty-eight year old with basically no worries and (thankfully) no serious hardships in my life so far is somewhat naturally in a different spot on the opinion spectrum compared to yours.<br />
As to what provoked my initial reaction, it was how I understood these two sentences:<q>I clawed my way to where I am now, and I damn well used precious little in the way of the worlds’ natural resources to do it. My goal in life has always been to provide a better way of life for MY children than I had growing up, so they could have abundance where I knew only scarcity.</q> I don&#8217;t agree with the notion that past or present hardships are an excuse not to take part in trying to solve an issue of a global scale &#8211; contributing should definitely be proportional, but totally ignoring such issues is getting us nowhere; from your comments you seem to be roughly of the same opinion.<br />
So, as a massive number of people is needed to achieve some palpable change on a global scale, people get spammed with green propaganda, even more so in big cities where 99% of what they touch daily is so resource-expensive and so it&#8217;s easier to save; you are the unfortunate victim of a spam wave in no way targeted towards you.</p>
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		<title>By: Tesh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Mar 2011 16:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;If they worked as well as they say they do, grants would not be necessary to encourage people to get them…people would get them on their own&quot;

This is a crucial point for any tech that the government wants to shove in our lifestyle via policy.  If the tech has to be subsidized to be sustainable... it&#039;s not good business and it deserves to die out.  That tax money could be spent far more effectively... or left with the taxpayer to start with.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If they worked as well as they say they do, grants would not be necessary to encourage people to get them…people would get them on their own&#8221;</p>
<p>This is a crucial point for any tech that the government wants to shove in our lifestyle via policy.  If the tech has to be subsidized to be sustainable&#8230; it&#8217;s not good business and it deserves to die out.  That tax money could be spent far more effectively&#8230; or left with the taxpayer to start with.</p>
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		<title>By: Mannyac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mannyac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Mar 2011 16:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You are more than entitled to your opinion.
I am truly glad (no, really, I am) you can afford car payments, increased insurance rates, and here in Virginia, property taxes on your vehicle. Unfortunately, I cannot.  
One other thing I did not choose to go into, is that my wife requires a wheelchair to get around, they don&#039;t fit so good in an econobox, nor can an econobox successfully pull the trailer I have to buy in order to carry an electric wheel chair (so I do actually need a 200-300hp car) If I had the money to buy a new vehicle it would be a van or an SUV in order to carry her chair inside.
So no, I have no intention of &quot;sacrificing&quot; my vehicle in order to go more green.
Oh yeah, don&#039;t forget my inability to fit in a Shire-built vehicle.

One more thing, I do try to use, glass instead of plastic for things like water. and I do what I can to cut down on waste. 
If I lived closer to anything but a grocery store, I would walk. 
Of course, if there were actually sidewalks so I don&#039;t have to walk along major roads to get places (which also eliminates safe biking), that would help too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are more than entitled to your opinion.<br />
I am truly glad (no, really, I am) you can afford car payments, increased insurance rates, and here in Virginia, property taxes on your vehicle. Unfortunately, I cannot.<br />
One other thing I did not choose to go into, is that my wife requires a wheelchair to get around, they don&#8217;t fit so good in an econobox, nor can an econobox successfully pull the trailer I have to buy in order to carry an electric wheel chair (so I do actually need a 200-300hp car) If I had the money to buy a new vehicle it would be a van or an SUV in order to carry her chair inside.<br />
So no, I have no intention of &#8220;sacrificing&#8221; my vehicle in order to go more green.<br />
Oh yeah, don&#8217;t forget my inability to fit in a Shire-built vehicle.</p>
<p>One more thing, I do try to use, glass instead of plastic for things like water. and I do what I can to cut down on waste.<br />
If I lived closer to anything but a grocery store, I would walk.<br />
Of course, if there were actually sidewalks so I don&#8217;t have to walk along major roads to get places (which also eliminates safe biking), that would help too.</p>
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		<title>By: Tesh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Mar 2011 16:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When I was growing up, the mantra was &quot;reduce, reuse, recycle&quot;.  That always made sense to me.  It also meshes well with what I know of my pioneer ancestors and those who made it through the Great Depression.  You simply do as much as you can with what you have.  It&#039;s simple pragmatism.  Toss in some of that &quot;don&#039;t steal&quot; and &quot;be nice to others&quot;, and it all works pretty nicely together.

But the Green movement, from Al Gore down to the rank and file hypocrites?  Contemptible liars with way too much power over policy.  Not to get too religious (because people can be touchy about that, too), but the scriptures record Jesus as being rather harsh on hypocrites and those who would lie to get gain.  If *He* didn&#039;t like &#039;em, it seems to me there may be good reason.

Be good to the planet, sure.  That&#039;s a Boy Scout thing; leave a place better than how you find it.  That&#039;s just courtesy and common sense.  But the power-grabbing green sermonizers are just... a study in absurdity.

...so yeah, agreed on all counts, BBB.  I&#039;m not one to indulge in cussin&#039; (just a personal choice), but some of the more... colorful... terms that I know would be loosed on these people if I let myself go.  I&#039;m pretty sure there&#039;s a special place in hell for hypocrites, fascists and statists.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was growing up, the mantra was &#8220;reduce, reuse, recycle&#8221;.  That always made sense to me.  It also meshes well with what I know of my pioneer ancestors and those who made it through the Great Depression.  You simply do as much as you can with what you have.  It&#8217;s simple pragmatism.  Toss in some of that &#8220;don&#8217;t steal&#8221; and &#8220;be nice to others&#8221;, and it all works pretty nicely together.</p>
<p>But the Green movement, from Al Gore down to the rank and file hypocrites?  Contemptible liars with way too much power over policy.  Not to get too religious (because people can be touchy about that, too), but the scriptures record Jesus as being rather harsh on hypocrites and those who would lie to get gain.  If *He* didn&#8217;t like &#8216;em, it seems to me there may be good reason.</p>
<p>Be good to the planet, sure.  That&#8217;s a Boy Scout thing; leave a place better than how you find it.  That&#8217;s just courtesy and common sense.  But the power-grabbing green sermonizers are just&#8230; a study in absurdity.</p>
<p>&#8230;so yeah, agreed on all counts, BBB.  I&#8217;m not one to indulge in cussin&#8217; (just a personal choice), but some of the more&#8230; colorful&#8230; terms that I know would be loosed on these people if I let myself go.  I&#8217;m pretty sure there&#8217;s a special place in hell for hypocrites, fascists and statists.</p>
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		<title>By: Rowtan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rowtan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Babb - so the company recently advertising to install and maintain solar panels for 25 years for free, in order for them to take advantage of a government initiative, and after 25 years just simply giving them to us, was a scam?  I suppose it does depend what country you are in, and how serious the government is about it ... http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/utilities/free-solar-panels#who]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Babb &#8211; so the company recently advertising to install and maintain solar panels for 25 years for free, in order for them to take advantage of a government initiative, and after 25 years just simply giving them to us, was a scam?  I suppose it does depend what country you are in, and how serious the government is about it &#8230; <a href="http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/utilities/free-solar-panels#who" rel="nofollow">http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/utilities/free-solar-panels#who</a></p>
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