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	<title>Comments on: Can We Foretell the Fate of Garrosh?</title>
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		<title>By: Theodoxus</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2012/12/10/can-we-foretell-the-fate-of-garrosh/comment-page-1/#comment-84747</link>
		<dc:creator>Theodoxus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 15:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m really liking where the lore as a whole is going.  With the Klaxxi basically fleshing out the insectoid races of Azeroth and how the ancients are connected with everything, to the Mogu and their transgenetic manipulation of the native species of Pandaria - and how, with the raids, it becomes clear just how - from a certain viewpoint - insane both the Old Gods and the Titans really were/are.

@TyphoonAndrew - I think that&#039;s exactly why the only &quot;bad guys&quot; in the game are corrupted good guys.  Neither the Horde nor Alliance, despite individual attempts (and hundreds of hours of forum posts) are inherently good or evil.  But the Old Gods and their morphic powers certainly are.  The Burning Crusade and it&#039;s corruption inducing fel energies certainly are.  What Azeroth needs badly are Hobbits.  But, without Hobbits and their innate immunity to Corruption, we get humans and orcs - very fallible creatures.  With hubris to match.

I&#039;ve enjoyed these conspiracy theories very much, and they&#039;re all plausible.  Though I have faith that Blizzard can go off into a completely different tangent too, and it&#039;ll make sense.  Where ever it goes, it&#039;ll be fun :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m really liking where the lore as a whole is going.  With the Klaxxi basically fleshing out the insectoid races of Azeroth and how the ancients are connected with everything, to the Mogu and their transgenetic manipulation of the native species of Pandaria &#8211; and how, with the raids, it becomes clear just how &#8211; from a certain viewpoint &#8211; insane both the Old Gods and the Titans really were/are.</p>
<p>@TyphoonAndrew &#8211; I think that&#8217;s exactly why the only &#8220;bad guys&#8221; in the game are corrupted good guys.  Neither the Horde nor Alliance, despite individual attempts (and hundreds of hours of forum posts) are inherently good or evil.  But the Old Gods and their morphic powers certainly are.  The Burning Crusade and it&#8217;s corruption inducing fel energies certainly are.  What Azeroth needs badly are Hobbits.  But, without Hobbits and their innate immunity to Corruption, we get humans and orcs &#8211; very fallible creatures.  With hubris to match.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve enjoyed these conspiracy theories very much, and they&#8217;re all plausible.  Though I have faith that Blizzard can go off into a completely different tangent too, and it&#8217;ll make sense.  Where ever it goes, it&#8217;ll be fun :)</p>
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		<title>By: Ursoc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ursoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 09:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a member of the Horde, as you gain reputation with the Dominance Offensive you unlock quests that send you to go meet the other faction leaders who are doing things in Pandaria. A couple of the quests send you to meet Lor&#039;themar who is leading an archaeological team to research the Mogu and their ancient weapons by order of Garrosh. Garrosh has his eyes set on an item called the Divine Bell that, from what I understand, allowed the Mogu to control the Sha. He&#039;s become obsessed with the power he thinks the Sha can bring to his people and at one point during the quest line he infects some of his Grunts with Sha energy hoping to make them stronger. 

If you&#039;re interested wowhead has a list of all the quests you unlock. You can look through those here: http://www.wowhead.com/news=208687/patch-5-1-operation-shieldwall-and-dominance-offensive-guides#factionquest-horde]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a member of the Horde, as you gain reputation with the Dominance Offensive you unlock quests that send you to go meet the other faction leaders who are doing things in Pandaria. A couple of the quests send you to meet Lor&#8217;themar who is leading an archaeological team to research the Mogu and their ancient weapons by order of Garrosh. Garrosh has his eyes set on an item called the Divine Bell that, from what I understand, allowed the Mogu to control the Sha. He&#8217;s become obsessed with the power he thinks the Sha can bring to his people and at one point during the quest line he infects some of his Grunts with Sha energy hoping to make them stronger. </p>
<p>If you&#8217;re interested wowhead has a list of all the quests you unlock. You can look through those here: <a href="http://www.wowhead.com/news=208687/patch-5-1-operation-shieldwall-and-dominance-offensive-guides#factionquest-horde" rel="nofollow">http://www.wowhead.com/news=208687/patch-5-1-operation-shieldwall-and-dominance-offensive-guides#factionquest-horde</a></p>
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		<title>By: typhoonandrew</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2012/12/10/can-we-foretell-the-fate-of-garrosh/comment-page-1/#comment-84695</link>
		<dc:creator>typhoonandrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 01:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d really like the fight and downfall to be removed from &quot;external corruption&quot; as an excuse for behaviour. Meaning that Garrosh does his questionable and evil things in full awareness, and is not corrupted by anything. Yes, he might use black dragons, or Sha, or demons/warlocks, or whatever - but the choice is his. 

Too many of the old baddies have used the trope of &quot;been corrupted, not their fault&quot; in the past - time is ripe for a bad guy to step up and actually be Bad. A true dark heart. Vanquishing a true bad guy is more fun than a corrupted good guy. Even the Lich King was quasi-heroic, and he was ruling an empire of Undead.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d really like the fight and downfall to be removed from &#8220;external corruption&#8221; as an excuse for behaviour. Meaning that Garrosh does his questionable and evil things in full awareness, and is not corrupted by anything. Yes, he might use black dragons, or Sha, or demons/warlocks, or whatever &#8211; but the choice is his. </p>
<p>Too many of the old baddies have used the trope of &#8220;been corrupted, not their fault&#8221; in the past &#8211; time is ripe for a bad guy to step up and actually be Bad. A true dark heart. Vanquishing a true bad guy is more fun than a corrupted good guy. Even the Lich King was quasi-heroic, and he was ruling an empire of Undead.</p>
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		<title>By: ursiheil</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2012/12/10/can-we-foretell-the-fate-of-garrosh/comment-page-1/#comment-84692</link>
		<dc:creator>ursiheil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 23:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m still holding strong with my theroey that politics are going to be the main downfall, and that not just Garrosh, but King Wrynn are going to go SO far in their hatred for each other that it&#039;s going to shake the political landscape and shake up people&#039;s allegences. King Wrynn is gonna end up dead by the end of the Xpac.

The sha will definately play a potent role, and perhaps will give Garrosh the power needed to defeat the King and go even more so off the deep end... or the sha might merely be a symptom of the problems that the two faction&#039;s war has brought onto the isle of pandaria.

Either way, I still predict that next xpac will have a mechanic in which you may choose to join a nuetral faction, or eventually work your way over and join the other side. Gnome punting for ALL!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m still holding strong with my theroey that politics are going to be the main downfall, and that not just Garrosh, but King Wrynn are going to go SO far in their hatred for each other that it&#8217;s going to shake the political landscape and shake up people&#8217;s allegences. King Wrynn is gonna end up dead by the end of the Xpac.</p>
<p>The sha will definately play a potent role, and perhaps will give Garrosh the power needed to defeat the King and go even more so off the deep end&#8230; or the sha might merely be a symptom of the problems that the two faction&#8217;s war has brought onto the isle of pandaria.</p>
<p>Either way, I still predict that next xpac will have a mechanic in which you may choose to join a nuetral faction, or eventually work your way over and join the other side. Gnome punting for ALL!</p>
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		<title>By: Celendus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Celendus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 22:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I feel like A&#039;dal showing up would be such a massive trump card on the Awesomness scale that they&#039;d hold it in reserve for some sort of final battle against Sargeras.  Garrosh is already in Pandaria; horde players fight with him to clear off the island for their dailies hub.  He even shows up in the Vale, asks &quot;who built this magnificent place&quot;, hears &quot;the Mogu&quot;, and begins scheming.  He&#039;s also got the Reclaimers of Silvermoon digging up Mogu artifacts.

Prediction: He begins building his own cadre of flesh-shaped Mogu-orc super-soldiers, which pisses off most of the orcs (&quot;what, are we not good enough for you now?!&quot;) and horrifies pretty much everyone else.  He hears of this dissent, and has his new guard execute the Kor&#039;kron overnight to prevent a military coup.  He institutes martial law, and the new warlocks plus the artifact poisons everyone who remains in the city.  If they really want to jangle the drama strings, he could kill Thrall when he shows up demanding an explanation.  I&#039;m sure that would get even Sylvannas on board with the coup.

Saurfang for new Overlord, for sure.  Maybe Vol&#039;jin, but I feel like it&#039;s gonna still be an orc.  Nazgrim maybe, but he hasn&#039;t done anything interesting in game since BC.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel like A&#8217;dal showing up would be such a massive trump card on the Awesomness scale that they&#8217;d hold it in reserve for some sort of final battle against Sargeras.  Garrosh is already in Pandaria; horde players fight with him to clear off the island for their dailies hub.  He even shows up in the Vale, asks &#8220;who built this magnificent place&#8221;, hears &#8220;the Mogu&#8221;, and begins scheming.  He&#8217;s also got the Reclaimers of Silvermoon digging up Mogu artifacts.</p>
<p>Prediction: He begins building his own cadre of flesh-shaped Mogu-orc super-soldiers, which pisses off most of the orcs (&#8220;what, are we not good enough for you now?!&#8221;) and horrifies pretty much everyone else.  He hears of this dissent, and has his new guard execute the Kor&#8217;kron overnight to prevent a military coup.  He institutes martial law, and the new warlocks plus the artifact poisons everyone who remains in the city.  If they really want to jangle the drama strings, he could kill Thrall when he shows up demanding an explanation.  I&#8217;m sure that would get even Sylvannas on board with the coup.</p>
<p>Saurfang for new Overlord, for sure.  Maybe Vol&#8217;jin, but I feel like it&#8217;s gonna still be an orc.  Nazgrim maybe, but he hasn&#8217;t done anything interesting in game since BC.</p>
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		<title>By: jstg</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2012/12/10/can-we-foretell-the-fate-of-garrosh/comment-page-1/#comment-84684</link>
		<dc:creator>jstg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 21:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;...trying to pin down citizens and purge them of the Sha.&quot; Stratholme 2.0? haha]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;trying to pin down citizens and purge them of the Sha.&#8221; Stratholme 2.0? haha</p>
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		<title>By: bigbearbutt</title>
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		<dc:creator>bigbearbutt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 21:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I do so love the ideas you&#039;ve written, too. 

as you say, I really can&#039;t wait to see where they go next.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do so love the ideas you&#8217;ve written, too. </p>
<p>as you say, I really can&#8217;t wait to see where they go next.</p>
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		<title>By: bigbearbutt</title>
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		<dc:creator>bigbearbutt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 21:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I did not know that at all... I haven&#039;t heard anyone address who the f Malkorok was since the Jaina Proudmoore novel.

Now I will definitely be reading about what happened in Dagger in the Dark, and thank you VERY much for telling me about it!

I did think a black dragon infestede with Sha would be a bit much so soon after Deathwing, but I couldn&#039;t see where the heck else Malkorok came from to get into Garrosh&#039;s good graces so fast.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did not know that at all&#8230; I haven&#8217;t heard anyone address who the f Malkorok was since the Jaina Proudmoore novel.</p>
<p>Now I will definitely be reading about what happened in Dagger in the Dark, and thank you VERY much for telling me about it!</p>
<p>I did think a black dragon infestede with Sha would be a bit much so soon after Deathwing, but I couldn&#8217;t see where the heck else Malkorok came from to get into Garrosh&#8217;s good graces so fast.</p>
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		<title>By: bigbearbutt</title>
		<link>http://thebigbearbutt.com/2012/12/10/can-we-foretell-the-fate-of-garrosh/comment-page-1/#comment-84679</link>
		<dc:creator>bigbearbutt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 21:19:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oooh, that would be cool!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oooh, that would be cool!</p>
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		<title>By: Xiryc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xiryc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 21:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Have we seen Saurfang since he carried his son out of Icecrown? He has no love for Garrosh, and is respected by pretty much everyone. Man, just saying the words &quot;Warchief Saurfang&quot; got me all excited.

Also, it&#039;s about time A&#039;dal got off his shiny butt and got involved.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have we seen Saurfang since he carried his son out of Icecrown? He has no love for Garrosh, and is respected by pretty much everyone. Man, just saying the words &#8220;Warchief Saurfang&#8221; got me all excited.</p>
<p>Also, it&#8217;s about time A&#8217;dal got off his shiny butt and got involved.</p>
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