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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2012 23:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve done the quest on alliance. As a skinner I never wanted to turn the hook in. Loads of dragonscale, almost as good as farming the dazed drakes in deepholm. I wish I could recall how I got to it because I&#039;ve tried to pick it up on my other 2 Alliance 85s and haven&#039;t been able to pick up the chain.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve done the quest on alliance. As a skinner I never wanted to turn the hook in. Loads of dragonscale, almost as good as farming the dazed drakes in deepholm. I wish I could recall how I got to it because I&#8217;ve tried to pick it up on my other 2 Alliance 85s and haven&#8217;t been able to pick up the chain.</p>
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		<title>By: nugget</title>
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		<dc:creator>nugget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2012 13:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Aweh. Heh. I dunno. The culture here...

But that&#039;s over 15 years gone. =) And I&#039;m migrating to Australia to boot!

So I got out, after enduring 6 more years. 

As to the local authorities. I remember when we called the cops, they did absolutely nothing. Heh.

Still, I hear it&#039;s better in other places, and you guys are affirming that, and that&#039;s good!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aweh. Heh. I dunno. The culture here&#8230;</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s over 15 years gone. =) And I&#8217;m migrating to Australia to boot!</p>
<p>So I got out, after enduring 6 more years. </p>
<p>As to the local authorities. I remember when we called the cops, they did absolutely nothing. Heh.</p>
<p>Still, I hear it&#8217;s better in other places, and you guys are affirming that, and that&#8217;s good!</p>
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		<title>By: Don Ferren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Ferren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2012 21:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, don&#039;t ever put up with that kind of abuse, even in that situation. There are foster families who would *LOVE* to take you in and show you that family members don&#039;t hurt each other. I know this personally, because my wife and I are foster parents. It breaks our hearts to have children in our home that were abused, but we know that such a thing WILL NOT HAPPEN on our watch.

Get in touch with the authorities, and your local Department of Children &amp; Family Services (name my differ in different states) will investigate and get you out of that situation. They will also do their best to help your parents clean up their act. Sometimes, all it takes is a wake-up call from the authorities for the parents to learn to *not* treat their children this way. Sadly, though, sometimes they don&#039;t change. Your local social workers will be on top of the situation, though.

Get help ASAP!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, don&#8217;t ever put up with that kind of abuse, even in that situation. There are foster families who would *LOVE* to take you in and show you that family members don&#8217;t hurt each other. I know this personally, because my wife and I are foster parents. It breaks our hearts to have children in our home that were abused, but we know that such a thing WILL NOT HAPPEN on our watch.</p>
<p>Get in touch with the authorities, and your local Department of Children &amp; Family Services (name my differ in different states) will investigate and get you out of that situation. They will also do their best to help your parents clean up their act. Sometimes, all it takes is a wake-up call from the authorities for the parents to learn to *not* treat their children this way. Sadly, though, sometimes they don&#8217;t change. Your local social workers will be on top of the situation, though.</p>
<p>Get help ASAP!</p>
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		<title>By: Riegnman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Riegnman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2012 20:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@nugget. You tell someone. There are always options. It is just that sometimes we don&#039;t take them for one reason or another. People are terrible to other people.  Usually their families. My wife and I have fostered over 50 &quot;treatment foster kids&quot; over the last 13 years and I am here to tell you that there are those out there that will help a scared 12 year old. Unfortunately, the kids that we deal with are the ones that haven&#039;t been helped in a timely manner because of whatever reason and we don&#039;t see a lot of the successes that you see in regular foster care. If you are the scared 12 year old there are options. If you know the scared 12 year old, then you could be one of their options.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@nugget. You tell someone. There are always options. It is just that sometimes we don&#8217;t take them for one reason or another. People are terrible to other people.  Usually their families. My wife and I have fostered over 50 &#8220;treatment foster kids&#8221; over the last 13 years and I am here to tell you that there are those out there that will help a scared 12 year old. Unfortunately, the kids that we deal with are the ones that haven&#8217;t been helped in a timely manner because of whatever reason and we don&#8217;t see a lot of the successes that you see in regular foster care. If you are the scared 12 year old there are options. If you know the scared 12 year old, then you could be one of their options.</p>
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		<title>By: nugget</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2012/06/17/the-cub-report-and-then-reality-came-a-calling/comment-page-1/#comment-73339</link>
		<dc:creator>nugget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2012 08:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Don’t ever be a victim, don’t ever accept abuse, don’t ever give another power over you unless you choose to.&quot;

...and what if you&#039;re 12, and scared, and your family is abusive, and you have no relatives who will take you in, no support, no nothing?

You do what you can to survive, you make your plans, and then, when you&#039;ve grown old enough to be employable, you put them into action and get the Hell out of there.

But Bear...

...where I&#039;m from, that means being a victim for at least 6 more years.

You wrote a great post, as always - but when I read that it made me a little sad inside. Sometimes life just ... doesn&#039;t give make the choices so simple.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Don’t ever be a victim, don’t ever accept abuse, don’t ever give another power over you unless you choose to.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;and what if you&#8217;re 12, and scared, and your family is abusive, and you have no relatives who will take you in, no support, no nothing?</p>
<p>You do what you can to survive, you make your plans, and then, when you&#8217;ve grown old enough to be employable, you put them into action and get the Hell out of there.</p>
<p>But Bear&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;where I&#8217;m from, that means being a victim for at least 6 more years.</p>
<p>You wrote a great post, as always &#8211; but when I read that it made me a little sad inside. Sometimes life just &#8230; doesn&#8217;t give make the choices so simple.</p>
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		<title>By: PapaBear</title>
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		<dc:creator>PapaBear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2012 16:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kudos in your handling. I am a bit more confrontational and would have just let him pull stuff off of me and let him die a few times. But with the cub around, that really isnt an option. 

I am reminded of a time when I was driving to pick up breakfast for the family and my nieces and cousins were in the car. This was in a 3rd world country where the police are extremely corrupt. A police officer told me that he wanted to haul all of us (including my 4 year old niece) to the police station for questioning unless we would pay a fine(bribe) for driving with an international license. If I were alone, I would have said haul away and called up his superiors and gotten him fired, but because my niece was present, I couldn&#039;t do that and I meekly paid the bribe.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kudos in your handling. I am a bit more confrontational and would have just let him pull stuff off of me and let him die a few times. But with the cub around, that really isnt an option. </p>
<p>I am reminded of a time when I was driving to pick up breakfast for the family and my nieces and cousins were in the car. This was in a 3rd world country where the police are extremely corrupt. A police officer told me that he wanted to haul all of us (including my 4 year old niece) to the police station for questioning unless we would pay a fine(bribe) for driving with an international license. If I were alone, I would have said haul away and called up his superiors and gotten him fired, but because my niece was present, I couldn&#8217;t do that and I meekly paid the bribe.</p>
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		<title>By: Scizor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scizor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2012 07:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bear, I have been reading your posts on and off for a very, very long time now, but have never felt the need to post before. However, I decided this is a topic worth commenting on. I agree with your philosophy on running with Assholes, and as my 8 year old son has just began playing WoW himself, it has reminded me of the precautions i have to take with him online. Sure, he never plays without me there, but I will have to explain to him what sort of behaviour he may find from people in this game. I thank you for an enlightening post again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bear, I have been reading your posts on and off for a very, very long time now, but have never felt the need to post before. However, I decided this is a topic worth commenting on. I agree with your philosophy on running with Assholes, and as my 8 year old son has just began playing WoW himself, it has reminded me of the precautions i have to take with him online. Sure, he never plays without me there, but I will have to explain to him what sort of behaviour he may find from people in this game. I thank you for an enlightening post again.</p>
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		<title>By: Kauket</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kauket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2012 03:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fair enough.  The cost of presumption is a just rebuke.  I apologize for my challenging tone.

I&#039;m delighted to hear that you&#039;ve taken action and that my impression of you as a person of integrity has been upheld.  I&#039;ll be glad to take away the moral that cynicism isn&#039;t always right and I should try to extend a bit more trust.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough.  The cost of presumption is a just rebuke.  I apologize for my challenging tone.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m delighted to hear that you&#8217;ve taken action and that my impression of you as a person of integrity has been upheld.  I&#8217;ll be glad to take away the moral that cynicism isn&#8217;t always right and I should try to extend a bit more trust.</p>
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		<title>By: bigbearbutt</title>
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		<dc:creator>bigbearbutt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2012 03:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, I know that I think my son is mainly interested in playing WoW because it is something that I do, and therefore can become another thing we do together. If I show an interest in anything, so does he, which is natural. He enjoys aspects of the game on his own irrespective of whether I&#039;m on, but for the most part he wants to do the same stuff, and that includes raiding.

That is why I&#039;ve been as patient as possible, coaching him on how to play in groups, being the tank so I can make sure we&#039;re at the same pace, that sort of thing. It&#039;s a long road to max level, and god bless Blizzard for LFR, because the honest truth is most raid teams won&#039;t give someone nine years old a shot, but in the role of DPS, yes, I hate to break it to you, but a nine year old can do just fine.

I think it might crush a few egos that are adamant that DPS is very, very hard work, but most DPS players don&#039;t fully utilize their utility. They focus on straight DPS maximizing abilities, or in other words, stuff to make thier logs look better. 

We did two more totally random Heroic Twilights again tonight, an End Time followed by a Hour of Twilight.

Alex consistently performs at the 12k level. Not so great, until you take into account he has an iLevel 333 two handed sword. 

In the first run, End Time, we had a Shadow Priest as DPS. The Shadow Priest had never been in the instance before, ever, and pulled, I wish I was kidding, 4k DPS. I truly think the player was trying their best, but I believe it was that mythical player who does not know what addons are, does not read MMO Champion, doesn&#039;t know what an Elitist Jerks spec is, and in short only knows what they have figured out in the game. 4k DPS, and I was very, very patient, reminding to recover mana, recommending they stay out of melee range all the time on Murozond, and at the least don&#039;t stand on top of me and bring the glowing circles of pain on top of the tank, etc. When faced with that, a 12k DPS player who does every single thing right, assiduously follows skull targets and kills fountains of light is a prize.

In the second run, we had a rogue who was on top of the charts with 20k, posted recount and cheered their DPS, and as soon as the first boss was dead and we had started the run with Thrall through the groups of adds, went afk saying &quot;BBL, food is here&quot; and left us to kill ALL the trash without them. Reappeared 4 seconds before the timer would have let me kick them, as the second boss dropped down. 

Two runs, two situations where I&#039;m thinking, really, the key is to be patient, work with them, play with them, and explain why it helps the group to do things a certain way, and be prepared to explain why some people are just so damn bad.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I know that I think my son is mainly interested in playing WoW because it is something that I do, and therefore can become another thing we do together. If I show an interest in anything, so does he, which is natural. He enjoys aspects of the game on his own irrespective of whether I&#8217;m on, but for the most part he wants to do the same stuff, and that includes raiding.</p>
<p>That is why I&#8217;ve been as patient as possible, coaching him on how to play in groups, being the tank so I can make sure we&#8217;re at the same pace, that sort of thing. It&#8217;s a long road to max level, and god bless Blizzard for LFR, because the honest truth is most raid teams won&#8217;t give someone nine years old a shot, but in the role of DPS, yes, I hate to break it to you, but a nine year old can do just fine.</p>
<p>I think it might crush a few egos that are adamant that DPS is very, very hard work, but most DPS players don&#8217;t fully utilize their utility. They focus on straight DPS maximizing abilities, or in other words, stuff to make thier logs look better. </p>
<p>We did two more totally random Heroic Twilights again tonight, an End Time followed by a Hour of Twilight.</p>
<p>Alex consistently performs at the 12k level. Not so great, until you take into account he has an iLevel 333 two handed sword. </p>
<p>In the first run, End Time, we had a Shadow Priest as DPS. The Shadow Priest had never been in the instance before, ever, and pulled, I wish I was kidding, 4k DPS. I truly think the player was trying their best, but I believe it was that mythical player who does not know what addons are, does not read MMO Champion, doesn&#8217;t know what an Elitist Jerks spec is, and in short only knows what they have figured out in the game. 4k DPS, and I was very, very patient, reminding to recover mana, recommending they stay out of melee range all the time on Murozond, and at the least don&#8217;t stand on top of me and bring the glowing circles of pain on top of the tank, etc. When faced with that, a 12k DPS player who does every single thing right, assiduously follows skull targets and kills fountains of light is a prize.</p>
<p>In the second run, we had a rogue who was on top of the charts with 20k, posted recount and cheered their DPS, and as soon as the first boss was dead and we had started the run with Thrall through the groups of adds, went afk saying &#8220;BBL, food is here&#8221; and left us to kill ALL the trash without them. Reappeared 4 seconds before the timer would have let me kick them, as the second boss dropped down. </p>
<p>Two runs, two situations where I&#8217;m thinking, really, the key is to be patient, work with them, play with them, and explain why it helps the group to do things a certain way, and be prepared to explain why some people are just so damn bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Xenogriff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xenogriff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2012 02:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you queue with 2 others, you will need the 4th to click yes as well

I would&#039;ve tried for the vote kick first - let that idiot sit through another 15 mins of queue time - if the kick had failed then you could&#039;ve dropped group. at least you tried before having the 30 min debuff]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you queue with 2 others, you will need the 4th to click yes as well</p>
<p>I would&#8217;ve tried for the vote kick first &#8211; let that idiot sit through another 15 mins of queue time &#8211; if the kick had failed then you could&#8217;ve dropped group. at least you tried before having the 30 min debuff</p>
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