This blog needs an enema!

Anyone who never saw the movie “Batman” with Jack Nicholson just went “Ewwwww.”

I wrote the last post just before bed, moments after announcing in the guild forums of Sidhe Devils, the guild that Cassie and I led for the last several years, that Cassie and I are closing the doors on Sidhe Devils permanently.

Sidhe Devils is done. Rather than turn over leadership to someone else, we’re going to close the doors and ask folks to move on to more active, vibrant, forward looking guilds. We’re going to liquidate the bank, mail out the gold to the players that are left, and bid everyone a very fond farewell.

I’ve always tried to be open and honest here on the blog about the issues of the day and what’s been on my mind. But when things are really down, and involves the feelings of friends, I tend to avoid the subject. It’s fine to talk about how I feel, it’s not okay in my book to hurt the feelings of other people.

So, I don’t talk about some things.

Here on the blog, the elephant in the room that I’ve been stepping around was where Sidhe Devils was at as a guild.

A lot of stuff happened months back. While it may seem to have come out of nowhere, from our point of view it had been building up for a long, long time.

I’m still not going to point fingers, or place blame, or try and defend anything that happened by anyone. Other people can put spin control on whatever they want; what happened, happened. Where it went from there was the personal decision made by each individual person, and everyone had their own reasons for wanting to make a change.

There, did that vague things up enough for you?

For us, everything started when Cassie and I left a guild that was very big, very successful, had some really good people in it that we loved, a guild that had just made the move to go from casual on the way to becoming a progressive raiding guild. 

We did that because we wanted more time for ourselves; more time to be able to step away from the game on our own terms, more time to spend with our son and enjoy the summer, more time to be flexible and make the game revolve around our lives, instead of having our lives revolve around the schedule of the game.

We stepped away from Legatum Ignavis, with no hard feelings on my part, and whenever we’ve talked about them here on the blog since, it’s been with respect because they were a great group of folks. But they weren’t right for us.

When we left, we simply moved our characters into the handiest place that we had available; our alt guild. Sidhe Devils.

Never more than a place for the alts of 5 or 6 people to hang out on those most rare of occasions when people weren’t on their mains, we just moved on in and set up shop and decided, “Why go somewhere else?”

The whole point was to make the game move around our real life. If we wanted to do something, we’d just pug it, or only do things that we could do with our friends. And if we weren’t on, even for weeks at a time, nobody else would ever miss us.

Well, you know where things went from there. Over time, I talked about hanging out in the guild on the blog, looked at inviting a few folks here and there that said it sounded like just the place for them, and in time we set our goals down on a charter and invited any other souls of like mind and intent to come join us and chill out.

Chill out in a place that, and you’re SURE you understand this, we’re not going to raid. That’s not the point of the guild. You SURE you’re good with that? You’re not going to get bored? Okay.

Where we went wrong was in becoming guild leaders.

We never intended to raid. We never wanted to organize anything more strenuous than a 5 person Heroic with anyone that happened to be on.

We wanted, right from the beginning, to always put real life first, and that included being able to do our own thing on our own schedule and work playtime in WoW in around the rest of our life. To be gone for three weeks with no worries, because it’s no big deal. Just like every other player takes for granted.

What is significant about this is that in order to be a guild leader, at least one that takes the responsibility seriously, it does become a full time job.

The most critical part of being guild leaders we hadn’t anticipated was how a guild leader is expected to be online in the game as much as possible.

Notice I don’t say it’s demanded. But it IS expected.

And if a guild leader or officer doesn’t show up for a day or two, the person WILL hear about it from someone. Who will really hear about it, if there are multiple officers, is the guild leader.

“Oh, I was looking for an officer to invite my alt, and nobody was on for two days.”

Oh, was that two WHOLE days that I wasn’t on all night? Oh my!

It’s very easy to lose yourself in running a guild.

As the guild grows, as numbers increase, the amount of time spent trying to do the things you think should be done to keep things running smoothly grows with it.

Spending time actually in game to be available for whispers, questions, etc is the largest part of it, but replying to requests to organize events and activities also gets up there.

It doesn’t all happen at once, but running a guild, which may seem like no big deal at first, does get to be an incredibly time consuming process.

After a while, and Cassie being the clearer-minded of the two of us noticed it first, we realised that we’d gotten ourselves into a big commitment to the game. The guild was running, and was full of people we considered friends, and we had assumed the responsibility of keeping on as we were. But in doing it, we had lost a lot of ground in making real life our priority.

We weren’t just on as much as we had been in Legatum… we were on far more often and had much more of our lives wrapped around WoW instead of the reverse.

The answer, to us, seemed pretty obvious. We had to break up the non-critical tasks of being guild leaders, the parts that did not have anything to do with inviting, removing or censoring other players in the guild, and find people who were within the guild that were willing to take some of them on. Every task that was taken off our shoulders and spread around would help.

It wouldn’t address the fact that we felt an obligation to be online and available, but it would help us have fewer line items to worry about. 

Sounds like a plan, right?

Time after time, we asked for help.

The responses we got were what you might expect. Some people volunteered fast for the items that would take the least time and effort, others volunteered to organise and run raiding because that’s what they loved, still others volunteered to do lots of stuff to help, and finally we had people volunteer to take over things we didn’t ask help with in the first place, demanding to be made officers because they knew so much more than we did on how to do it right.

Yeah, I know.

Well, we did what we could. We ignored the people that wanted to help by taking over what we didn’t ask help with in the first place, and we gratefully thanked everyone else and got things underway.

Frequently, some of the people that said they’d help we never heard from again. Others, especially the ones that took over raiding, really ran with that ball. A lot.

So, some things just didn’t get done at all when people said they’d take care of it, leaving us with extra work trying to figure out what was going on and get it back going again, long after things should have been handled. And on the raiding side, suddenly raiding became a big go go go deal, and since it was the only activity that WAS getting serious attention, it became the focus of the guild.

And of course there was our annoyance with people in the guild that kept pushing about wanting to take over, or gave unasked for and unwanted advice on how we were doing things wrong, people who wouldn’t step in to help on things we actually ASKED for help with.

The net result of our effort was that we had more work to do than ever before, and people that were running raiding didn’t see why the ever increasing frequency of scheduled raids or the hours committed to it was a problem. But these are friends, and it’s best to just let it go, rather than say something, right?

It all came to a head with us during the Raid for the Cure.

When I suggested it on the guild forums, there was a definite dividing line over the event. There was a small group of people that ran with the idea and took it to heart, and worked to make it happen. These were the people that normally took part in lots of various social guild events.

And then there were the people that couldn’t even be bothered to respond to the thread, let alone take any part in the event, or even show up for it. Sorry guys, have to miss it. Just like every other social event. Oooh, but schedule a raid, and they were all over that.

That right there spelled the end of our pretending that the guild was what we thought it was. We clearly had people that wanted to raid and couldn’t care less about the rest of it. And they were welcome to be that way… but somewhere else, because that’s not what the guild we wanted to run was all about.

From there, it all pretty much fell apart by the numbers. Cassie and I wanted nothing to do with running a raiding guild with people like that in it, but when we tried to leave, said we were leaving, and made it public, we were reminded that there were a lot of people that said that it was the social part of the guild they liked and wanted us specifically to stay.

We had two guilds in one, two different approaches to playing the game, and something had to break.

Well, we broke it.

We changed everything, announcing we were staying in the guild after all, went back on our plans, yanking the band aid right off the wound, and among a host of other things aimed at returning to the roots of the guild that everyone was told when they joined, announced the immediate shutting down of raiding until we got things sorted out.

Yep. That did it. We’d succeeded in one thing; we had a lot less people in the guild to worry about.

People took off in droves. In floods. They started a new guild, got it set up the way they liked, and founded a new home for the members of Sidhe Devils to go to when they were fed up with our messing around.

We know that the vast majority of the problems are our fault. It is what it is because of how we handled it, and the way we handled things was at all times being driven by our desire to find a way back to having fun, and being free to devote much less of our lives to the game.

Our underlying goal had become centered on one thing; to be able to have the exact same rights in playing that every other player enjoyed and expected. To be able to take a few weeks or months off if we felt like it or had better things to do for a while.

Every other player takes for granted that they can leave if they want, to go on break, to relax for a while. When you’re responsible only for yourself, it’s fine. When everyone else counts on you, and has expectations OF you, it’s a far different matter.

Cassie and I have talked about it a lot. And what we decided was that we needed to learn a serious lesson from this. We needed to take this experience to heart.

We never wanted to be guild leaders in the first place. We never wanted to be in charge of anything other than ourselves. We never wanted to forge a raiding guild, or a social guild, or any other kind of place.

But once we set ourselves up as the people who invited others in, we assumed the responsibility and the duty of making the place in reality what we said it was, the best we could.

In the end, our struggles, our mistakes brought everything crashing down.

Lesson learned.

Cassie and I have returned to our center. The game moves around our real life, our family, and especially with the start of summer, we’re not going to be on nearly as much. It isn’t our focus. It never should have been, and once we figured out that’s what it was, we fought against it every step of the way.

With that in mind, last night we made the final decision. It’s not fair to people to be part of a guild where they think that it may someday grow, it may turn around, it may get lively and vibrant and full of life once again, when the leaders have no intention of putting in the time and effort necessary to make that happen.

It takes more than two people, however well intentioned, to build a community. It takes everyone wanting to chip in and help make it happen.

So, that’s why we announced the guild will be closing up.

It’s not how we wanted things to work out, but it’s real life. Things happen, and you deal with it. We did a lot of things, made a lot of decisions, and every time we did the one goal we had to base them on was, “Will this help make the guild a friendlier, happier place for the majority of people who lay in it?”

Sometimes when we asked that question of ourselves, the answer was to ask someone to leave the guild. Sometimes, when we asked that question, the answer was to try and cut back on raiding, or on more advanced progression, or on the frequency of events. Sometimes, our answer was to try and ADD events.

The one question we never asked was, “If we left the guild, will it make the guild a friendlier, happier place for those that are left?”

I think maybe we should have. Things might have turned out much differently.

We could still turn the guild over to someone else, but at this point, it has been such a central part of our lives, we’ve spent so much time worrying about it, and blogging about it, that we’d much rather let it go quiet. To slip once more into the peaceful slumber from which it once came.

Hopefully, Sidhe Devils will remain something that Cassie and I can both look back on and remember with fondness as a place filled with fun, with good people, and good cheer. We’d like to remember it as we thought it was, and for the wonderful things some of it’s members pulled together to do.

As with any big change, it’s been hard. And there are a ton of hard feelings over it all, I’m sure.

But we really do think that, no matter how rough it was to get to this point, it’s for the best.

Comments closed. I’m just not interested in having every person I ever removed from the guild come back  here now to choose this as their venue for talking about it. You never bothered to say shit to me in person or via email, or if you did I told you exactly what my reasons were, and you had ample opportunity to say something then, or in the many months since. Deciding to do it now when the whole point on my post was to get closure and move on just says “ooh, I still want more drama”, and that ain’t happening in this way, in this place. Email me like an adult, or talk about it on your blog with your own spin on it, whatever.

Geez, grow up. Look, if you have all sorts of things you really just HAVE to tell me about what a horrible person you are just SURE I am… email me like an adult. Open a dialogue. Act like you are both serious about wanting to discuss my behavior with me, and like you actually care. Posting it here in a public venue as your first and only choice just says that you don’t want to talk to ME, you want to talk to visiters of my blog about me, in some passive aggressive immature little way. Give it a rest, or grow up and email me. Or what the hell, go the rest of teh way and make it a diatribe on your blog, so you get your spin in and get all your fanboys and fangirls behind you. That’ll teach that mean old Bear a lesson! PS… since I’m not talking about any names here, I ain’t making this drama. I’m making it clear; if you have an honest problem that you want resolution for, email me. I am always available at the exact same place I have been for years and years and years.

35 thoughts on “This blog needs an enema!

  1. BBB, I’m a long time reader (2 years, since I started bear tanking) and haven’t ever posted on your site, but Congrats on letting go of your burden.

    I’ve quit wow a few times because of burnout, losing steam, etc, but have always managed to find my way back. I enjoy reading your blog and hope that you continue writing.

    Thanks BBB


  2. Here’s hoping you’ll still drop us a line from time to time to fill us in on the workings of the Butt.

    First time commenting here, and from a fellow Minnesotan Beardrood, here’s hoping you find what you’re looking for.

    (Even though it’ll be sad to see you go. /cry)


  3. My first guild went through something very much like this. I remember very well the last night of the guild’s existence. The guild leader had been called up to Iraq and his wife was left with all the work. Someone in the guild tried to ‘help” and began dragging the guild in the direction he wanted it to go. The guild leader /gkicked him from Iraq then a few minutes later said that he and his wife were going to dissolve the guild. There was a passing out of goods from the vault and two new guilds arose from the old one. I was in both of the new guilds for a time but eventually I left the server all together, moving to the server my sons had chosen. I left an alt on the old server and run some holiday events with a few of my old friends. Strangely enough WoW turned out to be a lot like Real Life, imagine that. Congratulations on your choice Bear, all the best to you and yours.


  4. When you have something in your life that is just not quite right, it can fester and bleed over into so many other areas until its affecting your entire life. Congrats BBB on doing whats right for you and your family.


  5. OH BOY!

    Your experience just goes to show the very same lesson that slammed me in the head within the last few months. That is, for every person you add to your guild, you gain another set of opinions, feelings, problems. As a guild leader myself, I so much desire to be the guy that just “chills” in the corner and does whatever, but you never get that opportunity. What amazes me more than anything is how few people are actually willing to lead anything and yet they look to you to solve their problems… that is… provide them raid, provide them activities, provide them entertainment where they aren’t willing to assist.

    I think the key to stay “disconnected” is staying away from guild managerial roles. Just be a guy that logs in occasionally and does whatever. Otherwise, you are stuck.
    .-= jtrack´s last blog ..You Wanna Join My Guild =-.


  6. Whether you play WoW as much or post WoW related information just keep posting. I for one just enjoy reading the information avalanche that rolls out of your head. I look forward to every new post.


  7. Congratulations to you and Cassie for your decision, which sounds like the right move. I admire you both for your priorities and how you’re committed to them.


  8. I’m really glad to hear about this. It must be such a huge weight off both of your shoulders. I had a very similar experience with a very active roleplay guild I ran for half of a year. I found myself spending more and more time online to deal with guild responsibilities, it slowly began to feel like a chore instead of a game, and I realized it had become an issue when I actually turned down a date with a guy I had had my eye on for a long time to deal with guild drama. My brain went “OMFG you did NOT just do that!” and then I promptly passed over leadership to my second in command on the following day, after which I took a good four month break from WoW altogether. Recent I started playing again and transferred my only level 80 to the best roleplay realm I could find, and I never plan on taking on any sort of guild leadership again. Nevah evah! So, I know how you feel, and congrats. Achievement Unlocked: Catharsis


  9. Yup, it wouldn’t be the same if SD’s went off in another direction with other leadership.
    As I told you in guild chat today BBB, SD’s was never a group of friends for me, it was/is family. And like my RL family, as much as we squabble & bitch & moan & fight & laugh & cry together, at the end of the day, or ten years down the track after not seeing each other, we’re family & you can’t take that back.
    Even if you want to dis-own some individuals you just can’t.
    Divorce, sure, but then you’ve got in-laws & out-laws and distant cousins… still family.
    Don’t know about you and the military buddies, BBB, but friends don’t work that way for me… family does.
    To all the SD’s out there past & present /hugs always.


  10. I read you blog a lot BBB, its the first place I ended up when trying to gear my bear tank for heroics. Now I cannot get enough!!! Need moar bearwalls!!


  11. BBB & Cassie-I’m glad you guys are following the course you have deemed best for your family. In the end that’s the only thing that truly matters. For my part many of my fondest WoW memories took place while we were in the Sidhe Devils and I’m glad that experience was able to happen.

    Wishing you guys the very best in every endeavor.
    .-= Wulfa´s last blog ..Random =-.


  12. BBB – As with anything in life, you have to know in your heart why you do something. But just because you think your reason is xyz at one point it time, that doesn’t mean it can’t change later. As time passes, your life will change and your priorities will change. And if you don’t adjust your life activities to have them match your priorities, then you will be unhappy. WoW is no exception to this. By closing the guild, you have chosen how to make your activities match your priorities, and there is no shame in that. Good for you for making a hard decision because it is best for you and your family. Real life > WoW. Always.

    Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this difficult decision with us… people you’ve never met in many cases. Clearly, this post resonates with many, myself included as a raid leader and guild officer with 2 very young children….


  13. Good one. I’ve always loved your approach to the game. I’ve recently done the same thing, all of my toons are now unguilded. I don’t have a guild, I’m not looking for a guild, I just want to play in the way that suits me now.


  14. Good move to both of you. Like others said before me, its a game, and games are suppose to be fun.

    Enjoy your free time as a family!


  15. I can understand where you are coming from. Last year, I took over a guild that was small and very casual. Over the summer, the guild exploded and became bigger than I anticipated. I have always been a casual player but wanted to raid too so the explosion helped to get me into raiding. We were running raids a few times a week and wow it was alot of work. We then lost some people due to us just doing 10man raiding and people wanted to get into 25man raiding. I took it a little personally but it ended up working out. I have a busy life and I didn’t want my life to revolve around a game. I scaled back raiding even more and the people who liked the social atmosphere of our guild stuck around.

    Nowadays, we raid only twice a week on Thurs and Fridays. People can sign up and come or they don’t. If we don’t have enough people to run a raid, we PUG. We have had a few not so good players PUG with us but mostly it has been a positive experience. Many of the PUGs that have come on our raids continue to raid with us on a weekly basis. We have built a network of friends who we call on when we need some spots filled. I have a few people who I have promoted to officers to run our raids if I don’t feel like playing. All I do is leave a message on the forums saying I will be gone for the night. It works out for us. When people join the guild (I recruit our PUGs) I make it clear that it is a social guild that raids. Most of our members are 20 – 40 and have families and jobs. It is okay that you can’t make it to a raid. It is okay if you have never raiding before we can teach you. We make do with what we have. We have a ton of fun and if someone is looking for more progression, I have a hardcore raiding guild that I funnel them into. (It helps one of our long time officers runs a hardcore raiding guild. He knows anyone I send his way is cool.)

    Many of the people that join our guild share our philosophy and we just have a good time.

    If you are still looking for a guild and wouldn’t mind a server transfer to a PVP realm. Look us up!


  16. I understand some of what you are going through and went through. I was put in the position to create a new guild with the people that did not want how another one was run. The end was a lot better because we built something pretty strong and great… a casual raiding guild where people’s lives are the important thing and not in game goals. Recently we took an influx of more serious raiders and our casual raiding is getting less casual but the officers and I are trying to settle things down and in place. It has been working but not without the freak out of some. It seems that people are quick to point flaws but not to pitch in and fill in the gaps that any growths brings into a guild fabric.

    My wife does not get involved in running the guild at all, and I think that helps out a lot because she keeps me sane and has none of the “expected” (very well put btw) responsibility that comes along with the guild. Being a guild master is only understood by others running guilds, like being a moderator in a forum it is a thankless job.


  17. I just wanted to drop in and say “Bravo” to you. I just discovered your blog, but I absolutely recognise my husband and myself in what you’ve said. We helped run a raid guild, watched it take over our lives, and finally burned us out so badly that we quit WoW entirely for two years. We just returned in February with the vow to not let it take over our lives and, let me assure you, it really can be done. Have fun, have a small group of friends to run instances with, and play on your own terms. It’s been working for us and we’ve been having more fun over the last few months than we did in Vanilla WoW and BC when we were being l33t raiders.

    Good luck, and find your equilibrium — it’s out there.


  18. As I said before you’d have to kick me out of the guild I wasn’t leaving 😛 I did the raiding guild and am just happy to be part of your guild ( and I’m NOT sorry you stopped raiding ) Cal has given up on playing alliance and took his toons out ( he’s horde all the way and thinking of giving up the game completely 😦 ) I’m sorry to see you go but I understand it. Please don’t quit blogging I’d really miss it 🙂


  19. I think the timing is great. A friend of mine that led a heavy RP/raiding guild just did the exact same thing. Well, almost. She handed the reins over to another and took all her toons out of the guild. She still plays on the server, but has nothing to do with the guild. She is about 650 pounds lighter, or so it feels. Now she is just going to have fun.


  20. The best thing, if you’re going to put RL first, would be to keep a guild only to alts or join a casual guild someone else runs. Once a guild starts growing, people look to you for more and more and it can impact your time spent playing, but you’ve found that out for yourselves. It is hard to let go of something you put so much time into. I wish you guys the best of luck.
    .-= kaozz´s last blog ..Happens All The Time =-.


  21. /agree dorgol

    My toons on alt servers are all unguilded (unless someone tossed me coins for a charter sig and left me in afterward, good moneymaker bytheway)

    I remember how bloody hard it was to give up leadership of the guild i managed for a year, I gave it back to the previous leader who eventually killed it off totally as well. It is such a relief when you give up the work, to sit back and enjoy again.

    Going along with Dorgol’s comment, should you want to dissappear into the ether on another server/toon/ect. You could always come join us on Kul’Tiras, I’d slip you into our guild without any of them knowing who you really are. They don’t give me any grief about my infrequent playtimes/inability to schedule/join events. If they see me on, they say hi, we run as a group if we want to, we leave when we want to.
    .-= Kattrinsaa´s last blog ..Save a healer, hug a tree. =-.


  22. I think you did the right thing. I run a guild now, but it was only after seeing the meltdown that happened to the couple who ran the previous guild I was in. I learned a lot from their mistakes and it was heartwrenching to see them go through with it because I considered them my friends, but in the end it was for the best.

    My own guild now was founded with several limitations in place, among them the assertion that we will not grow and do 25-man raids (we are a 10-man only raid guild), and I actually do disappear for two, sometimes even three, days without logging in and people are still playing, nothing has blown up. I have no officers, but nearly everyone is free to invite and their judgement has been good. The rules are posted in our forums and I stick by them. So far they’ve worked for me. But I wouldn’t have them if I hadn’t already know the pitfalls I wanted to avoid.

    You learn, and you do what’s best. I don’t think anyone can fault you for that.
    .-= Hana´s last blog ..[Druid] Solar Beam?! =-.


  23. Good for you. It’s a game. It’s supposed to be fun. If any part isn’t fun, then it’s time to do something different and that includes quitting the game if need be. Enjoy yourselves – You’ve both earned it.

    PS – recognized the quote – dates me a bit but that movie is one of my favorites just because of the dearth of competent superhero movies when it first came out.


  24. Glad, I was there at the beginning (remember when having enough bunnies was a big concern?!). Sorry I won’t be there for the end.


  25. Personally, I think if it were me I would take this opportunity to vanish. You already changed factions, go the full route and assume new character names, races, sex, everything. Disappear into the croud of 12 million worldwide players.

    My Mage is unguilded and uncaring. He is also my only Horde-side character. If I want to blow stuff up without even having the OPTION of chatting with friends, I have him. I also have a warrior on a different server from my main characters. He is guilded (and even an officer due to the knowledge 5+ years of WoW gives me), but I have zero responsibilities and zero “friends” – merely aquaintences.

    So go. Vanish into the realm of anonymity. Join a guild if you like the green text. Create your own guild if you don’t. Stay unguilded just for the freedom it provides. But get the hell away from any form of “leadership”.


  26. I did go “ewwww”. Yes I did.

    As Sarabian and Fangtastic have said–congratulations on making a decision that is good for you. Enjoy your summer. Enjoy your time with Alex. And enjoy WoW for what you’ve now found in it; a place to have some fun. 🙂


  27. I can’t say I didn’t see this coming. It’s sad really, because you two built a great guild and a great home in a game which had lost quite a bit of it’s luster. If it hadn’t been for joining Sidhe Devils, I would most likely have left the game entirely. SD was a great place for people to log in and be social and play however they wanted to play. I will — and already do — miss SD, but It obviously was time for you to hang up the Guild Leader hats you two were wearing. I wish you all the best in all that you do.

    John and Cassie, you’re great people, and I don’t think you should ever forget it. No matter what hard feelings there are(even from me), know that you are doing the right thing for everyone involved, especially your Family, and that’s what matters most.
    .-= Maerdred´s last blog ..The one with the UI. =-.


  28. There’s nothing quite as difficult as managing people who you only know & interact with through the internet. It sounds like you’ve reached the best conclusion though BBB, and really you should never ever feel bad for seeking what you want, whether it be in a game, job, whatever. I’m sure the people who know and relate to you in Sidhe will understand your reasons, and the people who didn’t get what you were trying to achieve…well, they’ll be too busy raiding to notice anyways. But bravo on making right decision for you and your family, I hope the great Sidhe memories remain more vivid than the stressful ones!
    .-= Rades´s last blog ..Buying the Sparkle Pony is buying gold =-.


  29. Heya Bear, it’s Resurgum/Sinvida/Ulfhednar =P

    You guys created a great guild to hang out in. That’s all I was looking for. I dropped off the map as my little one got older but I really enjoyed my time with SD. Don’t ever look back at the bad stuff. Everyone in SD should have known it was NEVER about the raiding or the mass-chain Heroics. It was always about hearing the crazy accents in Vent and seeing all the funnies in that green text in my bottom left hand corner of the screen while we all did our dailies or just sat around Dal contemplating plummetting off the landing pad with our mammoths.

    Thanks for the fun times!

    PS – /hugs


  30. Reading that post, it starts to feel near the end that you’re more relaxed now that you’ve decided and are getting closure. 🙂

    Enjoy the summer, enjoy your lives, enjoy WoW (but on your terms) – it is only entertainment, silly to let it become a source of stress but yes, reading that its clear how it snuck up on you two. Glad you have it sorted out now, you should always be able to quit at the drop of a hat. I know nothing kills WOW’s wow-factor for more faster than feeling I-have-to-be-on-at-this-time-to-do-this-no-matter-what. It becomes work then, not an escape.

    I agree with Sarabian, Congratulations.



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