Ninja story mode ON.
Logged in last night, hoping to see Guild Group 1 finish our Kara of last week. Seems silly to have 1 great day, with zero follow up. On the other hand, well… Thanksgiving!
Now, I was online, WITH the guild officers for the most part, until midnight the night before, running Heroic Slave Pens and chatting on TS.
One MIGHT think that, hey, I played with ’em for hours until midnight, logged in right away next day… must be dialed in to the latest gossip, right?
As Oxhorn might say… ROFLMAO!!!
I log in. I pop into Teamspeak. (Does ANYONE use Blizzards’ built in voice chat? Anyone?) And I say “Hey guys, we finishing Kara tonight?”
And I get told that we’d see, our Raid Leader was talking to another guild about the Kara hax this weekend.
Ummm…. WTF you say?
And I hear… “Oh, hadn’t you heard?”
I swear… makes me want to slap the stupid out of people, sometimes. “No, I hadn’t heard. [sarcasm on] Apparently it wasn’t a topic of conversation for the two hours we farted around together last night in Slave Pens. So, like… can you tell me WTF is going on?”
Nutshell: Group 2 went into Kara last week. They went in several times, and by Saturday evening they had successfully cleared up to and INCLUDING Curator. They kicked ass and did a fine job.
Now, Group 2 is 100% guild member based, and last week three hardcore members of Group 1 ran with them to help out on the pulls and organization. In one case, there was a substitution within the guild when one person couldn’t go. So apparently there was a total of 11 guild members that had been in Kara Group 2 clearing bosses through Saturday night. The three of them from Group 1 were Levi, Guild Raid Leader Jops and Jayboi.
Well, Sunday night rolls around, and they go in to take down Illhoof. And there is a pile of skeletons in and just outside of Illhoof’s room. The group goes on to down Illhoof, after several shots at him, and the victory tastes sweet for them. And guess what? The tanking cloak that both I and Jops had wanted from Illhoof drops… but I’m not there, and Jops likes the new Badge cloak he bought better now. So sharded it goes.
On Group 2 treks, deeper into Kara. They have never gone this far, and finally they have the ‘free epics’ of Chess to look forward to. A nice little “Oooh, you made it this far, time for fun” interlude prior to Prince.
Except… the Chess event is already over. It’s already been completed, and looted.
According to Jops, the way it breaks down is, one of the guys that had been in Kara last week in Group 2 decided to ‘share the Raid ID’ with another Guild, Green Dragonflight on Kael’thas… and the other guild attempted Illhoof and failed several times, before going on and doing Chess and looting the box.
My first thought was, “How the hell can that even happen?”
Well, it turns out to be fairly obvious… in hindsight.
When a group of folks enters the Karazhan instance, a Raid ID# is generated, and everyone currently in that group gets that ID# tagged to them. They are now ‘saved to instance’, and cannot go into Karazhan with any other group of folks that have been in already that week… cause their ID#s won’t match.
However, if someone has NOT been in Karazhan that week yet, they are free to come on in… and if they come in as part of the same group as the person that already has a Raid ID#… they all get assigned that Raid ID# also.
Now, you can see how it’s this way so that a Guild can swap people in and out of Karazhan groups based on what skills or abilities are needed for a specific fight, or based on needing a replacement for a single player who can’t make it one particular night. A guild might end up with 13 or 14 different characters that have all been involved in a single weeks’ Karazhan run.
The big hullabaloo about Tuesdays, is that it is the night the Raid ID#s are ‘reset’ for the entire server. Everyone’s number is wiped clean… and people can mix and match new combos of folks into runs, and the instances themselves are all fresh and new again and ready for looting.
It was my previous understanding that you could go into Karazhan with a group and clear ‘trash’ without having a Raid ID# set… that you were not officially ‘saved to an instance’ with a Raid ID# until a boss was downed.
In practise, I have found that just being in Karazhan and clearing trash HAS saved me to a Raid ID#. There have been occasions where I was tanking for Group 2, and we had not downed a boss yet… and Group 1 needed me to off tank… and I could not enter their instance as part of their group. So at what point exactly you become ‘saved to instance’ is still a bit unclear to me.
Where my assumptions got rocked, was that I had assumed there was some kind of threshold… that you needed a certain ratio of ‘saved’ raid ID#s in a group before you could add new people in. As I said, it was a partially formed assumption… the idea I had was that you needed, say, at least half the group be people that had already been saved to the instance in order to be able to add more folks in.
The reality is, all you need in a group is one person with a saved Raid ID from a partially complete run. And that one person, as soon as a party enters Karazhan, has just ‘shared the Raid ID’ with the rest of the group.
So someone from the successful Group 2 raid had, while still in the guild, gone to Green Dragonflight on our server, and got some of them to group with him to attempt the higher end content that Group 2 had cleared to. They attempted Illhoof, and sucked so bad they wiped multiple times trying to clear it…. but their skills were up for doing the Chess event. The fun, no stress, ‘easy epics’ event. And they did it.
Now, what guild was involved is well known and confirmed. That is the only reason I am posting the name. Our Raid Leader spoke directly to the GM of Green Dragonflight about this, in an attempt to find out exactly which one of our Group 2 members was the ‘traitor’. The GM of Green Dragonflight did not deny it happened, in fact the GM even brought the traitor directly into the conversation. A player in Green Dragonflight named Kaziral directly admitted to our Raid Leader Jops that it was HIS main in Legatum Ignavis that had been in Group 2 and ‘leaked’ the Raid ID# to his buddies in Green Dragonflight. But he refused to name what his Legatum character name was… the secondhand quote I heard, was that he told Jops… “I’m not gonna tell you my mains’ name… if you can figure it out, go for it. I’m not worried.”
Now, researching this kind of thing this morning, it surprises me how often this seems to be happening out there. It just blows my mind that an activity I think is clearly cheating, is so prevalent. I know that to get loot a raid still needs to down a boss… but the Chess event is so easy that I really think you could make a reasonable claim that it is ninja looting to let someone else make the progression to that point, and then swoop in, clear a few trash pulls, and do the Chess event for the loot.
What really stuns me is that there are that many people in a guild that, if approached about doing this, would say “Sure! Let’s go!”
If you assume the coldest scenario, then a member of Green Dragonflight said to his buddies, “Hey we cleared Kara past Curator in my mains’ guild. You guys wanna go into Karazhan and see if we can clear Illhoof and Chess?” and at least a few other guys said “Sure!”.
Personally, I would prefer to imagine that the person is really pissed at some interpersonal dynamic within Legatum, and approached his good friends in Green Dragonflight and told them, “Hey, those jerks have done this, this and this to me… it’s totally unfair and BS… can you help me teach them a lesson by going into Kara on their Raid ID# and snagging Chess loot?”
It wouldn’t be right, but at least it wouldn’t be a cold hearted and soulless betrayal of people who trusted you, for no other reason than boredom.
As far as I know, the only thing we as a guild want to see happen out of this is the identification and removal of the traitor from within our ranks. Jops had even stated he was not originally planning on kicking the person from the guild… he wanted to know who it was to talk to them… let them know that, if it was an accident and he thought it was safe to enter Karazhan with another guild, that it was not appropriate guild behavior, and doing it again would result in a /gkick.
But now, after personally speaking with Kaziral, it’s pretty clear… we want to know who this guys’ main is, and boot his butt out.
Sadly, Blizzard has not shown any interest in helping. A long chat with a Blizzard GM yesterday resulted in that GM stating that they would not reveal who was in the group with Green Dragonflight from our guild sharing the ID#. So we seem to be blocked from doing more than either dropping he issue, or starting some kind of ‘witch hunt’ that would cause divisiveness and drama, and only succeed in putting a big smile on the corpse of McCarthy.
I find myself saddened that there are really that many… asshats, for lack of a better term, that would do this kind of thing. I mean, it’s not like anyone is sitting here wailing and nashing teeth over lost epics, or crying ‘ninja’!. If there are really that many people wanting to screw over others, well, they have to live with themselves, I certainly don’t. They inconvenienced members of our guild for a few days. They have to live with being asshats for their entire lives… Sucks to be you. I win.
And I’m not alone in not getting too worked up about the whole thing. As Clint Eastwood said in one of the greatest Corps movies of all time… (even if it does co-star a rocked out Mario van Peebles).. Don’t give the prick the satisfaction… sir.
I wish I could find a resource that would let me look up all the names of a players’ characters on one account… find out who Kaziral’s other alts are, get it over and done with. But barring that… there will always be that little uncertainty now, wondering which one it might have been.
The whole thing just saddens me greatly. Why would anyone want to have that kind of reputation? Is having a couple pieces of epics and a couple Badges of Honor really worth the drama and reputation? Or if you did it for some kind of ultra-cowardly version of revenge, a stealth revenge, did it feel as good as you hoped? And what about all the people who were once IN that guild? There are only so many players on any server… and only so many end-game guilds. A fair number of damn good folks are ex-members of Green Dragonflight… and I doubt if any of them would appreciate having a reputation of having once been in a guild of ninjas… I just find it hard to believe that an entire guild was ‘in on it’… but on the other hand, some of them certainly, self-admittedly, were. And enough of them were to attempt Illhoof, so it wasn’t just two or three guys doing Chess event.
Just blows my feeble little mind.