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		<title>By: bigbearbutt</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2011/04/12/playing-with-the-big-leagues/comment-page-1/#comment-54420</link>
		<dc:creator>bigbearbutt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Apr 2011 21:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[NO worries, and great comment. It probably SHOULD be all three, if you&#039;re lucky enough to have that kind of relationship with people to play with.

I&#039;m almost there now. In a huge freaking guild, but with only a few people I&#039;m getting to know, so circles within circles. And I&#039;m leveling solo. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NO worries, and great comment. It probably SHOULD be all three, if you&#8217;re lucky enough to have that kind of relationship with people to play with.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m almost there now. In a huge freaking guild, but with only a few people I&#8217;m getting to know, so circles within circles. And I&#8217;m leveling solo. :)</p>
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		<title>By: vinetail</title>
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		<dc:creator>vinetail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When you think of WoW, is your mental picture of the game about something that you play with huge gobs of people, is it a solo experience in a huge world, or is it a cooperative game?

I see it as a mix of the three. 

When I started playing WoW at a friend’s insistence, I joined his guild, which was HUGE. It didn’t just span WoW, but was a collective of a few hundred players who played many games. First-person shooters, real-time strategy, MMORPGs -- if it was out there, these folks played it. It’s a meta-guild. To give you an idea of what that’s like, the WoW province of the meta-guild was so large, that there was one WoW guild for Alliance characters on one server, and two WoW guilds for Horde characters on another. 

When a guild gets that massive, it’s inevitable that small groups form. Say you wind up playing with the same 50-75 people for years, because they’re on the same schedule. Of that 75, you’ll get along decently with ¾ of them, and then really well with about ¼. You effectively make your own tiny guild within the larger one, and have the cooperative experience with your friends and family that way. While I started playing so that I’d actually interact with my friend who’d disappeared into Azeroth, I started making friends with my guildmates. Some of those friendships have lasted for six years. But it definitely took months to hit that sweet spot, where I knew enough people and had spent enough time there to break the ice.

I got the solo experience, when I came back to WoW at the tail end of Wrath, and had to level from 70-80 on my own. That was strange, to only be occasionally joined by someone’s alt. I still talked with everyone in guild chat, and on Vent… but man, catching up 10 levels was damn lonely. Not my bag at all. 

As far as the guild perks… I sure wish that guild rep was tied to your rank in the guild.

(Btw, sorry to make my first comment so freaking long!)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you think of WoW, is your mental picture of the game about something that you play with huge gobs of people, is it a solo experience in a huge world, or is it a cooperative game?</p>
<p>I see it as a mix of the three. </p>
<p>When I started playing WoW at a friend’s insistence, I joined his guild, which was HUGE. It didn’t just span WoW, but was a collective of a few hundred players who played many games. First-person shooters, real-time strategy, MMORPGs &#8212; if it was out there, these folks played it. It’s a meta-guild. To give you an idea of what that’s like, the WoW province of the meta-guild was so large, that there was one WoW guild for Alliance characters on one server, and two WoW guilds for Horde characters on another. </p>
<p>When a guild gets that massive, it’s inevitable that small groups form. Say you wind up playing with the same 50-75 people for years, because they’re on the same schedule. Of that 75, you’ll get along decently with ¾ of them, and then really well with about ¼. You effectively make your own tiny guild within the larger one, and have the cooperative experience with your friends and family that way. While I started playing so that I’d actually interact with my friend who’d disappeared into Azeroth, I started making friends with my guildmates. Some of those friendships have lasted for six years. But it definitely took months to hit that sweet spot, where I knew enough people and had spent enough time there to break the ice.</p>
<p>I got the solo experience, when I came back to WoW at the tail end of Wrath, and had to level from 70-80 on my own. That was strange, to only be occasionally joined by someone’s alt. I still talked with everyone in guild chat, and on Vent… but man, catching up 10 levels was damn lonely. Not my bag at all. </p>
<p>As far as the guild perks… I sure wish that guild rep was tied to your rank in the guild.</p>
<p>(Btw, sorry to make my first comment so freaking long!)</p>
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		<title>By: Jey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Apr 2011 00:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I generally agree that the perks form the guild leveling are just that but there are some of them that dont seem to make sense. Like the Cauldrons that you get for flasks that you work pretty hard to earn and then you get them and have to get to level 20 before you can even have everyone get one out of a single cauldron.

Also if you are getting annoyed with the questing in outland and northrend then try going back and doing some of the low level zones as a high level characters. I have been working on Loremaster (only the Hinterlands left yo) and there are some really cool zones. Silverpine Forest if you are horde moves into a battle between the forsaken and the Gilneans, and hillsbrad is really funny. You already mentioned Un&#039;goro, the maximillian(spelling?) quests there are golden. Ive found it really relaxing and a lot of fun to go back to those zones and see all the updates.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I generally agree that the perks form the guild leveling are just that but there are some of them that dont seem to make sense. Like the Cauldrons that you get for flasks that you work pretty hard to earn and then you get them and have to get to level 20 before you can even have everyone get one out of a single cauldron.</p>
<p>Also if you are getting annoyed with the questing in outland and northrend then try going back and doing some of the low level zones as a high level characters. I have been working on Loremaster (only the Hinterlands left yo) and there are some really cool zones. Silverpine Forest if you are horde moves into a battle between the forsaken and the Gilneans, and hillsbrad is really funny. You already mentioned Un&#8217;goro, the maximillian(spelling?) quests there are golden. Ive found it really relaxing and a lot of fun to go back to those zones and see all the updates.</p>
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		<title>By: Tesh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2011 18:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s inevitable when you inventivize guild membership with loot and perks.  It&#039;s no longer about playing together, it&#039;s about using each other.  If anything, the whole system is a further strain on the social fabric of the game.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s inevitable when you inventivize guild membership with loot and perks.  It&#8217;s no longer about playing together, it&#8217;s about using each other.  If anything, the whole system is a further strain on the social fabric of the game.</p>
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		<title>By: Kay</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2011/04/12/playing-with-the-big-leagues/comment-page-1/#comment-54322</link>
		<dc:creator>Kay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2011 17:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nor do they go away if you leave the guild.  We had a few people join us at the start of Cataclysm, work their way to Revered (contributing quite a lot of XP, flasks, etc along the way, mind you), buy everything available at Revered, then deguild for a larger/more progressed group.  Not sure how I feel about this.  On the one hand, it&#039;s their gametime and if it can be better spent elsewhere, more power to them.  On the other hand, damn, that&#039;s kinda...mercenary.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nor do they go away if you leave the guild.  We had a few people join us at the start of Cataclysm, work their way to Revered (contributing quite a lot of XP, flasks, etc along the way, mind you), buy everything available at Revered, then deguild for a larger/more progressed group.  Not sure how I feel about this.  On the one hand, it&#8217;s their gametime and if it can be better spent elsewhere, more power to them.  On the other hand, damn, that&#8217;s kinda&#8230;mercenary.</p>
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		<title>By: Tesh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2011 16:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Indeed, and it seems that the only guilds that really benefit from this are the big raiding guilds.  That sort of undermines the whole &quot;we want you in guilds&quot; presentation.  Or at least, it&#039;s just another silly bit of design weighted toward the endgame, which again runs contrary to the &quot;Cataclysm makes the old world relevant again&quot; spiel.  I tell ya, the WoW Live Team is schizophrenic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, and it seems that the only guilds that really benefit from this are the big raiding guilds.  That sort of undermines the whole &#8220;we want you in guilds&#8221; presentation.  Or at least, it&#8217;s just another silly bit of design weighted toward the endgame, which again runs contrary to the &#8220;Cataclysm makes the old world relevant again&#8221; spiel.  I tell ya, the WoW Live Team is schizophrenic.</p>
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		<title>By: Bloodshrike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bloodshrike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2011 12:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;First, if it’s divided amongst what gets you to the raiding level, and what is a fine but essentially useless perk, then why do the guild-only Heirlooms require guild rep? By the time my Hunter will be able to buy them, she won’t need them. Maybe they’re specifically for your alts in the guild, and alts only.&quot;

From what I understand, you have your high level toon on that server buy them, and send them to your low level alts.  They don&#039;t have to be in the same guild.

&quot;Guild Levels have been out for a while. I imagine most folks have already made their decision. They’ve chosen to either stay with their small guild and accept no rewards because they don’t raid or play enough, or split and join a larger guild.&quot; 

Not necessarily.  I have my own guilds on 3 servers, and have a system in place to level the guilds, without raiding.  After I leveled my guild on my main server to level 2 by MYSELF, I said &quot;screw it,&quot; and outsourced.   Since then I&#039;ve gotten to almost level 7 on Demon Soul, almost level 3 on Daggerspine, and almost level 2 on Darrowmere.  I want the guild rewards, but I don&#039;t want to have to raid to get them, at least not until I&#039;m ready.
http://aboyandhisdeathrays.blogspot.com/2011/03/dirty-little-secret.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;First, if it’s divided amongst what gets you to the raiding level, and what is a fine but essentially useless perk, then why do the guild-only Heirlooms require guild rep? By the time my Hunter will be able to buy them, she won’t need them. Maybe they’re specifically for your alts in the guild, and alts only.&#8221;</p>
<p>From what I understand, you have your high level toon on that server buy them, and send them to your low level alts.  They don&#8217;t have to be in the same guild.</p>
<p>&#8220;Guild Levels have been out for a while. I imagine most folks have already made their decision. They’ve chosen to either stay with their small guild and accept no rewards because they don’t raid or play enough, or split and join a larger guild.&#8221; </p>
<p>Not necessarily.  I have my own guilds on 3 servers, and have a system in place to level the guilds, without raiding.  After I leveled my guild on my main server to level 2 by MYSELF, I said &#8220;screw it,&#8221; and outsourced.   Since then I&#8217;ve gotten to almost level 7 on Demon Soul, almost level 3 on Daggerspine, and almost level 2 on Darrowmere.  I want the guild rewards, but I don&#8217;t want to have to raid to get them, at least not until I&#8217;m ready.<br />
<a href="http://aboyandhisdeathrays.blogspot.com/2011/03/dirty-little-secret.html" rel="nofollow">http://aboyandhisdeathrays.blogspot.com/2011/03/dirty-little-secret.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: WoWMidas</title>
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		<dc:creator>WoWMidas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2011 03:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ironforge.  Ironforge in the days when we all hung out in the plaza between the bank and the AH.  The center of my universe.

Going back there, long after the world&#039;s pulse had left Shattrath and moved onto Dalaran, the memories were haunting.  The place seemed so empty.  Echoey.  The pounding music was still there, but no players.  Just quiet NPCs, subdued, with far fewer people to sample their wares.  I miss the place, and am more attached to it, than many places I&#039;ve spent time in IRL - this side of the screen.

I remember toons climbing up in the AH rafters. I remember when that giant demon ran through Ironforge over and over and left hundreds of people dead - there were bones everywhere (I still have pictures!).   But most of all, I remember guildmates, friends who are long gone.  

I remember times when we&#039;d light a fire right there, sit in a circle, and tell each other stories.

Thanks for the post.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ironforge.  Ironforge in the days when we all hung out in the plaza between the bank and the AH.  The center of my universe.</p>
<p>Going back there, long after the world&#8217;s pulse had left Shattrath and moved onto Dalaran, the memories were haunting.  The place seemed so empty.  Echoey.  The pounding music was still there, but no players.  Just quiet NPCs, subdued, with far fewer people to sample their wares.  I miss the place, and am more attached to it, than many places I&#8217;ve spent time in IRL &#8211; this side of the screen.</p>
<p>I remember toons climbing up in the AH rafters. I remember when that giant demon ran through Ironforge over and over and left hundreds of people dead &#8211; there were bones everywhere (I still have pictures!).   But most of all, I remember guildmates, friends who are long gone.  </p>
<p>I remember times when we&#8217;d light a fire right there, sit in a circle, and tell each other stories.</p>
<p>Thanks for the post.</p>
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		<title>By: bigbearbutt</title>
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		<dc:creator>bigbearbutt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2011 02:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[that&#039;s exactly what I&#039;m talking about, that disparity. I&#039;m only halfway through neutral at 65, and i&#039;ve been in the guild since level 1? Really?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that&#8217;s exactly what I&#8217;m talking about, that disparity. I&#8217;m only halfway through neutral at 65, and i&#8217;ve been in the guild since level 1? Really?</p>
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		<title>By: theanorak</title>
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		<dc:creator>theanorak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2011 01:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That bit about the zones you avoid in Outland made me think how much I *need* the zones and dungeons I don’t like: to remind me how good the things I *do* like are. 

If you don&#039;t drink the milk, you might forget how rich and delicious the cream is. ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That bit about the zones you avoid in Outland made me think how much I *need* the zones and dungeons I don’t like: to remind me how good the things I *do* like are. </p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t drink the milk, you might forget how rich and delicious the cream is. ;)</p>
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