Being part of a guild forged of friends and family (and their friends and family, etc.) makes for a tight, relaxed atmosphere most of the time. But when it comes time to try to do something together, we barely muster ten people remotely interested in raiding on a good night. Of that, about a third want to make headway in current content and get gear, about a third would rather do something for achievements in previous content, and about a third are just there without any strong goals or desires… it’s rough even trying to please a majority…

We’ve actually downed the first two bosses in heart of Fear as well, we are on Garalon when it comes to the next boss we are working on for progression.

The problem is exactly what you said; drop rates on key items has SUCKED. Aumanra has yet to get any hunter weapon drop from LFR OR normal, so each week we keep hoping Will of the Emperor will have his bow. And we had been short the tanking shield for forever, the shield was a lie,e except yes, it finally dropped on Tuesday, so we have a happy tank. :)

Those are just a few examples, for the most part everything in MSV is shard fodder, but there are those few key items that just make you wanna go grr.

I think the plan I heard was to either hit Heart of Fear hard and heavy on Friday, or to step into Terrace for the first time. Either way, it’ll be fresh and fun.

The question of who sets expectations is a good one.

I think the raid leader sets what the goal for the team is, based on their feel for the general skill level and preparedness, but each player has their own expectations, and the raid leader can set whatever goal they like, if each member of the team doesn’t at least partly share that goal, then the raid as a whole will suffer.

Don’t you think that is part of the officers or leaders job is to set the expecations? They are ones who say we are going to take that hill, or clear that house, or down that boss, and then make decisions accordingly.

Do you have people who still need/want gear from MSV? Would your raid time be better spent learing Vizier or Blade Lord?

This teir has been very different from the previous ones. Normal modes are challenging (at least for my group). We are working on Blade Lord. Our goal was always to clear a teir before the next one comes out, but for the first time I don’t think that’s going to happen. Some of us are frustrated, but like your group, we are sticking it out. Maybe some new shiny gear from 5.2 will help us over the hump.