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		<title>By: bigbearbutt</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2012/11/15/ow-the-loot-bloomin-loot/comment-page-1/#comment-83470</link>
		<dc:creator>bigbearbutt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2012 03:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have won multiple loot of the same type, actually. I have won the Agility Mail helm twice, the second time while I had the first equipped and gemmed. Just as a point of reference to show that the random nature does allow for winning the same thing multiple times.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have won multiple loot of the same type, actually. I have won the Agility Mail helm twice, the second time while I had the first equipped and gemmed. Just as a point of reference to show that the random nature does allow for winning the same thing multiple times.</p>
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		<title>By: Bristal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bristal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2012 17:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have won multiple items as well, and curiouslly, not a single duplicate, nor a single piece I&#039;ve had to vendor. But that may be because I studied loot tables closely and bought valor gear that I was unlikely to get in LFR. Or just lucky.

It does seem like my luck with extra rolls was much better than with initial rolls, and I think it&#039;s more likely that Blizz would slide the odds of the extra rolls to further the value of dailies.

However, I don&#039;t like the empty feeling of the new roll system. I rarely raid in a premade group anymore, and I miss even the sometimes drama laden loot interactions of the old system, because it also gave people the chance to be charitable, which they often were. I know a lot of people needed on items in order to give them away, suggesting that players crave the power to influence others in MMOs. And I think people are basically good if given the opportunity.

I would really like Blizz to try to implement some kind of feedback or reward system for good LFR raid leaders or players. Something that would encourage helpful, constructive interactions. In regular raiding, there is exhaustive explaining and reminders before pulls. In LFR it&#039;s typically silence and then the flaming shock after a wipe that not everyone knows what to do. And that&#039;s on the first week the raid is released.

I must have wiped 15 times on Garalon the first week, over several different days. Many times the pull was initiated without conversation. A few times there was terse and poorly worded instructions, and once with a clearly excellent leader with a novel approach (passing between 2 tanks). I followed that player over 4 or 5 attempts, each time getting closer and closer and that was when I truly learned the fight. We never succeeded, but it was really fun trying. I let him know how much I appreciated his skill and patience. Players like that should be rewarded in the game.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have won multiple items as well, and curiouslly, not a single duplicate, nor a single piece I&#8217;ve had to vendor. But that may be because I studied loot tables closely and bought valor gear that I was unlikely to get in LFR. Or just lucky.</p>
<p>It does seem like my luck with extra rolls was much better than with initial rolls, and I think it&#8217;s more likely that Blizz would slide the odds of the extra rolls to further the value of dailies.</p>
<p>However, I don&#8217;t like the empty feeling of the new roll system. I rarely raid in a premade group anymore, and I miss even the sometimes drama laden loot interactions of the old system, because it also gave people the chance to be charitable, which they often were. I know a lot of people needed on items in order to give them away, suggesting that players crave the power to influence others in MMOs. And I think people are basically good if given the opportunity.</p>
<p>I would really like Blizz to try to implement some kind of feedback or reward system for good LFR raid leaders or players. Something that would encourage helpful, constructive interactions. In regular raiding, there is exhaustive explaining and reminders before pulls. In LFR it&#8217;s typically silence and then the flaming shock after a wipe that not everyone knows what to do. And that&#8217;s on the first week the raid is released.</p>
<p>I must have wiped 15 times on Garalon the first week, over several different days. Many times the pull was initiated without conversation. A few times there was terse and poorly worded instructions, and once with a clearly excellent leader with a novel approach (passing between 2 tanks). I followed that player over 4 or 5 attempts, each time getting closer and closer and that was when I truly learned the fight. We never succeeded, but it was really fun trying. I let him know how much I appreciated his skill and patience. Players like that should be rewarded in the game.</p>
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		<title>By: Torcthaim</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2012/11/15/ow-the-loot-bloomin-loot/comment-page-1/#comment-83447</link>
		<dc:creator>Torcthaim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2012 17:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hadn&#039;t thought of the possiblity that blizzard might plan to increase the drop rates for LFR to help people into newer content more quickly. That&#039;s a great idea, and I hope that&#039;s something they ARE planning.

I like that the new LFR loot system takes away a lot of the loot drama. I WOULD like to see what other people are earning though. Blizzard seems to be saying &quot;we know you don&#039;t give a rip what complete strangers are getting&quot;, but I like knowing that the raid provided some upgrades for people and wasn&#039;t a total wash even when I don&#039;t get loot myself. Maybe Blizz just doesn&#039;t want forum threads about how many items did or didn&#039;t drop on the boss today.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hadn&#8217;t thought of the possiblity that blizzard might plan to increase the drop rates for LFR to help people into newer content more quickly. That&#8217;s a great idea, and I hope that&#8217;s something they ARE planning.</p>
<p>I like that the new LFR loot system takes away a lot of the loot drama. I WOULD like to see what other people are earning though. Blizzard seems to be saying &#8220;we know you don&#8217;t give a rip what complete strangers are getting&#8221;, but I like knowing that the raid provided some upgrades for people and wasn&#8217;t a total wash even when I don&#8217;t get loot myself. Maybe Blizz just doesn&#8217;t want forum threads about how many items did or didn&#8217;t drop on the boss today.</p>
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		<title>By: bigbearbutt</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2012/11/15/ow-the-loot-bloomin-loot/comment-page-1/#comment-83441</link>
		<dc:creator>bigbearbutt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2012 13:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not off in any way.

If other people win loot in your group, it doesn&#039;t bar you from also winning loot. Go back and read what I actually said. The &lt;em&gt;percentages&lt;/em&gt; are based on if you were competing with the quantity of other players for the amount of loot that would normally drop. I never said you actually were competing for a small amount of set loot.

I thought I was pretty clear, especially towards the end, about talking about the positive ramifications of there not being actual loot to haggle over.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not off in any way.</p>
<p>If other people win loot in your group, it doesn&#8217;t bar you from also winning loot. Go back and read what I actually said. The <em>percentages</em> are based on if you were competing with the quantity of other players for the amount of loot that would normally drop. I never said you actually were competing for a small amount of set loot.</p>
<p>I thought I was pretty clear, especially towards the end, about talking about the positive ramifications of there not being actual loot to haggle over.</p>
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		<title>By: Pawzy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pawzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2012 09:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was leery of the new LFR loot at first, but after running it a while, I&#039;ve found it to be quite acceptable.  It has taken away a big part of the stress I used to feel running LFR during Cata.  My main is decked out in lots of LFR winnings and VP gear for my dps spec.  Too bad that I have to raid as a tank until further notice.  Oof.  The only &quot;thing&quot; I&#039;m competing with now is the RNG and I can deal with that much more easily than people swearing at me in whispers for winning a roll.  :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was leery of the new LFR loot at first, but after running it a while, I&#8217;ve found it to be quite acceptable.  It has taken away a big part of the stress I used to feel running LFR during Cata.  My main is decked out in lots of LFR winnings and VP gear for my dps spec.  Too bad that I have to raid as a tank until further notice.  Oof.  The only &#8220;thing&#8221; I&#8217;m competing with now is the RNG and I can deal with that much more easily than people swearing at me in whispers for winning a roll.  :)</p>
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		<title>By: The Godmother</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2012/11/15/ow-the-loot-bloomin-loot/comment-page-1/#comment-83426</link>
		<dc:creator>The Godmother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2012 08:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What this system does do is highlight your &#039;luck&#039; (or perceived lack thereof) by NOT showing you what you could have won (which is the essence of why that guy I wrote about was aiming at I think) Having an item in front of you and losing it could be, for some people, better than never seeing the item at all.

My relationship with the RNG was very healthy last Expansion. Part of me senses Karmic payback is at work this time around ^^]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What this system does do is highlight your &#8216;luck&#8217; (or perceived lack thereof) by NOT showing you what you could have won (which is the essence of why that guy I wrote about was aiming at I think) Having an item in front of you and losing it could be, for some people, better than never seeing the item at all.</p>
<p>My relationship with the RNG was very healthy last Expansion. Part of me senses Karmic payback is at work this time around ^^</p>
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		<title>By: Talarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Talarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2012 06:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You are a bit off in how LFR loot works, BBB. Each player&#039;s roll is completely independent of everyone else&#039;s loot roll. In theory all 25 people could win an item each in a single boss fight, or no one could win something. Basically, every person gets a roll, period. If that roll is a success, you get a random item from the list of items your spec is eligible to receive. There&#039;s no competition from other players, there&#039;s no limit to the number of items a boss can drop beyond a maximum of 1 per roll. It&#039;s a subtle but important distinction, as it&#039;s actually far more favourable than your description of it. See Ghostcrawler&#039;s blog post for more details: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/blog/3954511

As far as luck goes, my Holy Paladin had the mother of all LFR runs last week. Out of 9 bosses, he won 8 items, and using no Elder Charms at all. I was absolutely floored. If I don&#039;t win anything on any of my characters for a month I&#039;ve still come out ahead statistically. It was probably the most exciting day of raiding ever, haha.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are a bit off in how LFR loot works, BBB. Each player&#8217;s roll is completely independent of everyone else&#8217;s loot roll. In theory all 25 people could win an item each in a single boss fight, or no one could win something. Basically, every person gets a roll, period. If that roll is a success, you get a random item from the list of items your spec is eligible to receive. There&#8217;s no competition from other players, there&#8217;s no limit to the number of items a boss can drop beyond a maximum of 1 per roll. It&#8217;s a subtle but important distinction, as it&#8217;s actually far more favourable than your description of it. See Ghostcrawler&#8217;s blog post for more details: <a href="http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/blog/3954511" rel="nofollow">http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/blog/3954511</a></p>
<p>As far as luck goes, my Holy Paladin had the mother of all LFR runs last week. Out of 9 bosses, he won 8 items, and using no Elder Charms at all. I was absolutely floored. If I don&#8217;t win anything on any of my characters for a month I&#8217;ve still come out ahead statistically. It was probably the most exciting day of raiding ever, haha.</p>
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		<title>By: Steak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2012 02:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I swear, for the first time ever, I&#039;m one of the lucky ones and IT&#039;S AWESOME. I&#039;ve gotten T14 legs off of Sha and have only done it 4 times (with no bonus rolls (no such luck on my one successful Galleon run)). I&#039;ve won shoulders (twice, once on a bonus roll), a necklace, a belt, a cloak and a main-hand weapon from MV LFR. I vendored the cloak because I&#039;d already purchased the VP upgrade. We haven&#039;t even gotten to the final LFR raid for this tier, and I&#039;ve already hit the point that I wait to turn in my weekly coin quest until after I&#039;ve run everything so I don&#039;t accidentally cap and lose a free roll or two. I&#039;m just happy that the tokens and sha-touched weapons are starting to drop so I can liberally gamble on loot.

I&#039;m pretty stoked about all of this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I swear, for the first time ever, I&#8217;m one of the lucky ones and IT&#8217;S AWESOME. I&#8217;ve gotten T14 legs off of Sha and have only done it 4 times (with no bonus rolls (no such luck on my one successful Galleon run)). I&#8217;ve won shoulders (twice, once on a bonus roll), a necklace, a belt, a cloak and a main-hand weapon from MV LFR. I vendored the cloak because I&#8217;d already purchased the VP upgrade. We haven&#8217;t even gotten to the final LFR raid for this tier, and I&#8217;ve already hit the point that I wait to turn in my weekly coin quest until after I&#8217;ve run everything so I don&#8217;t accidentally cap and lose a free roll or two. I&#8217;m just happy that the tokens and sha-touched weapons are starting to drop so I can liberally gamble on loot.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m pretty stoked about all of this.</p>
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