Or in other words, random is random.

IMHO it’s not so much a question if LFR is fair or not, it’s the psychological difference of SEEING or NOT SEEING loot. No matter if you got loot in the old system or not, you knew it was there, it was an open roll and you had at least some indication that no one cheated. In the current implementation I always get the feeling that I’m cheated, especially if more than 30 chances for loot go by without anything dropping.

The current system also set’s you up for a disappointment due to the gold-bag. There is absolutely no excitement about opening a bag that contains a ludicrously small amount of money.

You feel even more cheated by the system if something drops that you already have – or absolutely do not want (maybe because the trinket is crap for your style of play…). In the old system you at least could feel good by not rolling – or by rolling and handing it to someone else.

IMHO worst is the problem of SHA touched weapons. So you got this epic reward, and no chance to use it because it does not drop. There should be at least an alternative way (like collecting 50 shards – if you do LFR for 3 months you really have earned it no matter lucky drops). Otherwise the complete quest chain is simply a huge joke of the devs. (note: the 2 ways to get a weapon do not need to get you the same ilvl; the dropped weapon could be a touch higher to make a difference).

There should not go by a week clearing all 5 wings without a usable drop. You should not open 19 bags finding only a predetermined amount of gold. You should see a list of drops after every boss (not necessarily who got it though). You should see how good your own chances are and not have to rely on a hidden roll. And finally – you should not have to rely on a 5% chance to get a Sha touched weapon (at minimum introduce a way to get a 473 lvl blue)!

Rauxis, chosen of cAT

I really love the new loot system, too. What I don’t love is the infrequency of loot that I A. Actually need and not a duplicate; B. No loot at all (which has been the majority of times on the three characters I run through LFRs regularly) or C. Not a means to choose what is needed with any flexibilty and finally D. Weapons and shields….beginning to think these are as rare as hen’s teeth. But perhaps this is what you’re saying, that there aren’t a lot of choices per class per boss. If I don’t win the shield on one boss, I’m done, unless I’ve done 9,897 dailies for enough elder coins.

I was doing similar things to you – killing Lei-Shei multiple times a week and using multiple coins. Depending on how you look at it I was lucky and unlucky. Lucky in the sense that I now have 2 of my sha-touched daggers from about 14 rolls total maybe? But I was lucky in the last two weeks – got the dagger with my last coins and the reruns of the boss. Now unlucky because out of all those rolls the only other thing I have is the belt from Lei-Shei, no luck with the Shoulder or Trinket.

I’m so grateful I have my daggers now because it was a particularly sore point because like BRK I hadn’t managed to get a dagger at all (not that I had the same dedication as you running the heroics) – I was sporting a heroic dagger fully upgraded… and the 450 from arena of annihilation. Couple this with the fact that I was really only wanting the daggers for casual PvP … I’m just glad the second one followed quickly after the first as I’m not sure I would have continued being so dedicated to it… but Lei-Shei will continue getting my coins (although I won’t be rerunning it) mostly for the trinket and shoulder token.

The biggest thing I feel here – exacerbated because of the legendary tie-in – is that particularly for physical dps classes (so hunter included) – so much of our dps is tied into the the weapon dps. And bar feral/windwalker (that is assuming you have an max level scribe that can get motes – it is the reason my DK was my third 90) there isn’t an easily available epic level weapon (outside of seasonal events… I didn’t realise till too late that the christmas tree had been upgraded… rogue’s actually got a couple from seasonal sources that way – I got lucky and snagged 2xHorseman Sabers.. but I don’t like combat – ranged/strength got none)